Cosmos, by Calenus Saganus

Post » Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:39 am

I've decided to write this book for my book mod, and I would like the lore experts here to review it. This book is written by the Imperial astronomer Carlenus Saganus. Note that I have taken a few liberties when it comes to discussing the nature of magic itself in the last chapter.

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Cosmos
by Carlenus Saganus

Chapter I: The Shores of the Cosmic Ocean


The Cosmos is all that is or ever was or ever will be. Our feeblest contemplations of the Cosmos stir us -- there is a tingling in the spine, a catch in the voice, a faint sensation, as if a distant memory, of falling from a height. We know we are approaching the greatest of mysteries. The Cosmos is rich beyond measure -- in elegant facts, in exquisite interrelationships, in the subtle machinery of awe.

The size and age of Aurbis, the only universe we know, are beyond ordinary mortal understanding. Lost somewhere between immensity and eternity is our tiny planetary home. In a cosmic perspective, most mortal concerns seem insignificant, even petty. And yet our kind is young and curious and brave and shows much promise.

The surface of Nirn is the shore of the cosmic ocean. From it we have learned most of what we know. What lies beyond, most mortals have not been privileged to explore, but some part of our being knows this is from where we came. We long to return. These aspirations are not, I think, irreverent, although they may trouble the gods that be.

The Cosmos as we know it, is vast and layered. Our little world sits in the center of Mundus, finite and tiny compared to the eternal spheres beyond. A mote of dust floating in the vast cosmic ocean. We mortals are bound to this plane by laws of nature, as defined by the death of the Ehinofey, the Earth Bones. This, and the Aedra, who gave of themselves to stabilize this world, govern time and decay, the winds, and gravity. These laws are the root of our mortality. And yet, though we are all bound by time, we can look up into the sky and glance at eternity, for it is there above us and beyond.

Let us imagine for a moment, that we could levitate far beyond the surface of our world. What would we encounter on our journey, as we float up through the planes, or creational gradients, of the Cosmos? As we leave our planet, we enter the grey space of Mundus, and it is filled with many worlds. These worlds are the worlds of the gods and they are the gods. They are the Aedra.

Beyond Mundus, we will find the great Void of Oblivion, and in it many other worlds. These are the worlds of the Daedra, and they are the Daedra. They created worlds that are infinite and timeless, and did not give themselves over to mortality. This Void encompasses our world like a great sheet of the night, forever obscuring what lies beyond.

On the edge of Oblivion, is the border between time, creation, and pure magic. It is here that we find the stars. Like great pinholes in the night, they are the holes in Oblivion that lead to Aetherius. Beyond this veil we cannot see. We can only catch a glimpse of the realm beyond through these stars.

Imagine for a moment, that we could punch through the veil, as Magnus once did. If we were to travel through our sun, through the great hole that Magnus left when he departed our world, we would enter Aetherius. This is the realm of pure unfettered magic. In reality, entering this realm would probably destroy us. We would be unmade, as the great forces beyond ripped away our mortal flesh. This realm remains the great mystery. What lies beyond Aurbis? Do the gods themselves even know? It is here that our journey comes to an end, so let us return to Nirn, and reflect on all that we have seen.

The following diagram depicts the entire cosmology of Aurbis, layered in planes, or creational gradients. It expands outwards from our world in the center, one infinite plane wrapping around another. It is all that is and all that we know.

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Chapter II: Our Voice in the Cosmic Fugue

The story of our creation is each told differently depending on who you ask, but from all accounts, some of which are recorded in the Monomyth, a few correlations can be made, and we can consider them theoretically probable.

Mundus was created by the et'Ada, primarily those aligned with Anu, who came to be known as the Aedra. The Aedra created the races of men in their image, and gave parts of themselves so that this world may house us safely. The mer on the other hand believe they are the descendants of the Aedra -- fallible and ever degrading copies of the gods as their bloodlines are muddled by mortal existence. In a way, we are all godstuff.

