and this information that you are accurately assessing comes from??

His nether regions.

This topic is a big lol, and smells like a high school locker room.

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eh, this decade seems to lack the school life entertainment.

cheesy 80's teen movies ftw.

but I'm in college.. and it was in my astronomy lab class... :mellow:

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I am not understanding how you are helping my cause.

i dont think he is...

Pff, I see how it is. ELDER SCROLLS ISNT MANLY ENOUGH FOR YOU IS IT? Well thats just handy freaking dandy! GO ON THEN! Go play with your COOL NEW GAMES.

I love how this entire thread you've just been putting words into people's mouths.

The fact is, FPS games, especially CoD, are much more accessible than RPGs or most other genres. Most people who see gaming more as an occasional activity than a culture don't want to sit down and read page after page about stats and perks and stuff, and that's fine. CoD and other shooters are not bad, they're just not as deep as what most gamers, for lack of a better word, are used to. I loved Modern Warfare 1 and 2, they're well crafted action blockbusters, and to be honest I'd often rather have a few hours blasting people in the face rather than spend my time dungeon-crawling in Fallout or Oblivion.

But what can I expect on a forum so vehemently opposed to being seen liking something 'mainstream'.

That's not a big issue where I live. As a senior in high school I've gotten a lot better about not caring what people think than I was,say junior year. Therefore I talk about the " nerdy" games I play a bit more with friends and surprise surprise more people actual like and talk about the games than expected, even kids I would call the popular crowd. In my mind everyone's got a little nerd in them but the games you play don't define you so it doesn't make u uncool to play a nerdy game. I guess there's some games considered more socially acceptable but that's our society's issue with rationalization for our behaviors.

Wow bud, put words in my mouth much. He actually said that such games were nerd games. SO dont come here and act like Im being an ass.

More accessible, thats not true, your right they are mcuh easier to play, but most people I know who have been introduced to said games like them mroe than CoD.

I also loved MW2 a ton. But I disagree, playing FO or OB, I enjoy more than shooting a few chumps in Blops.

So this guy tells you that there are "cool games" and "cool" people play them?

And it's bothering you?

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OP I think you need to be a little bit more comfortable in your own skin

My group of friends seem to like CoD and the like equally as much as they do stuff like MMORPGs(FFXI) and/or RPGs and RTS as well. It's not uncommon to call up my best friend, ask him what he's up to, only to hear "Playing CoD, then switching to FFXI with the guys after we kill some noobs, then later tonight we playing some Starcraft". Course, it wasn't that way in high-school, Only knew 1 popular kid that actually enjoyed video games, and he also helped me found the Chess Club with the help of our Biology teacher. The rest of the kids thought gaming and reading when not required to was geeky/nerdy/stupid/dumb/etc etc.

i am comfortable in my skin. except after long hot showers. then my skin is itchy.

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! that's not what is bothering me. I am bothered by the "popular people" in general, and how they always try to make things a popular thing. why can't it just be cool for everyone? Thats what bugs me. If someone is saying a game is popular, then that is ok hence me and my friend laughing about it, and not arguing the point for so long. I was stating that "It's just another way that the 'popular people' try to make themselves popular...." read read read the whole thing.

I can already see how people are going to bash this comment as well..

p.s- I am not bashing you. I am just making things clearer

Scientific studies.

Some games are more popular than others, that's inevitable, still, I don't judge whether something is "cool" or not based on how popular it is amongst the general "popular people" stereotype. I judge it based on my own thoughts on the subject, and I suspect that a lot of things that I consider "cool" are ones those who adhere to the usual "jock" stereotype would not agree with me on, but I never asked them on the matter.

Naturally, I see no reason to choose my games based on whether or not other people who enjoy any degree of popularity think they're "cool", unless of course it happens to be that those people in question are game critics whose reviews I trust and I'm using them to determine if it's worth paying for the game or not, but that's another matter.

Popular kids/people diddnt make COD popular.

MW and MW2 made COD popular. Of course the internet, youtube, other games, movies, books, news, and other things had a hand in it also. But if anything were to take the cake, it was MW and MW2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS7hkwbKmBM

This divide between cool games and nerdy games is entirely based around the complexity of the story line.

"Cool" games have a very simple story line that can be picked up at any point without much explanation making it easier to play in a group environment as people can come and go and not really care about missing much.

"Nerdy" games have a complex story line or world that you need to be immersed in before you get to the main section of playing.

It all comes down to attention span. "Cool" people have shorter attention spans as they are doing the same thing over and over again. For example if you introduced one to D&D from the beginning and they concentrated long enough to be immersed then they would enjoy it however they do not therefore they don't. They want something that can be picked up and instantly played from any point. This is why games that require explanation are considered nerdy.

Whats a proclaimed "jock" doing in your astronomy class?

I think good words to use in terms of classifying games that often considered acceptable by society are:

accessible
general
relevant
realistic

Lets ease up on the harshness. This is starting to sound like a Skyrim thread.

See this is what frustrates me about the internet, the sense of self-righteousness that people get from bashing others. I like how you assume that "cool" people have a shorter attention span, that's just as stupid as saying all nerdy people are virgins.

It's all personal preference, I like TES games but I don't really like the dnd style games because I find there's too much going on and it takes too much time to progress. I also love COD though, maybe my attention span is shorter in games, but they're video games, so its not like thats going to hold me back in life.

Before I even say more what is your criteria for cool?

Fantasy is the problem here. Fantasy. For the same reason my dad watches movies and TV shows, but can't stand cartoons, is the same reason most people can play CoD and not stand Oblivion or Star Wars. Sports games fall into this as well. What they seek is realism. They want to vicariously experience "real life". Call of Duty, Madden, The Sims, even Farmville represent reality.

For others, I'd go as far to say for us, it's not reality we seek but fantasy. We like magic, ancient times and exotic locales. Morrowind, Knights of the Old Republic, Pokemon, and Team Fortress 2 represent fantasy. We like these specifically because they give us an ability to vicariously experience what doesn't exist.

Cool people don't freak out when someone challenges their beliefs. Instead they make a witty remark and change the discussion. Also cool doesn't equal popular, but if it did I would have to say cool people don't give two [censored] what someone on a game companies forums says to them, or don't join the nerdy forum at all.

I have been asking myself the same question. It could have to do with the way our college runs. You have to take a certain amount of classes and certain types of classes to be able to get the basic G.E. requirements to graduate. There is a bunch of science classes that you have to choose from that also require a lab class and astronomy is the easiest one. That's why I chose it as well, because I am wanting to go in the recording arts. He probably chose it for the same reason.

I like what classifications you put down. I totally agree.