I remeber when this game first came out and i was at Wal-Mart. This mom was looking to buy FO:NV for you 8 year old son and i told her Best Buy had them on speical for $40 bucks. Looking back on what i know now i would have told her not to buy this game for her son because of the mature content.

The deeper i get into FO:NV the better it becomes. I just simply can't believe the night and day difference there is from the story content from FO:3 and FO:NV. It's like FO:3 was made for 5th graders while FO:NV were made for the older and maturer crowed. For me it makes the game so much more believable. Its much darker and paints a picture how life would more than likely be like in a post apoc. world. The content is more interesting than any other game i've ever played.

I can't believe gamespot only gave this game a 7.5 they were the main reason why i never bothered getting this game. Oh well, i'm glad i have it now as its all new to me so i guess i'm lucky in that regard.

Anyone else dig the mature content in this game? You dig?

Love every aspect of this game. It's incredibly written.

Yes I do like it. I am an advlt and I want to play a game that is mature. Yeah I know there are alot of advlts that aren't mature but still. I also like it because Fallout, Fallout 2 and Tactics are also graphic and for mature people. Fallout 3 felt like it was for kids, the only thing that made it M-Rated was the gore, blood and the very rare F-Bomb.

Unless you were in Lamplight, in which-case it's the very stupid F-Bomb.

At the OP, good on you man. Seriously, Gamespot and any of these other game "journalists" are no more qualified than you or me. They play games and relay there experience, hell Styles could be a game reviewer if he had a supporting medium.

While I agree New Vegas is incredible, I sort of disagree with the general assessment of "Fallout 3 is for 5th graders."

While its true that its probably easier for a younger kid to enjoy Fallout 3 more than New Vegas (although not necessarily, I can see young kids being drawn in by New Vegas's "cooler" guns) I think there's an element to Fallout 3 that is very advlt and mature if one looks for it.

Heres the sort of thing I'm talking about:

http://www.playthepast.org/?p=459

Whoever wrote this article knows exactly how I felt about Fallout 3 and why I personally enjoyed it.

I would have been scared [censored]less by FO3 if I'd played it when I was a kid. I was scared enough as an advlt.

OP, i agree. it is written for one to explore the morals of survival and war. and i think it does a very nice job showing how viscious and brutal both can be. two quests that stick with me are rescuing the soldiers for ranger milo and i don't hurt anymore about corporal betsy. both are very short, but the dialogue and the emotional impact is very powerful. there are more quests like these, but for whatever reason, these two always stand out for me. honorable mention goes to 'the coyotes'. i found the journal quite disturbing.

FO3 is definitely not for 5th graders, as there are some very brutal elements; like enslaving random inhabitants of the wasteland. while i think the stories in FO3 are downright stupid (looking at you main quest) it is still a mature intended game; just mostly for different reasons. FO3 is brutal just because; FNV explores why humans are brutal, what motivates humans to behave in such inhumane ways.

i think new vegas has a mature storyline, although its still pretty good vs evil, they just hide it better, and make the evil choices make some sense. Fallout 3 had almost saturday morning cartoon villany in it, it was still a very mature game. also i wouldn't say fallout three should be played by fifth graders, it feels more like a survival horror game in parts

Fo:3 was more depressing and scary/bad then new Vegas IMO.

Dropping the "OMGZ nOt tEh ChilDrEN" is lame.

While I agree that New Vegas has more mature subject matter in it, I don't think that makes Fallout 3 a kiddy game. Fallout 3 is pretty violent. Not just because of the gore either. There's still drug use, slavery, cursing, and other things like that. When I was around 10 I was getting into videogames that were violent. When I was 12 I was into Fallout 1&2.

The only thing I ever thought of gross in Fallout 3 or New Vegas was decomposed bodies and things like "gore bags". That could probably make a kid wheezy. Either that or they don't understand and end up experimenting on their pets while their parents are at work.

There is no drug use in Fallout 3. We don't see it and the drugs aren't even bad for you. I don't count people smoking as drug use.

Slavery, not so much. If you could only enslave one race of people, than that might not be for teens.

Swearing? There is like a handful of swear words in the whole game. Cassidy in New Vegas says more swear words in one sentence then all of Fallout 3 combined.

There isn't even six. You pay a woman that is fully clothed to sleep next to you. Wow that's provocative.

The only reason why Fallout 3 got an M-Rating is blood and guts. It should have been rated T at best.

If Fallout 3 was made for 5th graders then why would it have drugs, a prosttute, swearing, gore and the ability to enslave people? Fallout 3 was a great game and obviously not made for children.

