Consoles are killing the PC

Post » Sat Jul 18, 2009 5:44 am

I am not a fanboy of the PC. I just dislike game consoles. If you disagree with anything here, tell me. I make these statements based on observation and logical anolysis. I am referring in this post to the Microsoft Xbox 360, because I have one. I do not hate on Microsoft or the 360.

The first part of this post is more of a comparison between the PC and the console. For the answer to how the console is destroying the PC, skip to the end. The rest of the post is supporting details.

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1. Companies are in control, users have no say in how the system works

Firstly, I don't like how consoles are very simple to use and have virtually no real customization.

The simple nature of the system (Put a disk in and that's it) draws in a (very large) number of uninformed people who are very susceptible to psychological control tactics. In common English: This means the 'controller' (Microsoft), does things to make people think they are in control of the system ("I can change the color of my Avatar!)". Whereas in reality, Microsoft actually controls everything that matters 'behind the scenes'.

This means that you can't put music on it with a network connection unless Microsoft says so (and they haven't, you still need to use a CD).

This means you can't browse the web on it unless Microsoft says so.

This means you can't play a game online, or do voice chat with multiple people unless you give money to Microsoft

And those are just two examples of features many people would love to have, and the system doesn't. And since Microsoft has complete control over features, the feature doesn't go in unless they put it in.

And sometimes they do put features in, such as Facebook and Twitter. But, of course Microsoft makes you pay for it.

Why? Because they can.

Why doesn't a community member write a free program/app to do it (Like Firefox)? Because they can't.

Oh, and here's a good one: Why doesn't Microsoft do something nice for a change? Because they don't have to, and they don't want to. And above all: BECAUSE IT WON'T MAKE A PROFIT

Are PCs any better at this?

For user control and customization, yes. PCs are considerably better. PCs have programs to do what the operating system doesn't. PCs can have different hardware, and operating systems and software. However the price to pay for all this freedom, is that it also gives people the freedom to do things that destroy the platform (ex. piracy).

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2. The community can be awful

The community being 'awful' is subjective, I know. And also, not everyone in a community is bad.

When I say 'bad people' in a community, I mean the sort of people who I generally do not like. People's opinions of others can vary. I will say mine here:

An example of a person who I don't like to play with is:

- Someone who is racist, insulting or outright rude

example: "Get out of there you p***y, come and fight like a man. You are one stupid n***er, noob-tube me again and I'll beat you up you f***king hobo."

- Someone who stubbornly supports an unjustified belief/opinion (and often speaks as if that they are right and everyone else is wrong, and what they say is truth), usually with subjective evidence, such as:

Idiot: "the snipers for stupide noobs who cant play the gaym"
Player: "Actually, the sniper takes a lot of skill to use"
Idiot: "No it dusint you peece of s**t, it's a noob weppin"
Player: "Prove it"
Idiot: "Its a noob weppn becuse i hate it, and its for noobs. i cant even shoot wit it."
Idiot: "anyway i dont have to lisen to you u nerd"

This type of player is usually described as a 'troll'

Also, the console communities seem to be mostly conformist (read: If it's not 'cool' to think something, don't think it. If playing WoW is for 'nerds', then anyone who claims to play WoW will get flamed for being a 'nerd'.

And stereotypes are also prevalent in these communities. Anyone who sounds like a 12-year-old on voice is suddenly insulted, just for being younger. Sometimes younger people are very immature on games, and therefore it has become a stereotype that ALL 12-year-olds are immature, and even the smart ones get flamed.

I am 14 (Don't kick me of the site please), and do I sound immature to you?

Are PCs any better at this?

Well, on PC I have mostly played the Battlefield games online (2142, BC2, BF2, etc.), and occasionally Crysis/Crysis Wars, but not much as it's overrun with hackers half the time.

The PC community is pretty good on the games I've played. That's not to say it's perfect. Even the PC community has some of 'those people' I described above. But I don't see those often, even on voice chat. But I often see those who take the game way too seriously and throw hissy fit at all their teammates if they lose.

Also, the PC doesn't have as many players as consoles, so consoles are better in the sense that their community is larger.

But, the PC community would probably be a lot larger if they didn't get the short end of the stick so often. I bought Need For Speed Hot Pursuit (The new 2010 one) for PC, and it's a good game. But the problems it has on the PC are entirely due to the ass-kissing dance that EA is doing for the consoles.

