So CHIM is when you realize that you are in the dream of a great being, which allows you to lucid dream and shape reality around you. But to achieve it, you must first understand it. Now, seeing as the lore forums (and other) are aware of CHIM, if we suddenly appeared on Tamriel, could we all achieve CHIM and do what Talos and others have done?


On another CHIMy subject, if you can CHIM and alter the enter existence around you, could you even maniuplate/create/destroy/become a Daedra? Apparently it's possible to become a God (Tiber-Talos) but could the infinitely-powerful Daedra be affected by a CHIMed-up person?

If you achieve CHIM why would you want to become an et'Ada? You are functionally of a higher strata than they are. Also, Daedric Princes are only infinitely powerful within their own realms, that is to say, within their own bodies. But yes, functionally someone who has achieved CHIM could affect a Daedric Prince in ways otherwise not possible.

There is a difference of knowing of CHIM, and achieving it. The realization that we (speaking of a Tamrielic "we" here) all part part of a dream is in itself just abstract knowledge, nothing more. Think about it: Does your daily life really differ based on that knowledge? Will you act differently, think differently etc. just because you abstractly know it? Most likely, your mind will register it as a mere factoid, and that's that. But to achieve CHIM, you really have to understand that fact, immerse yourself in it, with all your fiber... while at the same time maintaining your ego. You have to realize (not just know - intuitively, fully realize) that you are just part of a dream, that you are all we, while at the same time just as much intuitively realizing that you are your own person.

So... I'd say no. The vast majority of us would not achieve CHIM. Many would zero-sum; most wouldn't even get that far.

Indeed. The Lessons suggest that one needs some level of divine power to even be able to contemplate CHIM. Talos had this inherently due to his status as Dragonborn. Vivec acquired this quality through her/his use of the Heart of Lorkhan. Presumably, you'ed have to become a potent mage first, then seek out and exploit a fragment of divine power to achieve a semi-divine status, and from this 'perch' meditate on the nature of reality until you either zero-summed (very likely) or achieved CHIM (very unlikely). So, theoretically anyone can- indeed, that's the purpose of Mundus, to be the Arena by which mortals are inspired to overcome their limitations- but in practice less than a handful have ever succeeded, and likely ever will. Not because they were destined too and the rest of us are just mere mortals, but because its just that hard.

I found CHIM last week underneath some old magazines in the attic.