Convergent skills

Post » Thu Jan 13, 2011 11:30 pm

I under stand the skills are set for the game but maybe people will feel these compromises for a mod or the next tes title.
Governing skill:
Combat prowess- effectiveness with weapons
Main skill:
One handed- effectiveness with small weapons
Sub skills:
Blade- long swords, scimitar ect
Blunt- maces, axes, ect
Pierce- daggers, hand picks ect
Main skill:
Two handed- effectiveness with big weapons
Sub skills:
Blade- claymore, dai-katana ect
Blunt- warhammer, battle axe ect
Pierce- pick axe, scythe ect
Main skill:
Marksman: effectiveness with projectile weapons
Sub skill:
Blade- throwing knives, throwing axes ect
Blunt- bolo, rocks ect
Pierce- arrows, slingshot ect
Main skill:
Pole arm- effectiveness with long weapons
Sub skill:
Blade- halbert, Glaive ect
Blunt- staff, Crescent spade ect
Pierce- spear, Trident

Fight with a dagger and you will gain exp for one handed weapons, specifically pierce, but you still effect your overall combat prowess, so let's stick with dagger say you leveled all the way too 100 only using a dagger now your gunna be a rude boy with a dagger but if your in a tight spot with a spear your gunna do allright and you'll probably do even better better if you have an axe, why, because of similarities in the fighting styles, to be level 100 in blade and be 0 in blunt boggles the mind. So I think a more in-depth and realistic approach would be to have every combat skill effect every other one. The values represent the modifiers your charcter has when weilding a set weapon, the main weapon class skill decides your base skill with a qeapon then your sub skill modifies that. This should be based of a percentage, so sticking with dagger, you gain 100% in the direct main skill, one handed, and sub skill, pierce and 50% in the connected sub skills. 30% in two handed skills, with 15% in all other skills, being gain due mainly to nerve and exsperience not so much skill. This way you level one handed all the way with a dagger and you'll be level 100 at onehanded and + 100 at pierce, you'd be level 50 at your other sub skills, because there very similar to your specialty, level 30 in two hand and it sub skills, as they are reasonably similar but but different enough to leave alot to be learnt, then only level 15 in pole arms and marksman, as they are more divergent that the straight handed skills. The reverse should happen if you level pole arm or marksman, they only effect them selves greatly and leave you at low stat for all other main skills. I believe this balances out the range boost this combat types have, making you need to specialise more in them and not have them dragged up high enough to be viable and visavursa, this amount of stacking is reasonable as if your level 100 in 1handed and 2handed you'd still only be default level 30 in Mm and Pa. If you went with 100 in 2 handed and pole arms you be level 45 in 1handed and 30 in Mm.
This gives a more believable rounded set of weapons values, with enough variation to promote character development.
You still have fewer skills but now you have sub skills to help redefine the blended skills and this way they are more realistically represented. This would work well with the blending of running and jumping, an athletic person would be a good alrounder but may specialise in a sub skill of swimming within athletics.
Thoughts?!
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Post » Fri Jan 14, 2011 12:43 am

That's a big wall 'o text there, that's what I think.

There is such a thing as paragraphs, you should look into it
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Post » Thu Jan 13, 2011 2:38 pm

Yer sorry i posted off my phone I'll edit it on my laptop asap. Sorry it's that unreadable most of it follows the same path of thought.
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Post » Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:57 pm

Yer sorry i posted off my phone I'll edit it on my laptop asap. Sorry it's that unreadable most of it follows the same path of thought.

what!? you just blew my mind. looking at my ole flip phone.

even tho I am one of the people who hate the fact that they are combining skills, it seems to be implied that there are non skill activities we can do like mineing and smithing as well as other crafting which is awesome.
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Post » Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:01 pm

Looks cool man. I'd totally play a mod like that.
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Post » Thu Jan 13, 2011 11:46 am

There is no need for sub skills thanks to perks. What's the point in a sub skill in daggers when taking dagger related perks will do the same thing effectively? Once you begin taking more and more dagger perks, you really won't be effective with any other weapon. You can still use them sure, but you won't be nearly as effective with daggers. This is effectively the same thing as having sub skills, except with a few differences.
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Post » Fri Jan 14, 2011 2:32 am

There is no need for sub skills thanks to perks. What's the point in a sub skill in daggers when taking dagger related perks will do the same thing effectively? Once you begin taking more and more dagger perks, you really won't be effective with any other weapon. You can still use them sure, but you won't be nearly as effective with daggers. This is effectively the same thing as having sub skills, except with a few differences.

I agree....i do NOT want to be a master at everything,we need to pick to our styles.
I want to have an advantage and a weakness.
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Post » Thu Jan 13, 2011 11:19 pm

There is no need for sub skills thanks to perks. What's the point in a sub skill in daggers when taking dagger related perks will do the same thing effectively? Once you begin taking more and more dagger perks, you really won't be effective with any other weapon. You can still use them sure, but you won't be nearly as effective with daggers. This is effectively the same thing as having sub skills, except with a few differences.


the quality of replacing sub skills with perks depends on the quality of the perks. some cut skills replaced with perks could be awesome with the perks, but some perks (like as the case in FO3/NV) could svck or be useless and so daggers could end up being a weapon no one uses and gets complained about. then what will the devs do, they'll drop daggers completely.
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Post » Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:24 pm

There is no need for sub skills thanks to perks. What's the point in a sub skill in daggers when taking dagger related perks will do the same thing effectively? Once you begin taking more and more dagger perks, you really won't be effective with any other weapon. You can still use them sure, but you won't be nearly as effective with daggers. This is effectively the same thing as having sub skills, except with a few differences.

Exactly. I'm not even worried about the 18 skills anymore since they're still there, only as perks. I never like the fact that I couldn't switch between swords ad axes. It's a lot more fun when you don't have to focus everything on ONE weapon type.
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