For instance, I don't remember the last time there was an online event for that game that wasn't exclusively for the PS3 and Xbox 360 players, and the lack of support for PC players in that game is terrible. There was no anti-aliasing for the first three weeks or so, for Christ's sake! There are also a few hackers, and EA does jack squat to fix it.

But I did notice with that game, that as soon as the console players complained of a problem, it was responded to the next day. And then when the first three pages of the forums were full of PC complaints and issues, EA staff finally replied... Three weeks later! Well... actually, EA staff did post during the three weeks of problems, but it was about the Xbox 360/PS3 event.

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3. How the consoles kill the PC
You may wonder what is wrong with creating and marketing a successful product. Nothing, actually. The problem in the console situation is that the console market pulls in a HUGE amount of customers from the PC market. They do this with their psychological marketing and control tactics, among other things.

Gamers are drawn in by the simplicity and the illusion of control that the console gives them. Also, in popular culture, computers are for 'nerds', and consoles are 'gangster' or 'cool'. I don't mind the console industry growing, but I think that developers, and especially publishers should try hard to balance the customers between the platforms.

Then, the PC gamers have a thriving community, and so do the console gamers. The console gamers would have less players, perhaps. But I am certain that there would still be more than enough people playing console games. Publishers and developers might make less money, but they would still make a lot, and they would be supporting the PC market at the same time, and have an extra thriving community of customers.

So, to balance customers (In the context of Crysis 2):

1. The visual demonstration

Don't make a 1-video tech demo that combines PC and Console footage. That is confusing and doesn't show off the engine well. Instead, make 3 videos, with all the same footage, but on different platforms. Like this:

Crysis 2 Tech Demo - PC

Crysis 2 Tech Demo - Xbox 360

Crysis 2 Tech Demo - PS3

Then, you will show off how good it is for each system.

2. The marketing

Don't start off every single speech about the Cryengine with how well it can scale to PS3 and Xbox 360 (And then go off into a string of PS3 footage). We know that already, and that is definitely not the most important thing about the engine. Instead, talk about actual features of the engine, and the gameplay. Talk about things that show off the engine, not the platform.

3. Release a demo

Yes, a demo (Or a beta). On all 3 platforms. Multiplayer, singleplayer, whatever. Release it, and make it free. Or if you want to give people a better incentive to pre-order, say that if you pre-order it you get the beta. At least that's a better incentive than:

"If you preorder, you have a chance of maybe getting a limited edition"

The demo will allow people to see what they like and don't like about the game, on their platform. And whatever you do, DO NOT try to market the game on a certain system any more than another one. That is BAD. Also, demo games are fun, and increase publicity among people. If I show my friend a video of the game, it isn't as good as letting him play my beta copy. If he plays it and loves it, he's more likely to buy it.
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Post » Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:09 pm

Pc has their people playing and console has their ppl playing. And it will stay like that , neither will kill eachother. People are different and prefer diferent things no matter how communitys for pcs or consoles are or how the controls are
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Post » Sat Jul 18, 2009 4:20 am

Some great ideas you have :)
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Post » Sat Jul 18, 2009 2:56 am

welcome to competition, if pc cant pull in a bigger gaming audiance than consoles then px gamers either die out or get an upgrade in audience, its survival of the fittest, swim for your life.. catch my drift?
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Post » Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:35 pm

welcome to competition, if pc cant pull in a bigger gaming audiance than consoles then px gamers either die out or get an upgrade in audience, its survival of the fittest, swim for your life.. catch my drift?

Hmm... Well ideally I think that they should serve a broad audience, regardless of profit. There is still a lot of profit to be made, even when having more friendly marketing.
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Post » Sat Jul 18, 2009 12:18 am

First. Get yourself how much an average to good PC costs. 600 € is going to rather good but that is really enough for a computer. But you have to think of casual gamers: They don't want to spend 600€ for a device they don't use. Or think of different game types. I can't really think of playing Assassin's Creed on PC, while I can't imagine playing Half-Life 2 on Xbox. The community is the same on every plattform except for underaged people (because they don't like PCs :)) I experienced more flamers, racists (even against Germans, so it counts twice to me) on PC games, than on consoles. Also consoles have way more comfort to play and to sit on a couch for example. They have pros, but cons, too, but this don't make PC go down. Look at current examples. Cevat is prefering the PC over a console. Dice will put extra effort in the PC version of Battlefield 3, because they get the idea, that PC's have advantages against consoles. But still, making PC-exclusives will throw the studios in the ruin. Too many hackers, too many pirates are in the internet. The open internet on the PC is unpredictable, whilst the Xbox for example, is "controlled" by microsoft.

