An eight year old shouldn't be playing any Fallout game.

Agreed


New Vegas has far more mature content then Fallout 3.

And The Pitt is a damn DLC. Did it come out with the original game? No it didn't so the vanilla copy of Fallout 3 should IMO be rated Teen. Same with being able to Enslave people. We couldn't do that till one of the DLC.

I have said what I have to say.

Edit: I think I might be wrong about the Mezzing thing.

I find the position that FO:NV is as stated, night and day different than FO3, wrong.


In fallout 3, within the first settlement that you encounter outside of the vault, you can:

Pickpocket a store owner,

Drink beer,

Solicit a prosttute,

Shoot up morphine,

Rob houses,

Buy and steal guns,

Kill a sheriff,

Massacre a town,

Tweak on simulated crank,

get an addiction,

and join together with a former gang member, to rampage the wasteland.

Then, blow it all up.


Come on.

But hey don't let (I just lol'd)

Don't let that get in your way of this uh, argument about cursing or whatever.

quit saying that, you had to enslave people to get into paradise falls, the pitt had you become a slave

also an m rating has nothing to do about the maturatity of a story, setting, or lessions involved with the game, it is a rating system for people to decide what their children play, they gave oblivion an m because of all the dead bodies littering caves (the ones the necros nailed up), if thats what decided that game don't you think that the exploding heads and limbs were more than enough for fallout 3 to get the same rating?

This is how I think of this (and how I thought the discussion was going to go ):

Blowing up a town isn't a very "mature" theme. In that you're blowing up a town essentially for laughs. There isn't any real intellectual thought process beyond "lol this will be fun."

A mature theme however, would be more along the lines of forcing the town to sacrifice a portion of their populace to slavery in order to prevent the destruction of the entire town (just as a non-specific example). This then explores the human drive of survival and the ethical decision of sacrificing the few for the many.

You just said what I have already said many times now. I know Fallout 3 is full of violence and full of gore and blood. Again for the hundred time, I am not saying KIDS should play Fallout 3 or New Vegas. I am saying Teens. Then again I don't make the rules. So if gore and violence makes it M-Rated, then fine. IMO it shouldn't but oh well.

An 8 year old playing an M game? Yeah, that's irresponsible parenting. Sorry.

You might have turned out well, but not everyone is made of the same stuff, and you can't really tell when a kid is in elementary school.

I'm not a believer in the idea that games/movies/music can turn a kid into a monster. That's ludicrous blame casting, usually driven by lazy parents who want to shift blame from themselves. It can push a borderline kid over the edge, but media doesn't create criminals and degenerates. While some otherwise good parents sometimes buy their kids violent games because they don't know better, many parents buy their kids M games because they are lazy, just don't care or want to be their kid's friend instead of their parent. The former isn't really a problem, but the latter is.

You have to draw the line somewhere, though. Under the age of 10, the way kids think isn't conducive to rationalizing extreme violence as being "just a game". Buying games like FO3 and FO:NV for an elementary school kid is highly inappropriate.

Yes, I think teens are fine to play both games. To be honest, in today's day and age the "mature" rating is rather obsolete anyway. I know when I was under 18 I certainly wasn't affected psychologically by playing "mature" games. I just couldn't buy them on my own of course.

Most kids between the ages of 13 and 18 have played at least one mature rated game anyway.

Pretty much by the time a person enters High-school they should be able to tell the difference between right and wrong and real life and a video game. I would let my offspring play Fallout when they are in their teens/highschool. Thats when I started playing Fallout back in the day.

I agree with this. If they haven't developed an adequate moral compass by that point, they're probably not going to.

I count the sound of a pill popping into my mouth when I select Buffout or Mentats drug use. Just because there isn't an animation showing the drugs being used doesn't mean there isn't drug use. I'm not saying its bad and it's "OMG drugz", but that's just how it is portrayed.

Who cares if one person in New Vegas swears more in one sentence than all of Fallout 3 combined. There is still swearing in Fallout 3. But I do agree that New Vegas has more explicit material in the game.

I would let my kid play the Fallout series if he was like 12 years or older.

Yes there is prostitution. It is suggested at best but is still prostitution. You can enslave people with the mesmetron and there is even a mission to enslave children. And physco and buffout and med-x? Those are fallout equivalents steroids, pain pills, andd morphine. So Ninja'd you are.

Wait.....so this whole thread has devolved into 'cursing makes a game more mature' arguement? Seriously, what does it matter what content is in a Fallout game? If your IRL life is THAT depraved you resort to a video game to vicariously live out pill popping, six with hokers, and violence, just get over it. Seriously, this thread itself isnt very mature. If someone thinks 'cursing=mature' they're an idiot. Cursing is for people who lack the civility to use any other word that isnt offensively crude. Seriously, this thread has headed off straight into dumbsville.

Ninja'd means someone "beat me to it." It isn't used for "you were proved wrong."

I know what your saying. I mean curse words are just words and it shouldn't have any bearing on the rating of a videogame, but in this world it does. The whole violent videogame freak out that happened in the early to mid 2000's was ridiculous. Parents were blaming the violence in videogames for their children's stupidity and violent behavior. When in reality it's just the kid or the parents.

sigh, mature is a rating, it shows that people should be 17+ to play a video game in the united states, it is not mature as in socially mature

also cursing can be quite effective in many situations, its when its used in excess that it loses its impact

Yes. I agree.

Martyr said bluntly what I think needed to be said.

I know mature is a rating, but that doesn't make it mature. It just means it's expected 'maturely aged players' can tolerate it. But cursing isn't a required part of society, nor does it seldom if ever 'enhance' a situation. It's just crude. Seriously, there's no need for cursing. If it can be described without cursing, it's worth hearing out.

Yea. What if the 'correct age' to play a mature rated game was 22? Then I'd have to wait a year to be able to legally purchase an M rated game. It's just a stupid restriction.

meh i can't say i agree with you but i don't think a topic about nv and fallout 3 is the right place to argue about it (or that there is any point to argue about it really) the rating fallout 3 got wasn't so much about the droppage of f bombs, but the cruel acts you could do in it, and the overly exploding of heads. I'm really not sure why or where cursing was brought into the argument, i know that it is a sticking point for some people though (you clearly object to it) and that for some parents it maybe what puts them off buying games for their children

Glad to see your not narrow minded and give it a thought.

The entire point of this thread has gone from children under the age of 10 being allowed to play an M rated game, to an irresponsible parent which hunt, to more random cats being pulled out of bags.

Comparing Fallout 3 to N.V. with mature content wise is not that hard. You have a more detailed hell hole that is more interesting in one, over the other. The idea of saying swearing makes it mature is an odd argument its self, due to the part were it tends to be use when one does not know a larger variety of words.

Would it be wrong to buy the game for an 8 year old person, more than likely unless they have an higher iq. In that case it will not effect them very much, more or less it would an average person. Take the slaves at Cottonwood cove for instance. You can tell them to make a run for it while their slave collars are still armed, ending their lives in either a horrible or funny end. The actions you can do tend to base them selves more than what you are directed to do.

Still, would have been funny to have child killing. At least that would make a useful argument in this case, but sadly we do not.

I don't think anyone in this thread said a 13+ year old was too young.

FO:NV was more mature, but it had nothing to do with the profanity or violence. It was the narrative complexity and moral ambiguity.

And there is no concrete correlation between I.Q. and emotional maturity. Or even a particularly strong one.