It is perhaps the Dwemer who most exemplified the mer's distaste of mortal existence. Though the other mer stoically accept their place in the Cosmos, the Dwemer longed to return to their place in Aetherius. So they sought to "uncreate" themselves, by shedding their mortal forms and becoming beings of pure thought and magic. In the end they did end up "uncreating" themselves, and their race has disappeared from Nirn forever. Perhaps they succeeded, and they are now journeying through the Cosmos unbound by time. Sadly, they more likely obliterated themselves completely.

The ambitions of the Dwemer are considered profane, and none of us seek to earn the ire of the gods as they had done by seeking to build new gods or gain immortality. However, this does not mean we cannot benefit from their knowledge. We have too long been living in the dark, afraid to seek the same understanding. The Dwemer were the greatest astronomers of any age. They built great telescopes and Orreries, and their star charts are still the most accurate to this day. Had the Dwemer not sought to uncreate themselves, what other wonders could they have accomplished to this day?

It is from ancient Dwemer writings, and my conversations with the last living dwarf, that we can come to understand the concept of creational gradients. The Dwemer believed that Aetherius represented the most perfect gradient of creation, a formless gradient of pure thought and infinite active potential. From there, the creational gradients give way to formations of time and space, and the beings existing in these gradients have stronger concepts of self.

We represent, perhaps, the most distilled and crystallized creational gradient. We live in a world where thought and ideas are defined. In Mundus, the interplay of Anu and Padomay, of stasis and change, are governed by the steady tick of time. We are the anchor of creation, and without Nirn the entire Cosmos could potentially spin into chaos. Our lives are a continuous cycle of life and death, and yet we exist in boundless potential. We live in a constant state of creation and destruction, and our passions and ambitions often far exceed the those of the gods.

Chapter III: The Harmony of Worlds

Nirn may be unique in the Cosmos, being the one and only home to mortal life, but it numbers amongst the eight planets of the Divines. They exist alongside our own world in Mundus. They are the Aedra, governing the laws of nature and watching over us. These planets are the gods and the planes of the gods. Each plane is infinite. Distorted by the Void of Oblivion, they appear as spheres to our mortal eyes.

All eight planets, along with Nirn, are present in the Dwemer Orrery, and have a complex system of orbits. Nirn is the central planet on the Orrery, and it does not have an orbit, but rotates daily on its own axis. Because Nirn remains equidistant from the stars, which are fixed in their position in the firmament, it can be assumed that Nirn sits in the center of Mundus. It makes philosophical sense as well, as our creational gradient is the prime distillation of the interplay of Anu and Padomay. We can also assume that the positions on the Orrery are indeed correct, since the Dwemer were highly empirical in their research.

Of the eight planets, three are the Dominion Planets, which govern the three Guardian Constellations. These are Akatosh, the eye of the Warrior, Julianos, the eye of the Sage, and Arkay, the eye of the Thief. These planets maintain fixed positions in relation to the constellations, and follow an annual orbital path around Nirn. From studying the Dwemer Orrery at Stros M'Kai, we can see that the three Dominion planets correspond to their given latitudes on the Dwemer star charts. A diagram of the Dwemer Orrery shows these planets and their relative orbits at the end of this chapter.

Only two other planets orbit Nirn directly. These are Zenithar and Kynareth. Of the remaining planets, orbiting Zenithar is Mara and Dibella, while Stendarr orbits Julianos.

Always prevalent in the night sky, are the two moons, Masser and Secunda. These are the attendant spirits of the mortal plane, and they too are temporal and bound to the laws of mortality. They are the fragments of Lorkhan, who was divided and had his heart sent hurtling down to Nirn after the great experiment that created Mundus. Over time, they have begun to decay. To mortal eyes, they appear to fade in parts, and the back of the night sky can be seen right through them. In eras to come, they may be all but a faded memory as they pass forever into the night.