Why can't people be like me and don't give a s**t about different plattforms. -.-
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Post » Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:52 pm

PC gaming is the worlds biggest gaming platform by about 200m, and is growing at a rate faster than any console. Steam alone has 30m users.

It isn't about consoles killing PC's, it's about cross platform games being more lucrative due to having a wider audience, and for some reason developers think console players are a bunch of tards who can't think beyond shooting anything that moves.
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Post » Sat Jul 18, 2009 2:26 am

Time to say the wonderful word: Crysis 2. Ah, well... Deus Ex, too.
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Post » Sat Jul 18, 2009 12:58 am

You are totally right Consoles killing PC. See what happened with Battlefield, GTA even Crysis could be twice that cool if it′s PC only. It′s so sad...

I would be really awesome if a developer post a statement on this.
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Post » Sat Jul 18, 2009 5:27 am

You are totally right Consoles killing PC. See what happened with Battlefield, GTA even Crysis could be twice that cool if it′s PC only. It′s so sad...

I would be really awesome if a developer post a statement on this.
They lost money with Crysis beeing PC exclusive. If Crysis 2 will be too, there won't be any further Crysis games.
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Post » Sat Jul 18, 2009 2:54 am

You are totally right Consoles killing PC. See what happened with Battlefield, GTA even Crysis could be twice that cool if it′s PC only. It′s so sad...

I would be really awesome if a developer post a statement on this.
They lost money with Crysis beeing PC exclusive. If Crysis 2 will be too, there won't be any further Crysis games.

But without the help of the PC Crysis 1 they wouldn′t be able to make a Crysis 2.
They should be thankfull, their biggest success came whith Crysis PC only.
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Post » Sat Jul 18, 2009 5:15 am

Well done. Well done, indeed.

But prepare to be overflown with people who will say "tl;dr". Which is sad, I know.

I just wanted to note that, generally speaking, the PC gamers are more cautious about what they buy. If they know a developer is going to give them a port, they are obviously going to question whether or not to buy that game in the first place. This, too, is driving the PC market down. That's not to say that people are wrong to do this. No, quite the contrary. People SHOULD be doing this more and more.

To a lot of crappy developers, releasing their game on the PC is just some "other" source of money and they just don't put the attention that is downright required for the platform, into their game. Which in term, again, makes the customer even more cautious and makes it seem as if the PC market just isn't there. It is, we just don't want your crappy games that never were meant to be on the PC, that's all.


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Post » Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:30 pm

Interesting I might add, but really what is the whole point behind these kind of posts....waste of time and energy. So what if you have PC or Xbox or PS3 the point is if you play the games you like on platform you prefer who cares what other people think. As long I get to play the games I want with my friends I don't care about PC versus the consoles...move on already! Post something that actual matters instead of posting something that for the most part most people don't care about it.....even posting this was a waste of time!!!!
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Post » Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:36 pm

@xxxTRISTAMxxx Well done, mate. You didn't read the post and yet you thought it was a good idea to make an useless comment that has no relevance to the actual point of the OP. Well done!
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Post » Sat Jul 18, 2009 3:14 am

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I am starting to worry about PC becoming an unimportant platform for gaming though. I have tried my gaming with consoles and the experience simply is not the same. The $1000 or so dollars it takes every 5 years to maintain a top notch PC running games at 60fps maxed is quite worth it to me, getting not only a gaming machine, but a powerhorse that can do all my work related needs, multitask, and be a completely free platform to do whatever I feel like making it do.

I feel that once the global economies start to really pick up again, that consumers will have more money and PC gaming will pick up again over the cheaper Console counterparts.
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Post » Fri Jul 17, 2009 7:03 pm

I approve of guild wars being on that top picture. Most people seem to forget it sold 6 million copies and is the only MMO i can stand to play, as it's not a grind fest with no story.

Roll on guild wars 2!
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Post » Fri Jul 17, 2009 5:19 pm

welcome to competition, if pc cant pull in a bigger gaming audiance than consoles then px gamers either die out or get an upgrade in audience, its survival of the fittest, swim for your life.. catch my drift?

