I remember when it was first released that i sat 24/7 with the game exploring far away caves for special loot, and then posting picture of my character on forums to compare with others. After a week people were posting they were running Dragon Bone armor and not only that, theyre follower also had that! Obviously been using the "coc qasmoke" command to pick up whatever they wanted.

I think its fine that people can do this, but its not fine that there is no consequences for cheating. Would be fun to have people wondering about "WOW! Where you get that armor ???" and stuff like that, but its not happening in this game as everything is available through commands. Achievements should be only available if you never touched any form for teleportation and cheat code, so we could appreciate people who actually have worked hard on the game and not used codes.

I think ultimately the point is simply to have fun.

I have more fun by using console commands and mods to make the game harder, not easier, just because I have more fun that way. If someone else enjoys the game more by being able to test all the dragon shouts and spells in the game, or have unlimited gold, etc., more power to them, as long as they enjoy it.

cough It's a single player game cough.

cough achievements mean nothing cough.

cough people are just having fun by using them cough.

Funny, I didn't know this was an MMO where people had to keep up with the Joneses.

...The what now?

In New Vegas achievements were disabled if you opened the console, strange they didn't do the same with Skyrim. And unfairly gaining achievemnts is really the only feature that i can see "harming" other players. Well, i can see how that can happen, but i do not understand that

The console commands were used by the devs for testing. Why would they want to rewrite what they were using for testing? Seriously. If you were already near deadline, and someone said, "Rewrite the way console commands work!" you'd probably be swearing and using a million racial insults. Besides, if I use the command for God Mode, my choice. I'm not bothering anyone but myself. I'm not hurting anyone. Try not to use the things if you feel they are cheating that you don't want to do.

As for me, I will cheat if I want. As Cartman once said, "Whateva, I do what I want!"

People above me already said it, you use the console yourself, you don't have to if you don't want to.
Talking about hacking/exploiting/cheating is nonsense to start with as it's a Single Player game, in other words you can cheat everything and nobody will suffer from it (well apart from yourself but whatever)
I can't see how being decked out in Dragon bone armor after you escaped helgen could be fun but some people think it is so yea as long as they have fun who cares?
Oh and another thing, decking yourself out in Dragonbone armor and your companion is not that hard, I remember before most of the patches I was being attacked by dragons NON STOP so getting the recourses wouldn't be that hard.

I disagree. Some of those achievements are ridiculous and "force" players to go out of character to get them. For example, getting the achievement for 13 Daedra artificats requires killing people, and some players don't like that. There's also the achievements related to crimes (break out of jail, pickpocket 50, and hold 1000g in all 9 holds).

Sure, they're easy to get, but most will probably just wait until the game's finished and "do them to get them".

That's not fun. That's a chore.

Achievements should be earned playing the game as intended, not having developers force us to jump through idiotic hoops to get them.

But there's a kudos here: at least there aren't any secret achievements.

I say it's fair game for PC owners to open their game and wreak havoc on getting achievements. No harm to me (despite being a console player) so let them have their cake and eat it too.

Its not about getting the achievements or not, its about destroying the secrets and mystery surrounding Skyrim.
I remember exploring far away places and got some very rare equipment, but since everyone was using the Testing Halls people were not surprised. If you look at youtube videos of peoples characters they have like maxed out in every trait, how fun is that ?

So what i mean is that people who actually play the game as intended without cheats should be rewarded for it.

Just because it's not fun for you doesn't mean it's not fun for them.

Then don't use "cheats" to get achievements play the game without them. How does people useing "cheats" to get achievemnets affect you? It's a single player game. Which means you play the game by yourself no one else, but you. Big deal they are using "cheats" to get achievements. Like I siad before achievements mean nothing.

The reward is your enjoyment of the game.

If you have more fun playing the game without cheats, that is a reward in itself. If someone else enjoys playing with 1 million gold or whatever, it's no skin off my back. Personally, I would be bored to tears if I ever became that wealthy, because then the gold becomes meaningless and there is no more point in accumulating wealth and valuables.

