So pretty much the Capital Wasteland BOS. Since they are willing to fight for the people of the wasteland and also have a lot of technology from the defeated enclave and the pentagon, plus they pretty much rule the Capital Wasteland. The only problem is the fact that they are on the other side of the country.

Another major problem is the NCR out numbers them about 10,000 to 1 (maybe a couple thousand more). Another being NCR controls all of California, parts of Oregon, Northern Nevada and Baja Mexico and into the Mojave while Lyons only controls the city of Washinton DC. Also Lyons only controls about half a chapter all with T-45 power armour. NCR has got their hands on Enclave tech as well, IE the Vertibirds and what every else from Navarro. NCR could also have the Shi as part of NCR or Allied with them so there is even more advanced tech.

MWBoS have been around for 80 years plus. They let in outsiders, mutations and have the Calculator army (ending to tactics pending). Still we have to learn what state they are in. All we know is vage "Fallen on hard times."

Firstly, I think Lyons has more than half of the chapter, I think more around 80% stayed with Lyons.
Secondly, I don't think Lyons' BOS can defeat the NCR as of right now, since they have only been in one game. Here's the thing, I think given the time, Lyon's BOS could become the next great country to come out of the ashes of the United States, after the NCR and the Caesar's Legion. They have the only known source of clean water on the East Coast. I do believe that over time, the cities in the Capital Waste land will join together under lyons' BOS, with the BOS becoming the military arm of that country. They could become the East Coast superpower.

Yeah as of right now Lyons' BOS would be defeat by the NCR.

The Brotherhood would never nuke anyone. Not even the West Coast BOS. They may be unreasonable but aren't an Enclave.

Ok he has 80% of a chapter. Clean water is all over the place in the west and midwest but for some reaons not in the DC area. Maybe one day the CWBoS can make an empire, the "next great country" but Lyons will be long dead by then and Sara an old women. NCR and Legion will be even more powerful, or one may win out over the other. I just don't see the CWBoS every become powerful enough to win out against NCR. There is also the MWBoS, that have been around for 80 plus years. Let in outsiders and had Armies, not even the original BoS had armies. Also isn't Lyons people "peaceful" as in they don't go around taking other "hard working peoples [censored]."

Anyways I think the OP just wants us talking about Factions from Fallout and Fallout 2.

It's not about them maybe doing it. Its that they have the resources to win.

You are basing this one what? The MWBoS used a Nuke

About the water, as I said in another topic, my theory is that the Chinese used nuclear bombs that I have a high explosive yield and leave little radiation behind, because it was a surprise attack. For the East Coast, they used nukes that would have a lasting radiation effect and have a lower explosive yield, since they knew that people would find out that the west coast was gone and attempt to hide in vaults and nuclear bomb shelters, and screw them over. That is my theory, though I have little proof, like how most of DC is still standing.

Your other point, yeah people age and die, so a change in leadership will happen, their goal can change into a similar one as the NCR's, try to get as much land and resources as possible to sustain their population. And the MWBoS have "fallen on hard times", we don't even know if they have any power left in the region. We know nothing about them after what happened during Tactics.

Your right but I don't think they killed anyone with that explosion. Also it was to stop the machine or whatever they were trying to stop. They didn't use it as a weapon but as a tool.

True but Fallout 3 was pretty vage on it. "Hard times," I like to think that the MWBoS did not want to be found and Lyons really did not care about finding them. So he jut bough into the idea that they were almost gone. I for one want the Barnaky Ending to be the canon ending.

Still it would be a very long time before CWBoS can form DC into a power house and then expand. By then Lyons will be dead, his daughter old and NCR much larger and stronger.



I don't think anyone died in the blast but people died getting the nuke ready and when the BoS had it moved to a bunker. They used raiders,slavers and beastlords to move it and they all died from radiation. They also have labour camps and so on. If any BoS group would use a nuke to kill people, they would.

I don't see any reason keeping the Western BoS from using one other then they don't care about running, other factions/settlements. If they had a nuke they would most likely just study it and keep it. If pushed I can see them using it.

NCR could by that time collapse and become a few city-states,like how it was before the NCR gained power.

And I never said that Lyons would not die, or his daughter becoming old, that happens to even the best of us,hell if Bethesda wants, they could make the Lone Wander the next elder, and he could unite the Capital Wasteland a hell a lot faster, because of all the good he did. Who knows except the writers at Bethesda.

Legion can mr.house can and enclave could if it wasn't for that stupid tribal

House can't, I think there even was a line informing us his stupid robots have a very limited range. Besides that, he can't replace losses because it's impossible to manufacture more. He doesn't have any human troops, because where would they come from? No mercenaries are going to attack the NCR, simply because they can't win. The people of Vegas don't like him, and they certainly don't like him enough to die for him, so no help there either.

