Here we go with this again.... :rolleyes:

This, bought an 700$ laptop who can run Skyrim at least at high settings.

However the interface is weak, I will say it's worse than default Oblivion or Fallout, less actuate and far more clumsy. The only ting I like about it is the perk trees.
Much of it can be moded.
It also misses features console players would like as showing weight of items in inventory, the possibility to filter in containers if you store multiple item types in one they mix up. Had been nice to store weapon and armor you will sell in the sack at the entrance together with crafting stuff but now it's mixed together.
Why take out the shopping cart from fallout,

I just love this kind of comment, yes, ^that one over there, do you see that?
It says: elitist PC exclusive. (As always, if a PC gamer asks for a bit of love to their machine, it's elitist)
It also says: thousands of dollars (.....yeah...right...)
And what about this?: every 2 months ( :shakehead: )
And I don't even know what to say about the ''they don't like that the poor people down the lane get to play the same games they do for a fraction of the total cost'', because, you know, you console gamers, that pay a similar final price due to games being WAY to expensive in comparison to PC games are so much poor, but you can dich out 70 euros on a game and I'm the rich one for having a 400 euro PC that can handle the game faster, at a better resolution? Hypocrisy is so irritating...

Buying a high end pc is being less and less advisable if companies continue to poorly optimize it's potential. I bought a new high end rig to play Skyrim top notch and instead I get a crappy console port. Truly I wish for days where everyone plays on the same platform although I know such a day will never come.

The production pipeline is much longer and complex for consoles than for PC, if only for the massive list of compliance requirements that manufacturers issue to all developers (trust me, I've seen the Excel myself).
Having said that, Skyrim is a perfect example of how idiotic education consolers receive through media. They are extremely grateful of using poor controls and even worse UI's. And they gladly purchase software at premium prices to pay the developer, the publisher AND the console manufacturer!
Gamers grown as consolers missed the golden age of gaming and now they cheer at rotten food as if it was the ultimate delightment. A good example on how media manipulates individuals.

I think the piracy angle is a fallacy these days. Digital download services like Steam have done for gaming what iTunes did for the music industry. People will always go for the path of least resistance (which is why consoles sell so well). If there's a copy to easily buy without leaving your armchair people will do that rather than spend time hunting for a torrent, which may or may not infect your PC.

I've never forgiven Microsoft for what they did to Bungie. Marathon and Myth: The Fallen Lords are two of my favourite games of all time. Then the lure of console lucre came along and they've been producing that dumbed-down Halo crap ever since. I'd hate to see Bethesda go the same way, with 'streamlining', x-box exclusives and whatnot.

If it makes u feel any better
It isnt much better on consoles
The UI is bad and doesnt work with a controller
The draw distance is horrid (u yuys have better draw distance)
The lod is even worse (u guys have better lod than we do)
The textures can be really bad and pop in alot (u guys can have full textures all the time)
We have to wait on dlc and patches and hope stuff gets fixed..(u guys get mods and unofficial patches)

Bethesda is at the end of the day a buisness, consoles have come a long way to being on a very leveled plane with PC on the gaming front, all this talk of consol versions being "dumbing down" is just narrowminded, shallow elitist behaviour from people who havent invested any deeper thought then cast a gaze at stereotypes of console gamers.

Just face it, console and PC folks have to live side by side, it′s just how the market is.

Consoles simply lack in comparison to the pc and since the majority of gamers have only a console, Bethesda will adjust to the limits of a console, thus dumbing down the game for pc users.

Is this crazy talk?

poor controls. bad ui? haven't seen that on Xbox
i grow up with C64/Amiga/PC i could say the "golden age of gaming was back in the early 90s or late 80s"

How I wish they would make them for PC and port them to console. But alas...the ADHD afflicted 13 year old is now the industry's target demographic...and these chaps (if you ever have played on Xbox Live) you will know don't often play on PC.

The OP has a point. Consoles may be 80% of the market, but their technology has been surpassed to the point of complete and utter lol.

Funny how AMD and nVidia remain capable of trading blows, despite the crappy economy. But high-end isn't their bread and butter. Each company has to have their "Corvette" that they roll out each model year, though.

It's precisely because of this process, that the 360 and PS3 are ubiquitous and cheap.

Do you like your ubiquitous and cheap consoles? 'Course ya do. Your entire existence is dependent upon the availability of cheap hand-me-down tech, though, and don't ever forget that.

If PC gaming dies, the gravy train derails.

I paid ￡140 for my new card. they're out there at good prices, easy to find with a littel research. As an unashamed PC gamer I have to agree with the last statement. A game like Skyrim will ALWAYS be better on a PC whereas COD, Resident Evil type games are infinitely better on a console. As to the UI it is frankly a pile of shi te. I only realised yesterday, after playing for a week, that there are sometimes more dialogue options, something that is not made obvious in the UI screen.

each to there own, I played the console version of Dragon Age, a game many say is pro PC and I enjoyed it greatly, vice versa I play Skyrim on my PC and none of the supposed "console game" features annoy me.


Guess I just look beyond hardware, software and look at the core of games, and so far I rarly seen the diffrence between console games and PC games. It′s in the end about having fun, and at that point looking at a TV screen or a PC screen is no diffrence in my eyes.





what ya tell ya, shallow steriotyping of console gamers

ye.. and dont forget all the ADHD 13year old kiddos playing Bf3 and Counterstrike on PC :/

I thought the average age of the console owner was 35-44?

I own a console and a pc. The reason that consoles are often the lead platform is that its a static platform to shoot for, and its more popular. I dont disagree that the UI should have been better optimised for the PC, but making the PC the lead platform is not the answer.

Dark Souls, Demon Souls, Unchartered Series, Gears of War to name a few?

I totally agree, they are paying for something that's really overpriced, both the console itself and the games are, and then dare to come with the cliché that PCs cost fortunes and so on. I'm not saying consoles don't have their good part, they have, and they're making the PC gaming grow so much in these last years of gen it's absurd. We'll see when next-gen comes by, and the all new consoles cost a lot more than a good PC what the excuse will be.

100% agree. Too bad its about money and not about making epic games anymore.

As a teacher I can say that ADHD is the biggest load of crap and the most often used excuse used by parents and professionals today. For ADHD read a spoilt generation brought up on the largest amount of disposable income ever and a total lack of respect for authority and rules.

Bane futher up the thread posted this:



I totally agree with you there mate, then the megadrive arrived and it went downhill from there!

Did you miss the post where Bethesda said that creating games for PC is a headache and consoles are so much easier to do?

http://www.next-gen.biz/news/bethesda-admits-pc-development-headache

Yeah, I miss my greenscreen cpc464, and amiga 600 terribly. Now excuse me while I roam around a beautifully realised virtual world, having enormous amounts of fun on my 360

and I am on my PC :hubbahubba:

I love all the pc elitism when they're pissed that game companies don't care about them. You paid how much for a rig that might run the game at better graphics when it's not bugging out.

And this gives them an excuse? If they think it's a such a big deal to develop for the pc then why bother to anyway? But I guess it is already to much trouble for them to make me use the crossfire application for this game.