Hmm... Well ideally I think that they should serve a broad audience, regardless of profit. There is still a lot of profit to be made, even when having more friendly marketing.
there are no comprimises in the market my friend. alliances: temporary the "sharing" prospect: nonexistant dog eat dog.
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Post » Fri Jul 17, 2009 5:23 pm

*shrug* i'll say one thing: PC gaming is gaming. PC gaming dies, so does console gaming within a year or two after. Where do you think all these developers start off after all?

Let me give you a clue: they don't learn to code in halo:forge

Unfortunately for console fanboys, pc gaming is gaining large amounts of steam again with regards to sales and steam itself is booming. Also PC gaming has been 'dying' for 25 years, but has in fact outlived ~6 console generations, growing all the time except for that 2007 vista slump.
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Post » Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:54 pm

I have to admit that playing videogames via consoles is much easier than playing on PCs, much cheaper too.

A good PC that can run the latest games smoothly will cost around $1000, consoles cost $200-$400. Videogame graphics advance everyday, and today's latest hardware becomes outdated 6 months later, so if you want to continue playing the latest games smoothly, you must buy another $400 graphics card.

Console players don't have to worry whether their consoles will be able to run the game, there is no such thing as "can I run Crysis 2?" from consoles. However, PC players will be on their toes and fingers crossed until Crytek releases the system requirements, or until they get the game and find out it runs 5 frames per second on their system.

There aren't really many things that are PC exclusive, mods and hackers are 2 things that PCs have more than consoles do.

Sure a modern gaming PC is much much more powerful than a console, and can do much more than just play videogames, but how much does it cost to buy them and keep them running with the latest parts?


I'm sure I can buy a console to handle all my gaming needs, then buy a small energy efficient netbook to handle all my computing needs, and the total would be about...hmm $300 console + $200 netbook?

I'll just get down to the truth, I personally think playing videogames and keeping up with videogames via PC isn't getting any cheaper, and in the future I will seriously reconsider before I jump into another $1500 build again, just to see it get outdated in half the time it takes a $300 Xbox to release their next generation.

If game developers don't start making games more optimized for older and not as up to date PCs, and if computer parts don't get any cheaper, we may very well be seeing consoles killing PCs, for real.
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Post » Sat Jul 18, 2009 5:09 am

Well done. Well done, indeed.

But prepare to be overflown with people who will say "tl;dr". Which is sad, I know.

I just wanted to note that, generally speaking, the PC gamers are more cautious about what they buy. If they know a developer is going to give them a port, they are obviously going to question whether or not to buy that game in the first place. This, too, is driving the PC market down. That's not to say that people are wrong to do this. No, quite the contrary. People SHOULD be doing this more and more.

To a lot of crappy developers, releasing their game on the PC is just some "other" source of money and they just don't put the attention that is downright required for the platform, into their game. Which in term, again, makes the customer even more cautious and makes it seem as if the PC market just isn't there. It is, we just don't want your crappy games that never were meant to be on the PC, that's all.


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This is exactly the point! It′s getting even more worse when the developer aren′t supporting the PC.
I hope Crytek know their roots....
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Post » Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:08 pm

Hahaha "PC Gaming - Happily dying since 1985" .... love it!
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Post » Fri Jul 17, 2009 4:49 pm

"PLEASE READ" With a pc you can do work watch videos get
demos for thousands of games I like how everyone
talks about the **** games like Metal gear solid
that lacks creativity in every aspect and the story
instead of seeming like something new seems like it
just copied a bunch of movie scenes hence jumping
off the back of the water fall and put them together
yet people act like its original at all and praise it LOL
there are thousands of good games out their that are
not popular and more of them are on PC than xbox YES
more games videos demos work speaking to family friends
and you can pretty much look up any song in the world on
youtube nowdays so why should i get a console? im not
trying to insult anyone just saying that they have been ripped off
with a peice of junk that has a limited selection of games and **** graphics
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Post » Sat Jul 18, 2009 6:31 am

This isn't 'off-topic'. It has information specifically pertaining to Crysis 2. Please move it back to general.
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Post » Sat Jul 18, 2009 2:14 am

Sorry, but only the final few paragraphs have anything to do with Crysis the game. You noted yourself that they needed to be brought into context. Only threads that pertain solely and specifically to Crysis belong in the General Forum.

Your points are noted, however :) Thanks for sharing.
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Post » Sat Jul 18, 2009 12:16 am

PC Gaming is not dead...yet! I hope the PC is getting more important again in the future!
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