Legion can't, since they would need to send ever single soldier to the NCR and that would need supply lines, which can be cut off.
Mr.House doubtful, since he only has robots at his disposal, meaning a EMP would render them useless. Plus I really doubt the 3 families would want to fight the NCR, that is where their money comes from, and the same goes for House as well.
The Enclave only had a few thousand members, how can a army of a few thousand in power armour and lasers beat a army with 10s of thousands of soldiers with guns and explosives? Power armour is strong, but it has the same problem as the robots, it can't withstand a EMP. The only way the Enclave could win is if they used their airborne virus, which we don't even know would work, the way they want it to work.

That is assuming that they need supplylines, and I wonder if that is the case. All they need is food and water and that is aplenty in NCR, just loot and plunder. Oh, and murder all the women and [censored] all the men.

The NCR on the hand certainly need supplylines and on top of that need to use resources to protect their civilians. It has been done before repeatedly in real life.

And emptying the homeland? Not a problem, the Legion dont have anything they need or care for back home. They are a warlords wetdream. I t wont last, but as long they defeat the NCR it doesnt matter.

They'd also need:
Bandages for the wounded
Ammunition (worst comes to worst you scrounge off of dead soldiers)
New guns if the old ones wear out
Clothes (unless you want to run around naked)
Maps of the area
Armor



I would argue that the NCR are more prepared for an invasion than the Legion are to attack. The NCR has multiple forts, guard posts, convoys, lookout towers, bases, and spies to be able to at least slow down, if not completely halt the Legion advance.

The Legion could do it.

I wouldn't be so sure. The Legion may be well trained and numerous but they are primative and would not be able to march there forces all of the way through the NCR and keep more than a handful alive.

I disagree about them being primitive. They are primitively clothed, yes, but they aren't like cavemen or anything. And it doesn't even have to be The Legion, it could be a different faction.

But my answer is yes, with enough time, strategy and men, NCR will fall

Lmao please, like [censored] hell they could. The legion is already suffering from a leadership crisis with the death of Caeser coming up soon, and even if the Courier saved him that's only prolonging the whole thing considering he didn't have clean hands, modern medience, etc. Talk to Vulpes Inculta, he has concerns about Legates command style and doesn't fully support him. As a matter of fact Legate doesn't even like the intelligence services! What kind of stupid [censored]? If it weren't for Inculta the Legion would have no chance in hell of winning the War let alone taking the region. And even if the Legion wins the Mojave how the hell would they move on. Think about it for a second, they destroyed Nipton, nuked Searchlight, killed Nelson, and Novac as sure as hell isn't going down without a fight. Then under Legate they just go ahead and kill everyone in Vegas! They don't even have slaves anymore!

Just go talk to Legate Lanius with a high speech and barter at the end. If the Mojave is the death yard of the NCR it goes the same for the Legion. It takes the full force of NCR caravans to supply the place and they're economy is two times the size. If the Legion goes into the Mojave one NCR battaltion would be all that's needed to [censored] with THEIR supply lines. All the time the top generals in New Mexico, Colorado etc are all getting ideas about power, and hating Lanius for running the Legion dry. And with no instant communications like the NCR those places are only that much more far away, and that much more likely to break apart. Hell even Lanius himself talks about the Legions' fight for Denver and the lack of slaves and resources, how that almost destoryed the Legion. Now take that, now add the worlds strongest army, with the worlds largest population, with the worlds largest economy, and full of nationist pride.

But don't believe me? Ok then how about this.


J.E. Sawyer

Who the hell are they gonna take from the Mojave to move onto the NCR? The childless towns of Goodspring and Primm? The dead towns I've already listed? The drugged up orphans of the slums? Wow that's going to destory a republic :rolleyes:

The only thing that could destory the NCR is itself.

I meant that they use machetes and spears over guns for some odd reason, they certainly are not cavmen. I'm just saying the Legion isn't nearly as powerful as some believe, it wouldn't take too much to make th whole thing collapse in on it's self.

The NCR will fall with time, if not from another faction then from itself. If it collapses into a Civil War then the Legion can easily take over s piece of it but would be stretched far to thin to take over the entire area.

The legion are more prone to captiation tactics than the NCR. Take out Ceasar and the legion will begin to fall.

Also the Legion would need to take each town essentially in street fighting - WMD's and even basic tanks are not Ceasar's thing, with him its ground pounders or bust. I can't see them successfully raiding vault City, NCR City or Junktown with their defenses.

That's just the game. If your thinking real there would be children in Goodprings, Primm, everywhere. So that idea is out the window.

And trust me if the Legion took Vegas and moved the majority of there men there they could easily take over California, it might take a while but it would happen.

What part of Legate kills everyone don't you get man?

Killing everyone is a good thing.