I have the same problem, which is one of many reasons I play on the 360 :hubbahubba:

I think the last time I used a console command for cheating was.... the original Warcraft back in the day. Cheating is part of youth, until you realize you are only robbing yourself of quality experiences. Damn I am getting old.

Features should not be withheld to prevent people from being "tempted" if they lack self control. There's nothing wrong with ini options to disable the console and such, though. I've played games such as TIE Fighter where an invulnerability toggle is right in the options menu. Did that affect my ability to play the game normally? Nope!

Using the console is nothing like a cheat code. It takes so much effort to track done codes and specific item numbers, that any "toggle" would not be a deterrent. To use a console to give me a magic ring require a lot of effort on my part in reading the TES wiki, which means any option to disable it at the menu is just an extra button to push.

You are suppose to feel bored after ruining the game for yourself by using console to break the game. That's part of the learning experience. That's how all of us learned self control; by making mistakes and learn to not repeat it.

making the entire thing pretty irrelevant as it's just as easy to download a cheat mod or even make one yourself.

Download a cheat mod is even harder than console; that takes effort, and to quit the game first.

In the end, because TES is a single-player game, the main deterrent of breaking game mechanics is the fact that it is boring. People might be inclined to grief other gamers in multiplayer and get satisfaction from that. But in single-player the NPCs are not going to be at all impressed or even care that you are killing them in one shot from half a world away.

Like stepping out of a 2' hole without having to reload?

Yes, and no. Console is a must, especially if you're making videos.

Edit: Noticed I had written no instead of yes, lol.

Learn some self control. The console is absolutely necessary.

Get it for PS3 or 360 if you're that weak minded.

I just did not use cheats.

But i did not care one bit.

I often use the console to 'tcl' my way back out of a long dungeon, c'mon it's not really cheating if I already got to the end of the dungeon.

Only time I started using cheats in Oblivion or Morrowind is after I'd played them both to death and I just wanted to get something over with so I could replay my favorite parts quicker.

You aren't supposed to feel any way. I'm sure there are plenty of people that use the console a ton and still love the games. Obviously it will ruin it for others. My nephew's friend for example within twenty minutes of playing the game took out a notebook and made a chart of various item codes and such. She was having a blast not even questing just breaking the game and doing crazy things. It's not how the game is designed, but she had fun with it!

Personally if I use the console (unless my save would be broken such as one time I got stuck in geometry in an Oblivion plane and couldn't get out normally), I save in a different file and then just have crazy fun. One of my best memories of Oblivion was when a cousin was over and I made it positively rain watermelons by turning off physics, duplicating the watermelons and placing them in mid air, then landing and turning physics on to see them rain down and fill up a temple. We had to find the right balance of watermelons to increase the craziness while not crashing the game...

I'm on the consoles and i'd rather not have them. They're pretty much cheating.

having the console is actually a necessity when i comes to bethesda games. getting quests to trigger that didnt or in my case changing the timescale from 30 to 5. ill admit to using movetoqt and coc once in a while if im doing a particularly dull quest for the hundredth time but other than that its for getting myself out of bug jams and changing timescale.

if im not mistaken i thought there was a mod that disabled the console for PC users.

I have a question. If there is such a massive temptation to use the console, but you don't want to, why not just unbind it in the .ini?

Problem solved really, and it can be enabled again just as easily as disabling a mod that disables console use anyway. Either that, or get some damn willpower to be able to resist such a small thing.

I used the console in fallout 3 to give myself a scoped .44 magnum and ammo. After about 10 hours of playing this way I started a new game without using the console. It ruined the game. Since then I've never used the console, except in NV to fix the remnant power armor quest.

Giving yourself armor or weapons ruins the game. I can't imagine just killing everything with the console. Why don't you just not use it? Do you svck that bad at oblivion? It's really not a hard game at all. If you want to cheat, then cheat! Accept that your a cheater and like using the console! Or just stop using it a play the game, save often, if you die reload!!

I bet you want them to remove invisibility and chameleon etc, huh? It seems to me that the people who constantly play with potentially overpowered spells and abilities(or the console) instead of using them in moderation or not at all, are the same people who wish they'd be removed. Grow the [censored] up, either stop playing that way, or except the fact your have no self control and like to ruin the game for yourself... Everyone else seems to be doing fine, what's wrong with you guys?

I only personally use Consoles for when I want to prat around the game, (Not for questing) or now and again, if I somehow get stuck in the games geometry then I use tcl to get out.

Two Worlds and Two Worlds 2 had it for consoles.

Yes for the console. It's essential when modding. Well, mod testing. Having an option whether or not to have it for each game is nonsense. Just don't use it for cheats if you don't want to cheat.

I do test with console commands in Oblivion... If you can't control yourself, there are mods to disable the console commands