...lose interest quickly due to lack of reason to keep reading the thread. Threads with flashy titles followed by inane pvssyr and no content typically equal nothing. The link to the old discussion thread was useful, and could have been linked to in the opening post. But then it doesn't detail what made it into CSE. The bullet-pointed wishlist could be rewritten as bullet-pointed actual content.

Bout time this got an official release

I give it my wholehearted approval. This is good stuff.

Vanila = Concoction-svckers-tool

Vanila + CSE = GORGEOUS construction set evar!!!



Shortcut to obse_loader.exe -editor


(edit: omg!!11 my pantz!)

Oh yes, 2011 just got a lot brighter looking in terms of mods. I guess I need to finish off what I don't want attached to OBSE 0020 and get it out of the way so I can install this bad boy. After I crack open the manual to see what actually made it in that is

I love the new script editor. A huge improvement over the vanilla CS script editor.

Batch Reference Editor - Yes, I'm this excited to see it. Too bad this wasn't out about 2 days ago, I could have used it and saved myself endless clicking around in TES4Edit.

And I am very grateful for Enhanced Recompile All Scripts tool (among all other great improvements).
It is very useful while translating plugins into some foreign language. Thank you :]

So, still no plans to say WHAT this does, merely more of the "modders are better than Bethesda"?

Display name, it does a ton of things. What will be meaningful to you is hard to say, but shadeMe can't exactly post the entire eight-page readme in the OP, can he? It improves, updates, and fixes the CS in tons of different ways. The Script Window is massively enhanced, the lip synch bug in the CS v1.2 is fixed (you need 1.0 installed but you can use it from 1.2, IIRC), lots of random crashes and other bugs are fixed, etc etc. Why not just check it out instead of whining? Seriously, hasn't shadeMe garnered enough of a reputation for amazing works?

CSE is an obse plugin that fixes a few bugs in the TES Construction Set and adds some new features; the most dramatic change is the completely overhauled script editor.

I think shadeMe's intent with his characteristically sparse OP is to generate curiosity, especially when combined with the positive feedback. You can find the complete feature list in the mod's documentation, if you decide to download it. I'm not sure the strategy worked as intended, but I sincerely doubt anything in the OP was meant to be taken seriously.

Vorians, of particular note, that bit I got really excited about: Batch Reference Editing. One of the things we've been pestering Elminster about for TES4Edit? We don't need it now with this. Gone are the days of spending eons clicking record flags to toggle the disable flag for a raft of references. That alone is worth gold, at least to me.

Also the ability to directly edit an ESM without having to get weird with copying and toggling flags on it and all that. I suspect that would be of some value to you, less so for me, but still.

Elimination of the need for de-isolation? Surely that's something? I know that means a hell of a lot to me.

You really should download it and read the PDF. It *IS* worth it and more.

Well, it looks like I have the privilege of having the very first bug report.
Trying to use CSE with http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=23979 installed causes the CS to crash on loading.

Problem signature:

In order to forestall further disagreements, here's a gutted version of the readme. Don't in any way think that reading this means you don't need to read the actual pdf readme that comes with the tool though.

I can take this down if you'd prefer ShadeMe. :brokencomputer:

I feel sad that I haven't made/released enough stuff for Oblivion recently...

Edit: ShadeMe has now copied and added the following abridged feature list to the OP, so I've now added spoiler tags.


Now, let's go check out ShadeMe...

For what it's worth, that text was actually written before the Skyrim announcement.


Just because you don't believe it, doesn't make it not true. I'm not trying to be snarky here; with no feature list and a claim that broad and vague, I understand your dubious response. But the fact is, the feature list is so long and significant that bullet points don't do it much justice. (Edit: But as I was typing this, Vacuity provided some. ) Much like Wrye Bash, the manual really is the right place to start.


The wishlist is a minority of the final improvements.

Most of the folks on the Special Thanks list have been doing beta testing and feature suggestion for the past few months, which is why several of us jumped in with immediate cheers and backpatting... not out of cliquishness, but because we all honestly can't stand the vanilla CS anymore and seeing this tool released to the general public really is cause for celebration. (Plus, due to the timing, many of us were drunk.) Don't mistake this for a circle-jerk, shadeMe's narcissism is entirely for show and I'm sure he's braced to receive and address a deluge of new bug reports and feature requests. So download it already.

