Ok will I see there is no getting to you...just cause your game is not glitch, bug , whatever does not mean its not happening to some of us. i"am happy that your game is great, just to be clear I don't want the vampire attacks to be gone..I like the idea, but it needs to be tweak.. I remember people complaining about textures being bad..I never had this problem but that doesn't mean people were not getting it...anyways, what said is said ..and whats done is done.

and i said across the map like i'am in whiterun and this happen in markarth sheesh...i hate repeating my self

Repeat all u want. I heard it the first time. All my posts were referring to those who got their npc's killed in the same area as them or on another side of the same hold. I've never heard any1 say they were killed while they were in a completely different hold, and dont think its true since they dont spawn until ur in that hold. Its more likely that they were killed and u didnt notice, and u came back and finally noticed they were dead. What you are saying isnt even possible. Sheesh indeed.

I dont like repeating myself either, but heres my previous post since people seem to overlook it.


"Indeed. This argument is pointless really, since everyone's situation is different. Just because I dont have a problem, doesnt mean that everyone else is bad, but I still say that its not that big an issue that requires a fix from Bethesda. Dawnguard is excellent, and shouldnt be avoided due to such a small problem."

You need to read more carefully. Every1 else was complaining about vamps killing npcs in the same hold as them, which is what I was referring to. Not what u were talking about. You have a whole different problem. If what u claim is even true, which I still say u just didnt notice they were being killed when u left. How else would u know they were being killed while u were across the map? No cellphones buddy.

This, but that last part is the whole problem- there IS no new place to shop. If there was, I'd be fine. But once they're killed off the three shopkeepers in the town, that's it. You're done. I don't want to waste half an hour trying not to lose everyone.

And think about this rationally- what is wrong with making a patch which will cause the AI to run to shelter when powerful enemies attack the city and leave the guards to handle it with the Dragonborn? That will not affect your game if you aren't having trouble with the vampires, and it would relieve the problems you're having. If you want non-guards to come and fight, make sure they're the invincible ones like Kodlak or Aela (assuming your in Whiterun). That is all we're asking. Either than or make all the non-key characters get replaced with other randomized people so there's always a blacksmith outside Warmaiden's, always one inside tending the counter, etc.

^^A similar feature to having NPCs run away already exists for Dragons. I've heard guards in Winterhold yell "A dragon! Everyone get inside!". Granted, the only person outside was the dark elf servant guy (who was running in either way), but I'm surprised a similar feature wasn't already added for vampires.

And if you're still having troubles with attacks:

1. Slow time shout (probably the most useful thing)
2. If you can, enchant some cheap iron daggers with a paralysis effect and reverse-pickpocket them onto the civilians who are often in the greatest danger

The attacks only happen when you are there, the courier can catch up to you any time after they occur, naturally you are probably going to be in another location when you eventually find out you were not paying close enough attention to the problem.

As to Ai anyone attached to Torsten Cruel-Sea in Windhelm should give the poor guy a weapon, he attacks vampires with only his fists. Aussie eventually gave him one, but has not had him attacked since, he equiped it though. Some NPC's will not equip a weapon, even if you give them one. I have one in Windhelm that has done that, so I assume she will hopefully run if attacked.

How's the hope goin'?

For me the hold of Whiterun always seem to be attacked the most, no matter what I do. Also I am not sure if this is a scripting error but when I enter solitude I had a vampire attack during the day.

The attacks can happen at any time, the 5 Braggen had were all during the day, Aussie has had them about even so far, but the 7 odd in Windhelm were all during the night, or just before sunrise.

Why the heck would VAMPIRES attack during the DAY? I noticed this too. Are they at least weaker?

Ah...hypocrisy...love it...


Then don't post in the thread? You also don't know many people...

I bolded the relevant statement.

You are saying he is bad...

You are saying he is bad...

You are saying he is bad...

You are saying he is bad...

Anyone else see the problem with his posts?

Not that I noticed, but then Aussie is always in too much of a hurry to kill them all. Playing as Braggen I watched some attacks and there did not seem to be any difference in how strong they were whether it was night or day, but he never got the more challenging groups invading town. I would say it makes no difference.

That's idiotic...

This!!!! Yes! Honestly I wanted to say this too but I couldn't take the time to sift through all that stuff. Thank goodness all this stuff is recorded

I'm not saying he is bad. There is a difference. I'm saying he needs to be revised. Saying you svck because A B and C is saying he is bad. You need to go to sleep my friend. If you took the time to actually read the posts for what they are instead of looking at, oh he says he needs to rethink his character, thats mean, you'd realize my statements are not hypocritical. I said just because I dont have a problem doesnt mean people svck (which was referring to people getting their npc's killed.). Thats not the same as having a problem due to a poor character. The person in question is having a problem with actually killing the vamps, not stopping them from killing civilians, which is what my post was originally referring to when I said just because I'm not having a problem doesnt mean any1 is bad. Quit taking my posts out of context. If you are too stupid to see the difference in "he is bad" and your character needs to be revised, then you are ignorant. I was attacking the way he planned out his character, not his skill as a player. No hypocrisy to be found. And what do you mean I dont know many people? If you're referring to my list of friends here, then you're even more ignorant, because I'm an XBOX 360 live player, which is what I was referring to. Idiot. You shouldn't post on things if you dont know the full facts of the matter. In fact, those posts towards the bottom especially make no sense when you said you are saying he's bad. Read your OWN [censored]. How is saying saying that he is bad? Starting to think that all you did was take my recent posts and put "you are saying he is bad" under them instead of actually reading them. Stupid.


Again, not calling him bad, saying his character needs revising. Not the same thing. MMore like advice. Take it that way if your feelings are easily hurt.


This statement was harsh, but I did not call him bad, I called him stupid. Still harsh but not the same thing. And the point is still true.


And finally, not calling him bad, giving advice. Nowhere in this post or any other post did I attack his skill, but rather his way of going about his character development. Big difference. Guy.

He took my posts out of context, and I'M an idiot? Take the time to actually read those posts and what they were in response to.

"The person in question is having a problem with actually killing the vamps, not stopping them from killing civilians"
No you idiot. I've said at least three times (I can quote them but that would apparently be a waste of time) that I do not have a hard time killing vampires, I DO have a hard time keeping them from killing civilians. My character is fine, and would have zero problem with vampire attacks if all the [censored] civilians would RUN AWAY. But instead they try to attack with daggers and then the vampires attack them first, kill them instantly, and turn them to dust- BEFORE I CAN DO JACK SH*T. So don't sit there and tell me I have a broken character, I have a broken DLC. Not glitched, but definitely broken.

You also said u couldnt kill them because your character was focusing on blacksmith and enchanting, so no you're the idiot.

"Oh no vampire attacks are too frequent! Instead of asking Bethesda to fix the problem, I'll never visit a city again for as long as my character lives." Yeah... I trust you can see the problem with such a significant limitation? Or at least, I HOPE you can.

I don't blame you for being angry. This has been the issue from day one and has had countless threads made about it in that time (22 days) yet people are still not getting it.. that or they just like being an ass and arguing for fun of it.

Please excuse my previous post calling the other user an idiot. I dont want to contribute to this getting locked for flaming, so as of now I'm done. Sorry guys, and sorry to SasoDuck.

I don't need your apology, I need people like you to stop arguing against people who need this fixed so Bethesda doesn't look at you and say "Well, these people don't have a problem, therefore there is no problem," because there IS a problem.

I'm only apologizing for calling you an idiot. My points on the matter still stand.

And my point still stands that it's an issue for a lot of us, and can be fixed without a negative impact toward you, and needs to be fixed.