Some might enjoy tweaking the game so they rise to a high level fast, or become all powerful, etc. I get incredibly bored when the game is too easy, so I use console commands and mods to make it more challenging, instead. As long as you are having fun, you are doing something right.

I always find funny someone who whines about something that's entirely optional, instead of blaming their inexistent willpower.

http://www.dragoart.com/tuts/pics/5/7424/how-to-draw-ditto,-pokemon.jpg Also I remember a time when video games didn't have achievemnets/trophies. You played the game for the fun of it and you did things for the challenge. Like playing a game on the hardest difficulty.

I know. Hell the Op probably does the same thing he is whining about.

And i remember when hardest diffculty was not just a modification on how much damage you give and take. Like i now use mods for, more enemies who have perks, potions and healing spells. Smart difficulty increase, not needing 10 swings insted of 2 to kill an enemy.

Ruin it?! They save me from bugs many times.

And it's a single player game, besides if you're creative enough console command can be used as a tool to help roleplaying.

Also, why should I get penalised for adding a reward that I never received due to a bug, or for teleporting myself when I got stuck in a rock? Or for testing out my mod?

Console commands are not for cheating, they can just be used for that.

http://www.dragoart.com/tuts/pics/5/7424/how-to-draw-ditto,-pokemon.jpg

I know I use console commands all the freaking time to make videos or test out my mod, because even though it's hard to find situations where I might be surrounded by 20 bandits who want to kill me, some of my end-users might. Therefore, I have to test for it.

Quite.

I tihnk I'm going to have to add "ruined" to my list of words like "lazy" and "broken" that are thrown around far too much here.

Personally i've only ever used the console once - and that was to see if i could advance the bugged Blood on the Ice quest (or at least have it completed so i could buy the house and become Thane) but either i wasnt entering the code correctly or it just wasnt working.

As others have said its a single player game - its not like your getting any advantage over anyone else if you use the console and if the codes wern't there i'm sure they'd just go into the CK and drop dragonbone items in the middle of Riverrun (i'll admit when i was younger i dropped some high lvl items into the middle of Balmora in Morrowind as i wanted decent gear).

Also before the patch that changed Smithing it was very easy to spam your way to 100 smithing and if you fast travelled a lot you tend to meet a lot more dragons meaning you'd have a tonne of dragon bones and scales.

On the subject of achievements - how cares? none of them are particually hard to get if you play normally anyway


Your not forced to get all the achievements on the same character though - at the moment my character i'm playing as is a knight that wont touch the thieves guild or DB - but my next character will be a stealthy character (prob a vampire assassin) that will be more drawn to those quests.

why do you care? it doesn't effect you in anyway what so ever

I hate how achievements are locked in New Vegas for using the console. Good thing Oblivion didn't have any achievements. Why should I be punished because an error happened and I needed to fix it? Restarting the game is annoying. Besides, the console is a great tool, I love it.

I really liked the type of achievements in Fallout New Vegas that were sort of like mini-perks. (i.e., kill 1000 radscorpions and you figure out how to do 5% more damage vs mutated insects, etc.). I can't recall if those were tied to Steam achievements or not.

Achievements are kind of meaningless, but it is still fun to collect them, so I'd agree it was a good choice not to lock it for Skyrim when you use the console. With FNV, there were numerous occasions when I had to use console commands to extricate myself from a clipping situation in the terrain, etc.

I remember when I was nuts about trophies once I got a PS3. I got bored of the whole thing faaast. I miss the days when we didn't get some points that have no purpose other than to compare how many you got with someone. It isn't even worth caring about. With Superhero freeroams, I will bother because those games have become a tired type of game. Devil May Cry 4 and Bayonetta have built in reward systems. DMC4 on the 360 had achievements, but logging onto your PSN account has the same effect. Bayonetta gave better trophies thanks to those actually fitting with the games theme. The Sony trophies for it? No thanks! I'd rather have a trophy of a little girl who helps a witch fight angels, thank you very much.