controls changing in weird ways... : IV

» Sat May 28, 2011 6:47 pm

Hi friends:

I know this is probably pointless to ask without having access to my load order right now (not at home) but a strange error happened last night.

I haven't made any mod changes in a few weeks... mostly playing. I opened oblivion last night only to find that my left mouse button (normally set to "attack," or use weapon, or however it's phrased) was only functioning as a "block" key. My right mouse button was also functioning as a block key.

I went into the menu, and it reported that left mouse was set to attack... but ingame it would only block. However, if I do hold it down, it will perform a power attack. But just clicking acts as a block...

I have no idea what could have caused this, or why changing it in the main menu isn't working. Any thoughts? I'll be back home later this afternoon and if it's not sorted I'll post the load order.

Though...there's nothing bizarre in there.. mostly pretty popular well-tested mods.

Happened all of a sudden... no idea what's going wrong. But tough to play without being able to use normal attacks...

Thanks!

» Sat May 28, 2011 12:44 pm

Any ideas? I've tried a few things, to no avail.

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» Sun May 29, 2011 2:57 am

Set a keyboard key to attack and see if it attacks or blocks.
Try a different weapon.
Those are the only ideas I have.

» Sat May 28, 2011 10:56 am

Yeah, I've tried both of those. Any key I set to attack is only functioning as a block...

I've tried disabling DR, UV, Thieves arsenal, super hotkeys.... anything I can think of that would switch control keys... So far nothing is serving as a fix.

» Sat May 28, 2011 10:29 pm

Continuing on in my troubleshooting... it's possible the culprit is Crossbows of Cyrodiil, but I'm not sure. My game crashes if I try to open a save game without it active. Re-activating it allows me to open the save, but I'm still having the same problem.

Tried re-setting UV and DR ingame, but no luck there either.

.... this one is tricky.

» Sat May 28, 2011 11:05 am

Continuing on in my troubleshooting... it's possible the culprit is Crossbows of Cyrodiil, but I'm not sure. My game crashes if I try to open a save game without it active. Re-activating it allows me to open the save, but I'm still having the same problem.

Tried re-setting UV and DR ingame, but no luck there either.

.... this one is tricky.

I would add Super Hotkeys to your short list of suspects. Not that I think it's buggy - just that it is a mod whose major effect is to change assigned functions.

gtm

» Sat May 28, 2011 5:54 pm

I've tried disabling DR, UV, Thieves arsenal, super hotkeys.... anything I can think of that would switch control keys... So far nothing is serving as a fix.

Yeah, that was one of the first I thought of... no dice. Going on my 10-at-a-time list. I'll report back... grrrr....

» Sun May 29, 2011 1:42 am

Yeah, that was one of the first I thought of... no dice. Going on my 10-at-a-time list. I'll report back... grrrr....

You can do that if you like, but it's not going to be very helpful for this particular problem. See, almost none of your mods even have the capability of doing something to your key/mouse assignments. They just can't do it.

The way to go here is to uninstall UV, Super Hotkeys, and DR. Read the readmes for uninstall directions. Once they are all three successfully uninstalled, test your game and make sure your mouse buttons work correctly. (You may have to start a new game for your tests.) If everything works fine, reinstall your three mods.

gothemasticator

» Sun May 29, 2011 1:40 am

I know it sounds strange, but it is possible that Enhanced Economy may affect things like this. EE (from v 4.0 onwards) does re-arrange some mouse button assignments when you enter dialogue menus, and set them back to what it was when you leave the dialogue menu again. So it should not really affect your game, and none else have reported any problem, but it's a mod to check anyway.

Also, you should definitely upgrade EE to latest version (4.2.1) as it contains a few improvements/bug fixes compared to the one you're using.

» Sat May 28, 2011 5:16 pm

... grrr. no luck yet. tried disabling EE, no dice. also tried upgading EE. no dice.

if it helps for the diagnostic, when I first load a savegame i can use the attack button and i'll get about 4 or 5 swings in with a longsword... but then it just starts working as a block. right about the time that "screen effects has loaded" comes on the screen.... but disabling screen effects didn't fix it.

anything else that might take 3 or 4 seconds to kick in when loading a save?

I'd like to start playing again... grrr.

thanks!

» Sun May 29, 2011 12:59 am

I did have a problem with Super Hotkeys and had to remove it. It didn't switch controls around though. For me, the extension keys didn't work (ctrl, alt etc). It might have been something to do with my keyboard, which requires a driver to be running to enable a second set of keys (it's a gaming keyboard with a special movement keypad). I also had issues with the Keychain mod. I couldn't loot anything with that installed. I never did sort out what the issue was, I just uninstalled it. I know a lot of people run it, but it didn't work for me. Just possibilities to consider. My mouse also has a driver that needs to be loaded (gaming mouse). One thing I found is that I needed to reprogram some of the buttons specially for Oblivion so it could recognize them. I had to set the scroll wheel to universal scroll and the forward and back buttons to "custom button 4" and "custom button 5". It sounds like you are having an issue with the basic buttons, so I'm not sure this applies, but once again, I just thought I'd mention it...

» Sat May 28, 2011 2:57 pm

... grrr. no luck yet. tried disabling EE, no dice. also tried upgading EE. no dice.

Good to know. I believed EE's handling was safe, but I am never sure...

if it helps for the diagnostic, when I first load a savegame i can use the attack button and i'll get about 4 or 5 swings in with a longsword... but then it just starts working as a block. right about the time that "screen effects has loaded" comes on the screen.... but disabling screen effects didn't fix it.

anything else that might take 3 or 4 seconds to kick in when loading a save?

Yes, all running scripts take 3-5 seconds or so after a savegame load, before starting to run (even if they have fQuestDelayTime of 0.001), so it means that any one script could be of blame.

» Sat May 28, 2011 11:40 am

Alright - after a ton of troubleshooting - I think it was some conflict regarding Put It In It's Place (enhanced grabbing). Everything is back up and running now... good news.

2 little bits of bad news... somehow now my primary hotkeys are reporting being clicked twice or more... For instance, clicking "1" for my sword will equip and then unequip that sword... leaving me fighting hand-to-hand.

Also - and this might be related - my Super Hotkeys is being wacky. I have "shift-1" set to a healing spell. But I still have regular ole "1" set to my sword.

Hitting "shift-1" will engage my healing spell, but it also unequips my sword on "1" None of my super hotkeys work on their own, it engages that number's regular hotkey too.

Any thoughts?