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Chapter IV: The Backbone of the Night

Now we will travel to the stars. What are the stars, and what power do they hold over our mortal realm? The stars are the pinholes to Aetherius, and the true source of all magic. They were left behind as the remaining et'Ada, the Magne Ge, escaped our plane, tearing holes in Oblivion. They are the source of all light in this world, and it would have been a dark place indeed without them, as we are encompassed by the darkness of Oblivion.

Magnus, the sun, is the greatest of these tears in Oblivion. Magnus, the grand architect of Mundus, shattered the night as he tried to escape the bonds of his mortal creation. As Nirn performs its daily rotation on its own axis, Magnus appears to rise and fall, giving us the night and day. At night, Magnus is obscured, and we can see deep into Oblivion which surrounds us. During the day, Magnus casts pure magicka upon our world and lights up the sky, obscuring the Void of Oblivion. When you stare into the sun, you are staring directly into Aetherius, into the heart of magic.

Magnus also appears to rise and fall as the year cycles. It reaches its apex in the noon sky during the month of Sun's Height, and its nadir is in the month of Evening Star. Magnus, unlike the other stars, is not fixed in its position. It moves across the firmament in a regular annual pattern, and as the sun rises in each constellation, it governs the seasons. Each constellation has a season of approximately one month. We determine the month according to which constellation Magnus is currently residing in, and this also governs our Birthsigns.

The constellations are collections of stars. The stars are fixed in their relative positions, and equidistant from Nirn. They remain fixed in their positions, in their constellations, as a form of defense from the threat of the Serpent. In theory, they could otherwise move across the firmament as freely as Magnus does. However, the entire sphere seems to follow a predictable annual rotation. They also shed a bit of magic into the fibre of each of us. Every one of us has a Birthsign, depending on which constellation we are born under, and this governs specific attributes in each of us. The effects of the constellations on our mortal fibre is fully covered in the text, The Firmament.

The Guardian Constellations are each governed by a Dominion Planet. As the stars in the firmament rotate, these Dominion planet's orbital paths follow the paths of these stars, and always remain in the same relative position to these constellations. Perhaps it is instead the stars themselves following the path of the Dominion Planets, so that the Guardian Constellations may maintain their guardianship. These constellations are The Mage, The Warrior, and the Thief, which are governed by Julianos, Akatosh, and Arkay respectively. These Guardian Constellations protect the Charges, which are constellations under their domain: The Mage protects the three Charges, the Apprentice, the Atronach and the Ritual; The Warrior protects the Lady, the Lord, and the Steed; and the Thief protects the Lover, the Shadow, and the Tower.

So why exactly do we say the Guardian Constellations protect the Charges? It is in fact quite literal. Each constellation is in turn threatened by the thirteenth constellation, the Serpent. The stars seem to have gathered into constellations according to their magical attributes. They are echos of the Magne Ge who left them. Magnus, for example, though it is a hole in the fabric of the void, is also a literal piece of Magnus himself, and effects some of Magnus' power on this world.

The Serpent is not a true constellation, as it is not made up of stars. This constellation is made up of "unstars" of which its true nature remains a mystery. These are thought to be anti-stars, that is, they are the opposite of true stars. Instead of emitting magicka into Oblivion, they are thought to "eat magic". The Serpent moves through Oblivion and threatens the other constellations. When someone is born under the sign of the Serpent, it is because the Serpent has moved into the position of the constellation that person would otherwise be born under.

The Serpent however, has equal purpose in creation. Without it, the stars would have no set patterns, and we would have no seasons. They would wander the firmament aimlessly, and their effect on our daily lives would be greatly diminished.

The Dwemer, as previously mentioned, created some of the most accurate star maps of all time. The following star map has been translated from the original Dwemer symbols.

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Chapter V: Aetherius and Oblivion

Beyond Mundus lies the Outer Realms. Of these, we are most familiar with Oblivion, and its planes have been well documented. We can see directly into Oblivion when we look at the night sky, and the denizens of this realm are frequent visitors to ours.

The Void of Oblivion was created, and is inhabited, by the Daedra. These were the Padomay aligned et'Ada who refused to take part in the creation of Mundus. Instead they created their own realms. Each Daedric plane is a world, and that world is the Daedric Prince, just as the planets are the Aedra themselves. These worlds are ever changing, but their essential character remains, as each Daedra, much like their counterparts the Aedra, are entities of concept.

These realms are inherently dangerous to mortals. We are considered small beings to the Daedra, and they derive great amusemant out of toying with us. They are not inherently evil. In fact, the concept of good and evil simply does not apply to them. Their motivations are completely alien to us, and only rest on the spectrum of morality according to our own perceptions of their actions.

The realms of the Daedric Princes have been well documented throughout time, and there has been much literature devoted to them. They are worlds that mirror the essential character of their creators. Some are quiet and inviting, like Azura's realm of Moonshadow, while others are dangerous worlds filled with fire or ice. They are infinite and impossible, and within these realms, the laws of nature do not apply. They are only mimicked according to the whims of the Daedric Prince who maintains it.

Outside of the Daedric realms, Oblivion is a cold void, filled with the discarded remnants of past Daedric creations, slowly decaying over time because their forms are no longer being maintained by an active will. The exception is the Serpent, the collection of unstars that travels across the outer edge of Oblivion threatening the stars. The Serpent is also a Daedric creation. By whose will it was created we cannot be sure, but it seems to act with a will of its own, just as the stars seem to mimic the will of the Magne Ge who created them.

Beyond Oblivion is Aetherius, and this plane remains a great mystery. We can only catch a glimpse of its glory though Magnus, which radiates the magic of Aetherius upon us daily. Aetherius is a realm of pure magic, and the source of all magic in the Cosmos. As far as we know, its state is the state of the universe at the beginning of the Dawn Era. This is the state of potential that we all came from, pure magic in its original form.

However, we must remember that Aetherius did not exist before the creation of Oblivion. It was the creation of Oblivion that defines Aetherius, just as there is no black and white before it is separated from the grey.

The inhabitants of Aetherius are the Magne Ge, those of the et'Ada who escaped the creation of Mundus along with Magnus, and broke through Oblivion to create the stars. We know nothing of them, save for perhaps Meridia, whose sphere is a great mystery itself. The Imperial Census of the Daedra Lords alludes that she may have been exiled from Aetherius and not entirely Daedric in nature. Even if this is so, there is no other contact with the Magne Ge. Those in Aetherius remain in Aetherius, and those outside of Aetherius are not allowed in.

Some myths claim that the souls of the Aedra reside in Aetherius. The Altmer also claim that this is where their souls go when they die. I believe on both accounts that this is wishful thinking. In truth, I think that the remaining et'Ada do not invite us there, and that the Aedra are exiles along with their brethren the Daedra.

It is more likely that we enter the Dreamsleeve. During my travels in Morrowind, I had the opportunity to speak with both Vivec and Yagrum Bagarn, the last known living dwarf. From their telling I have gathered that the Dreamsleeve is the aggregate consciousness of Mundus, and ultimately a delusion that forms part of our reality. It is an important delusion, and I will discuss at length in later chapters how thoughts have a very real power in our universe.

Chapter VI: Travelers' Tales

Is has been proven time and time again, that travel to the Outer Realms is indeed possible. The Daedra seem to come and go as they please, manifesting on this world and returning to their homes in Oblivion. They are of course of a higher creational gradient than we mortals, so they seem to do this with relative ease, but it is entirely possible for mortals to visit the planes of Oblivion, and we have always been capable of summoning Daedra with concentrated effort.

In fact, travel to the realms of Oblivion has happened since time immemorial. The Imperial Census of the Daedra Lords makes full account of the findings on some of these travels. We know most of the Deadric realms very well indeed. Only a few of these spheres still remain obscured to us. As for those we know, the Daedric Princes even invite us -- or should I say dare us -- to enter their realms and look upon them in fear and awe.

There are accounts of mortal travel into the Outer Realms by the Dwemer. And this claim was stated outright by Yagrum Bagarn during our lengthy conversations. It was their experiments with high magic and meditation that allowed them to astral travel outside of Mundus. Perhaps members of the Psijic Order still know some of these methods. Where exactly they went remains a mystery to this day, but we can perhaps assume that they had a good look at Mundus from the outside. They may indeed have corroborated their mathematical calculations of the movements of the planets with exterior observation.

Even more fascinating, are accounts of travel to the stars in the Merethic Era. Expeditions of the Reman Dynasty and the Sun Birds of Alinor attempted to reach the stars, powered only by magicka. We know that some of them managed to return, because they acquired samples of celestial minerals that still exist in Nirn to this day, in the great Orrery of Firsthold. The cost in magicka however is extreme, and because of this great cost, few attempts had been made to travel to the stars using these methods for centuries.

It begs the question however, why have the majority of us turned our back on the heavens for so long? Most of the knowledge of the ancient mer has been obscured. For centuries, we had not made any significant scientific progress in this area since the disappearance of the Dwemer. It is most likely their disappearance that made us fear to examine the universe we live in. The loss of scientific curiosity was a great loss to mer and mankind. We could all benefit by regaining some of the innocence of the past.

We have once again begun to take our first tentative steps into the vastness of the Cosmos. The Royal Imperial Mananauts of the Elder Council are the legacy of the Sun Birds, and have made many journeys into the Outer Realms. We have boundless opportunity to conduct further explorations, and gather more of the celestial materials for further study. Perhaps we can not enter Aetherius, but we can touch the stars, and there are whole worlds in both Mundus and Oblivion to explore.

Chapter VII: The Edge of Forever

We can be said to touch the Edge of Forever when we harness the raw elements of nature -- the pure magic that emanates from Aetherius. We are all formed by magic, and to magic we will eventually return. Magic is the essential building block of all matter in the Cosmos.

So what is matter, and what is magic? Magicka is potential energy, and this potential is released and given form through concentrated thought. Magicka can be converted into matter, and in fact, this is how all matter came to be. Matter is magic given form. This can be expressed by the equation M = mC^2, where M represents magicka, m represents matter, and C equals the constant of the speed of pure thought.

The constant C is determined by the maximum speed that can be attained by pure thought. As thought reaches the minds of beings of lower creational gradients, the speed of thought slows down. Because of this, mortals are not inherently capable of reaching thought speeds that can convert magicka into matter or vise versa. Mortals can use magicka as potential energy, and we are capable of altering matter, but we cannot create matter nor completely obliterate it.

In the creational gradient of Aetherius, or pure magic, matter can be condensed from magic and dispersed with a mere thought. The et'Ada, and by extension the beings they became, whether it be Magne Ge, Aedra, or Daedra, are fully capable of doing so. Were a mortal to approach the maximum speed of thought, our own matter would be converted into magicka, and we would quickly cease to be. Even the et'Ada could only approach the upper limit. Were they to reach the maximum speed of thought, they too would lose their sense of being and disperse into pure magicka. In fact, this is what supposedly happened to many of them before the dawn of time.

Magicka effects matter on a continual basis. Magic is what gives us light, and were it not for the constant radiation of magic on this plane, we would see only darkness. Matter has mass, and the density of matter is what causes the effect of gravity on our planet. All matter has a gravitational pull, which draws matter and magicka together. This gravity determines the orbital paths of the planets around Nirn, and each planet in turn has its own gravitational pull.

The Daedra and the Aedra are capable of manipulating magicka to a degree that is difficult for mortals to even comprehend. We can only perceive its effects. For example, Akatosh manipulates the magicka of the entire Cosmos in order to create the effect of time. Theoretically, this is done by effecting constant rhythmic change on the whole of creation, and by focusing thought, a temporal stasis is imposed on each moment, which then crystallizes that moment. It becomes a single moment in time, which then gives way to the next through the same process. It is a subject of much philosophical debate, whether Akatosh still plays an active role in the creation of time segments, or if it was something he simply set in motion. In any case, its effects are self evident.

As mortals, we are only capable of effecting minimal change on the structure of the Cosmos. Alchemists are capable of drawing the magical properties out of matter, and distilling them into liquid form. This is different from the other magical arts, as it does not require concentrated thought in order to manipulate the potential energy of pure magicka. Other forms of magic require concentrated effort, and are powered by the intentions of the caster.

Each spell is a formula -- a specific pattern of thought that can be used to channel magicka in order to effect change on nature. Most of the spells we know today were formulated long ago by the ancient mer of the Merethic Era. They were wild with their magical experiments; They took greater risks than most living mortals to this day, and as a result, have given us a legacy of magical studies.

Teleportation magic is perhaps one of the most advanced forms of magical manipulation, and is one subject of magical study that has gone through some of the most advances in recent history. Teleporting is not as simple as thinking your way from one place to another, though that it what it appears to be on the surface. In order to displace yourself in space in this manner, you must move your entire being through a single moment in time.

We mortals are not capable of stopping time, so instead, space must be bent around us, resulting in a stretching of time. Three dimensional space is compressed in a single moment, and it must be a single moment lest the surrounding forces are allowed to act and tear us apart. The effects of a failed teleportation spell can be disastrous. One could end up embedded in a floor, turned inside out, or even completely evaporated.

Most ordinary mortals are unable to perceive these extra dimensions, and so we require formulated spells in order to perform teleportation magic. It is a rare mortal who can formulate new spells by perceiving the dimensions beyond. Beings such as the Daedra, on the other hand, are continually aware of the dimensions beyond. In fact, they partially exist beyond third dimensional space and time. It is because of this that they can move through time and space with such ease.

All of this requires the focused application of thought on magicka however. Without thought, magicka only exists as potential energy. The Dwemer managed to build devices that could almost think for themselves, and so their machines could propel themselves on magicka for ages. It has also been speculated that they were able to harness the Heart of Lorkhan in order to propel their machinery without concentrated effort on their part. Lorkhan, being in a sense, the god of invention and ideas, probably maintains the essence of thought itself in his remains.

So where does thought come from? It is reasonable to assume that all thought originated in Sithis, and that this state of being has been gradually broken into concepts which had taken on the very real form of being in order to examine themselves. As each thought became concept, entities emerged, which used these concepts to create gradually smaller and more defined entities. We too are entities of thought, and equally capable of examining ourselves and the universe, though on a much smaller scale than the god-like beings that came before us.

The gods themselves are the embodiments of one or more concepts, and they are each defined by that governing concept. They are limited in their thinking, as all their thought is defined by the set of central concepts they embody. They are the concepts they embody, the forces of nature themselves. Were they to choose, or be forced to embody a different concept, the very nature of that god would change. This perhaps explains such myths as the transformation of Trinimac into Malacath. It is also for this reason that the et'Ada are no longer. Their actions during the end of the Dawn Era altered every one of them so significantly that they each became Aedra, Daedra, Magne Ge, or Shor.

We are unique in a very important respect. Nirn on the other hand, and by extension mortal kind, were built to embody all the known concepts in the universe. The et'Ada all gave parts of themselves, even the Magne Ge left pieces of themselves in the stars, and these define our character to some extent. The Daedra, even though they refused to participate in our creation, also lend their concepts to us on a regular basis. We mortals are not limited to a handful of concepts and exempt from the others. We are able to think freely on all matters, and we are, each and every one of us, a careful interplay of all things in the universe.

For we are the local embodiment of a Cosmos grown to self-awareness. We contemplate our origins, godstuff pondering the gods; organized assemblages of matter and magic, endowed with consciousness. We speak for Nirn. Our obligation to survive is owed not just to ourselves but also to that Cosmos, ancient and vast, from which we spring.


Sources:
Cosmos, but Carl Sagan
http://www.imperial-library.info/astro/
http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/cosmology.shtml
http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/monomyth.shtml
http://www.imperial-library.info/pge3/arena_supermundus.shtml
http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/census_daedra.shtml
http://dwemerstudies.wiwiland.net/planets.html

Edit: first amendment.
Edit2: second amendment.
Edit3: third amendment.
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Post » Wed Sep 22, 2010 9:46 am

good. However, there are Mananauts and Sunbird explores who HAVE left nirn to visit other ealms, and it happens fairly regularly. And nirn isn't Cosmically unimportant, it is the Anchor of all existence (according to the loveletter.)
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Post » Wed Sep 22, 2010 9:18 am

Ah, I didn't mean to imply that Nirn is cosmically unimportant. I will perhaps alter the tone just a touch.

I also only tentatively mentioned the Sun Birds. That whole section "Travelers' Tales" is a bit sparse at the moment, while I gather more info. I will likely add more info regarding the Mananauts in my next draft. :)
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Post » Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:42 am

Interesting read, read the whole thing. I liked it. :)
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Post » Wed Sep 22, 2010 8:32 am

I've made the first amendment. Info on the Imperial Mananauts has been added, and some other small tweaks have been made.
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Post » Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:18 am

I like it. Admittedly, I didn't read much, because I'm watching my favorite movie at the moment, but I like what I read.

I say, go for it. Just look for places where you might needlessly repeat yourself, but it is good as it is. It is your character's private study, afterall. Whatever minor mistakes can be found, can be attributed to being penned by a mortal.

Another source:
http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/census_daedra.shtml
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Post » Wed Sep 22, 2010 1:03 pm

By who's


By whose*
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Post » Wed Sep 22, 2010 12:47 pm

Thanks, I will make that correction. In the meantime, I've added a portrait of Carlenus Saganus to the OP. It was taken in-game.
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Post » Wed Sep 22, 2010 6:29 pm

Great read. The only thing I can comment on is the length - It may be a bit too long to have in just one book/volume in-game. Have you thought of splitting it up into three books instead of one with seven or more chapters?

I think that goes well with the aesthetic of the game(s).
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Post » Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:07 pm

If I find I reach the character limit, then yes. I hope it will all fit though. I like a long read in the game. Most of the books available are way too short.
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Post » Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:01 am

I think why the developers break up many of the longer books in-game into a number of volumes is because they don't won't the player to get bored - Keeping it short and sweet.

That's just a matter of opinion though.
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Post » Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:00 pm

This is the realm of pure unfettered magic. In reality, entering this realm would destroy us, as it probably destroyed the ancient Sun Birds, who attempted this very journey.

I think that they managed to return safely otherwise they wouldn't be able to bring back the celestial mineral from which the Orrery in Firsthold is made.
Nice reading, though.
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Post » Wed Sep 22, 2010 3:12 pm

Interesting read, I like it.

Though it seems to me some concepts, like the Dreamsleeve and so on aren't really well-understood by mortals (even a mortal scientist). Perhaps the author managed to speak with the likes of Yagrum Bagarn and Vivec (hell, even Mannimarco- he seems pretty on the ball in Where Were You When The Dragon Broke about metaphysics and junk) while researching the book?

Plus, I don't think Meridia is ever outright stated to be an exiled Magna Ge (I think the most we get is "wayward solar daughter"). I feel that some things like that should maybe be implied to be an educated guess or an allusion by one of the above sources rather than outright fact (even though it is).
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Post » Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:16 am

Thanks, I will make that correction. In the meantime, I've added a portrait of Carlenus Saganus to the OP. It was taken in-game.

He reminds me of Edward Scissorhands.

Magna Ge (I think the most we get is "wayward solar daughter")

I agree. I think implying the relationship is the right way to introduce the idea. Stuporstar, you might reference a fellow researcher's [fictional] work, in which they make the case; the 'Wayward Solar Daughter' is a rebel Magna Ge - from which we derive Magnus' Get, or the Children of Magnus. Just an idea.

I think that they managed to return safely otherwise they wouldn't be able to bring back the celestial mineral from which the Orrery in Firsthold is made.

Yes, the Mananauts and Sunbirds were successes, but their patrons realised, using magic to reach magic was a monumental waste. For that reason, expeditions to Aetherius have been placed on indeffinite hold. The Mananauts are still involved with other, outer realms, as the Imperial Census of the Daedra Lords shows.
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Post » Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:50 pm

He reminds me of Edward Scissorhands.


That's Carl Sagan's real face. It gets a bit distorted wrapped around an Imperial head mesh though. It's the hair isn't it. I really need to find a better hair.

I've made my second amendment, and taken all things mentioned here into account.

Meredia has been alluded to, rather than outright stated. I also mention that he had the opportunity to speak with Vivec and Yagrum Bagarn, which I had kind of intended but failed to mention previously. Also, the Travelers' Tales section has been once again overhauled.

Edit: I have another question for you all. What do you think Carlenus Saganus' position would be in the Empire. I mean, he's essentially Carl Sagan on Nirn, one of the most beloved scientists of our age. He not only has a knack for understanding the tougher questions of the universe, but he's a philosopher and a poet, with the gift of helping other people come to the same understanding by phrasing things in just the right way. He doesn't obscure his speech in overly technical phrases, but explains the world as a loving father would to an older child, because he wants everyone to feel the same sense of wonder and great responsibility.

What orders or colleges do you think would he be an honored member of?
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Post » Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:12 pm

What race is he? Breton? Perhaps a mages guild who has spent some time in the Imperial Orrery, or if he is an elf make him the Empire's Psijjic advisor. He could call himself "Imperial Astronomer of the Guild of Mages", "Astronomical Imperial battlemage", "Imperial Mananaut Instructor", "Imperial Moon Base Factor" or any other such creative title.
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Post » Wed Sep 22, 2010 3:22 pm

His name would suggest that he is an Imperial.
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Post » Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:17 am

i first thought he was an imperial, but, well, http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/9780/carlenussaganus.jpg

compare that with http://www.oblivionportal.com/info/images/imperial.jpg. it just doesn't work for me.
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Post » Wed Sep 22, 2010 12:38 pm

The College of Winterhold?
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Post » Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:42 am

i first thought he was an imperial, but, well, http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/9780/carlenussaganus.jpg

compare that with http://www.oblivionportal.com/info/images/imperial.jpg. it just doesn't work for me.


Yes, he's definitely Imperial. It's actually an Imperial head mesh from Morrowind.

I'm curious. What would be in Winterhold for him?
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Post » Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:12 pm

good. However, there are Mananauts and Sunbird explores who HAVE left nirn to visit other ealms, and it happens fairly regularly. And nirn isn't Cosmically unimportant, it is the Anchor of all existence (according to the loveletter.)

I'm likely misinterpreting this, but didn't the Et'Ada's existence predate Nirn as we know it?
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Post » Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:21 pm

didn't the Et'Ada's existence predate Nirn as we know it?

Yes. When Mundus came around, then we had the categories of spirits came around, and Et' Adas were pretty much shuffled into Magna Ge, Aedra, Daedra, Shor, Mortals, and so on depending on what they did when Mundus came around.
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Post » Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:12 pm

Mundus was already there, Nirn came next. All the et'ada convened in Mundus, before Nirn.

Aetherius is created, when the void separates it from Mundus.
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Post » Wed Sep 22, 2010 1:20 pm

I've decided to make that a little clearer in the article. I've posted the 3rd amendment to the text.
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Post » Wed Sep 22, 2010 10:07 am

when your done editing, make sure you submit it to the Imperial Library's FGS.
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