Edit:ninja'd

Sarcasm? Who ninja'd you?

Cause there is no drug use, there is no prostitution and very little swearing. Enslaving people came with a DLC I believe, and Gore and Blood alone shouldn't make a game M-rated IMO.

There is pretty clear drug use. True we don't see people "doing" the drugs. But there are clear references to drug habits and the like. Ex. Leo, Snowflake, raiders are also hopped up on drugs.

We never see people actually doing drugs in New Vegas either. There isn't an animation for it.


Why would that matter? Slavery is slavery, regardless of whether or not it is a specific race.


I honestly can't believe that. I've heard quite a few swear words in Fallout 3.


Sadly its generally provocative enough for American audiences. The soliciting of prostitution that is. Of course there is also minor references to prostitution, [censored], and six within dialogue.


No its there from the beginning. Slavery is actually more present in Fallout 3 than in New Vegas, in that the player can actually participate in it.

But is this really a debate on which game had more mature themes and is therefore better? I thought it was more about mature ideas such as concepts of human nature...not about which game had more drugs....

No, Fallout 3 is definitely not a game for 5 years olds.

There's plenty of swearing in FO3. Not nearly as much as in FO:NV, but still quite a bit.

Either way, neither game is fit for kids. If I saw some mom considering either game for an 8-year old I'd say something, and it wouldn't be advice on where to get it for less.

I agree that Fallout 3 and New Vegas aren't for kids. But Fallout 3 at best is for Teens. There is swearing in Fallout 3 a good amount of swearing in Fallout 3? The only person that comes to mind is Jericho.

Even then there still isn't drug use or six in Fallout 3, not IMO anyways.

My thoughts exactly.


Both Fallout 3 and New Vegas can be played (and have been played) by teens.

I like that if you let your son or daughter play an M game (even labeled M because of a small factor), people instantly label you a bad parent.

[censored], I've been playing M games all my life, and in my days where I still wore diapers and my dopey parents acted less mature than me. I turne out pretty good.

Rohough thinks otherwise however.

Three Dog drops F-bombs, and there are others.

I think it depends on the maturity of the individual. Some people mature more quickly than others and some kids can see more without becoming disturbed by it. I think before 10 years old is a little young to be playing M-rated games, but I think definitely beyond 13 years is fine (for most kids). My younger brother has played both Fallout 3 and New Vegas and he handled it perfectly. He more enjoyed thinking about which faction to join in New Vegas than shooting people in the head.

Some medician makes you stronger. Hell drinking milk makes you stronger. Vitamin D. If a kid has easy access to drugs that kids parents have more to worry about then a video game. The drugs in Fallout 3 as "bonus boosters" more than anything. Fallout 2 has people really drugged out and drugs are bad for you and so on and so on. Still I am not saying kids should play Fallout 3 or New Vegas.


Yeah I know slavery is bad, but how is it going to really screw up a person? How does that give a game an automatic M-Rating? Correct me if I am wrong but I am sure we didn't have the ability to enslave people till one of the DLCs came out. So it didn't come with the main game. Then again I could be wrong.


There are swear words in games rated Teen as well so I don't get your point. A couple random F-Bombs and the game is for 17+?


Not saying kids should be playing the games. But its just having someone fully clothed next to you. Nothing really implied. If a kid gets the idea behind it, then the parents have bigger problems on their hands.

I am not saying kids should play the game. I am saying Fallout 3 didn't deserve a M-Rating. Not in my books. But then again I don't make the laws/rules.


I am just saying Fallout 3 should have had a T-Rating. I am not saying 5 year olds should be able to play the damn games. The thing that would even make Fallout 3 deserve that M-Rating is the level of gore and blood and simulated violence. But even then if those are the only reasons then it should have just been Teen rated.

If Fallout 3 doesn't deserve it than neither does New Vegas. New Vegas isn't that much worse (if at all).

Have we forgotten the Pitt?


It was there from the start. You could go directly from the vault and join up with the Paradise Falls gang.

drug use is in it, granted they provide temp buffs. i don't think new vegas was any different in this regard

slavery is right because its available for every race? wtf kind of logic is that? if you enslaved everyone its all good right? :/

swearing, remember lamplight? also new vegas didn't have that much swearing in it really, what all of four characters were potty mouths?

as for the six what did you want? a fade to black along with some sighs and grunts? Video games rarely have anything provocative in them.

The reason fallout 3 got a m is because its a disgustingly violent game that allowed you to enslave people and sleep with a hoker, also there was a lot of [censored] cussing

edit: saw your post explaning your views, still don't think i agree with you