I guess because I have focused on game mechanics and not other types of mods I am in the dark on this.

what is (why is it important):

Batch Reference Editing?

Edit an ESM without having to get weird with copying and toggling flags?

De-isolation?

Yes I did download and I read the docs for this mod. And I Do want to use it even just for the CTD fix and the lip sync files bug fix.

and this: Load Script Window & Script on Startup
CSE comes with INI settings to allow the spawning of a script window on CS startup, as well as loading a script into it. :hugs:

Wow...that is one thing I have wished for for years...

And I suspect there is more I will love after getting some of the "programmer" language concepts (from the docs, like what are the samples snips of code for? how are they used in the new CS by a modder?) clear in my head.

But the bottom line for me is I am a little scared to jump in because of 3 things:

1, Will this mean I can never go back to the old CS once I start using this? Will the files this generates not work any longer in the old CS?

2, Will I still be able to cut and paste scripts back an forth from my word processing programs? I do this a lot for spell checking my message boxes and other similar items.

3, How will the files "play" with other tools like TesGecko? I mean if the ESP file cannot be used in the old editor anymore, will they not work with the other 3rd party esp tools?


Seems like it is a god send program for modders, once modders like me ( who are not professional programmers) get over the fears I will bet this will be the most used mod next to OBSE!

Ahhh!! It's finally out! Thank you shadeMe, the work you've done on this is incredible. My jaw dropped when reading through the readme. Congrats on a huge release; this is going to help all the modders around here immensely. :foodndrink:

HOLY OGRE [censored]!!

No words can describe how awesome and epic this is, thank you very much my friend. I would like to know if something else is fixable with this. I know that if I were to make some edits to the official DLCs with this and save it as another esp (de-isolation) it would crash the CS, however It wont crash if I make a random edit to a worldspace (any worldspace). This seems to happen also with a few mods that have a few ESPs as masters.

Minor Nitpick, could you fix that the CS adds water info to a cell even when it has no water?



And also for the record shadeMe, I share you're opinions of Beth. Even if people don't understand them or find them irrational, it's the truth and you should never be afraid to tell it. I'm standing firm with my boycott of future Beth games until they release more patches for Oblivion and I hope more will join me.

No, the files generated are identical to those from the vanilla CS. When people say they can't go back to the regular CS, it's an emotional statement, not a technical one. The only thing left behind is some extra data added to script sources, which are put in as comments at the end of the script so they have no real effect.


Absolutely. Do it all the time myself.


Same answer as #1. No problems at all.

At least put this in spoiler tags in the OP
But yeah, judging from that post alone, this will be the best thing for Oblivion modding since the CS itself!

Well, in all fairness, tools like TES4Edit are also invaluable (I could never have made II without it), but make no mistake about how fab it is to be able to stop worrying about so many little things (esm editing functions, save as feature, deisolation built-in, bsa loading and so on and so forth), even if like me, you don't really make use of the massive improvements for scripters, non-scripting modders will still find it enormously easier to work with.

Vac

Opinion != Truth.

You'll find that most people aren't going to take your extreme opinion to heart. While the game and the CS do have their flaws, I've yet to find anything that beats it in terms of longevity OR quality. Enjoy your boycott, for whatever that's worth.

Got the same error as popcorn71




pluggy ver. 132
without pluggy no crash

I would agree with that, but I believe there is enough evidence for it to be truth. Anyone remember how they handled the bugs in Battlehorn after it's release? Trick question, THEY DIDN'T. They knew about it, they looked into it, it was a simple fix, but they couldn't give two squirts of piss about it. That shows me right there that they don't care, so I don't either.

AWESOME CUSTOMER SERVICE GUYS, HIGH FIVES ALL AROUND. Can we expect this level of "quality" in their future games? Undoubtedly. Look at the jump from Morrowind to Oblivion, now imagine Skyrim. Worth it? You decide.

Anyways, off topic.

Shademe I love u !!

Thank you, shadeMe! :hugs: