well, you often see prisoners who resort to homosixual six after a while in the prison, (fact: one out of five prisoners gets rap ed by another man in prison). I think anyone in the Legion territory can own a slave bytheway, I remember that in dialogue with Melissa for the 'Oh my Papa' quest you can say something like 'You'll be sold as a slave, a high ranking officer if you're lucky' to Melissa. Implying that lower ranking officers can also buy slaves.

'You'll be sold as a slave, a high ranking officer if you're lucky'
And if unlucky she might be turned into a baby momma or be used for work force.
I don't see it implying that lower ranking members can buy one as well.

And with the prison one I'm gonna repeat myself:
"Different societies have different principles that they live by, maybe "lust" is a no-no for legionnaires and are taught that their genitals are meant for procreational use only."
People in prison are not under a different society, they are still under the same society, our real world society, in which most of us are very lustful, which means that they are lustful.
So "maybe" legionnaires aren't as lustful, they are trained to be part of a military machine.
This is what I don't like about these discussions, they boil down to speculations of "what if's".
But yeah, that's my speculative argument for it, in the Legion society and culture maybe six is only used to make someone pregnant.
If so then you can't compare it to a real life prison, legionnaires might not get that craving for six as we do in real life.
With the right discipline even primal instincts can be washed away.
Maybe that's what they've done with legionnaires?
So that they don't think about "oh my god I've been in a dry spell for 2 years I have to get laid! Hmm, has Lucullus always looked this good...?" But rather "six? Why would I think about that? I'm working my ass off trying to be a good legionnaire for the son of mars to use at his bidding, I don't have time for such indecencies!"
Just cause some in our world are so six-crazy does not mean that every single human from past, present or future has to be as six-crazy.

Dunno why I argue against Legion not being gay-friendly really, I would for them to be gay-friendly. :laugh:
But yeah I see as little to support it as I do to argue against it.
So I try to take on an objective point of view right now. (But I feel like I'm doing a crap job at it. )

'The new slave girls are quite beautiful.' - Legionnairy
'You should watch out, I heared some legionnaires talking about ''trying you out''.' - Siri, if you play as a female Courier and have a high Legion reputation

this is from Legionnaires at Fortification Hill, the only Legion location where there are actually some women walking around (well, and Cottonwood Cove, but those are behind a fence). At raiding camps for example there aren't any.

They make "hellhole" areas more civilized by bringing organized power with an iron fist. Places in anarchy quickly settle down or face the Leigion. Crime isn't tolerated.

same here, I'm against the Legion dammit!

Hm, well then, I stand corrected, they are lustful then.
But are they so lustful that they turn gay after too long of a dry spell?

"same here, I'm against the Legion dammit!"
Heh, well, I guess we're roleplaying on the forums then.

Well, I think so, because I believe Veronica and Major Knight

Hm, well then, I guess we're at the end of this discussion.
I can't believe in Veronica or MJ Knight while you do.
Kinda at a dead end then don't ya think.

By the way, why was it contradiction of Legion being accepting of homosixuality anyway?

Has no one come across http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Jimmy_(Fallout:_New_Vegas)? These are Marco's (owner of the Casa Madrid Apts) words about Westside Jimmy: Him? "{Ha!}Caesar's Legion taught him everything he knows. I bet there's a pound of sand ground into his palms and knees!{Ha!} Knowing Jimmy, I'm sure he took good care of them. {Ha!}I'm surprised he ran away!"

That explain everything

I cannot believe in them, honestly


Also, the skirt argument doesnt work, most of the civilization in the Ancient Era uses them

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2 years aren enough to develop such things, if Bethesda delayed the game 4 or 6 years more

You commented on the OP about it.. tehe

:shrug:
I don't consider it a contradiction though so I fail to see the OP's point.

What the OP was saying is that if the Legion accepts homosixuality, and the legion follows the mores of ancient Rome, then there is a contradition since the Roman empire looked down on such relationships.

Which is historically true, to a degree. Rome did place more emphasis on hetero relationships and were not as open to same six male (same six female would not have been tolerated, wasn't in Greece either) relationships as ancient Greece had been (Greeks believed that a man should have a relationship with a young boy, it was the healthy thing to do). However such relationships did occur in Rome and were not openly persecuted.

I thought Caesar took the bits and pieces out of Rome that he liked.
Just cause Caesar copied it does not mean it has to be to the mark identical.

I'm not saying the OP was correct in his thinking. I was merely stating that the historical claim that Rome looked down on homosixual relationships has some merit, although I think the OP exaggerated it a bit.

The early Republic would have been the era that had a more hostile attitude to homosixuality, as male-male relationships was considered a Greek practice that was beneath a Roman to participate in. (However the Legion is not based of the early republic so it doesn't really matter)

What do you mean here, 30 years time in the game it has nothing to do with development time.

Actually to prove part of the gay thing, Jimmy in (Westside?) was involved in homosixual relations with an officer, but the officer was afraid of Caesar figuring out, so he let jimmy go in the desert.

gabriel77dan Do you just have something against gays or something? So what if the Legion hump each other or not. I didn't know that needed a discussion.

Not really, I'm bisixual myself. :shrug:
But people are going "oh but legionnaires are so gay I mean look at them, they wear skirts, are around men all the time and are sixist against women, not only that but listen to Veronica and MJ Knight!" and I didn't agree with these points and therefor discussed them.

Yeah but your choosing to not acknowledge what three different people said yet you fight for Raul and the Merchant in the Legion camp for what the Legion do with Arizona?(I know this was from another topic but just doesn't make sense how you fight for one yet ignore the other when they are using the same basic gossip) I'm not saying they are all gay nor am I saying they are gay for wearing skirts (which I think people are just joking with).

:( I dont sound like that, do I?

Raul has been to Arizona, Burton has been to Arizona, they have had contact with Legion.
Veronica and MJ Knight have not.
That's the difference, but I've already said several times in a lot of threads about this that I don't feel very comfortable discussing Arizona or civilized Legion because we frankly know squat about it and have to use heavy speculation as arguments.
So yes, I'm choosing not to acknowledge what the two of them said because for all we know they're speculating on rumors that they've overheard from travelers.
And rumors=/=facts in my book.
While Raul and Burton has had contact with Legion and has traveled through their lands (Raul, pre-Legion though) and experienced how Arizona actually is like.
Who's the third person though? Jimmy? I've never talked to him so I don't know what he has to say or who he really is.


Nah, I was in a hurry to get to work and just wrote a quick summary, sorry if it sounded like I was belittling you.

We're taking their word for it, we don't know if they actually been there. For all we know the Legion is paying them off. See how stupid that sounds? W/E believe them or not I don't really care.

And they would lie because of?
Conspiracy?

time for a more on topic post:

What I dont understand about the Legion is how the hell they built up the Legate's camp. I mean, that place is like 3 feet away from Hoover Dam, it gets kinda under my skin... The NCR just stood there and was like:
''Whaaaat? Girl, the Legate's camp isn't a threat to us girl, shoo.'' There are enough rangers watching over the Dam.. why can't they just send a pack of those to the Legate's camp?! And I dont believe it was like...

[NCR marches to Legate's camp while it's still under construction]
[Legate steps out of his tent and raises his arms and says ''HUDDA HUDDA HOO!'' and eats one of the rangers]
[NCR runs back like sissy little girls]

I just dont believe that that happened. The Legate's Camp is 3. friggin'. feet. away. from. Hoover. Dam.