It woudl be good if you quoted the posts you reply to, just a side note.

Your sports anologue doesn't make sense in the context we are talking about. It would be like "If an owner of a franchise hired a chef to develop, would it be different" or "if a dev releases some programmers, and hires some CGI artists". That's not at all what we're talking about. Sports teams are different from what we talk about, they're comparable to the dev team but not on the final product. What your saying is, "would ManU be as effective if they changed their coaching and the team to a one fo Lichtensteins national league". That's not what we're talking about. Not in the slightest. We're using the "coach and the team" for referencial purposes. In this case, those are perfectly capable of good results. Would you be a fan on ManU if they decidedly left under the playioff line?

I originally wanted Fallout to be GURPS too, but I am lenient with the choice of a system as long as the gameoplay delivers, and it did. I would've liked to see the SPECIAL deliver in Fallout 3 as well, it so happened it didn't as it was turned into something it certainly was never intended to be. What can I say? It was turned in... full of [censored], and didn't improve enough with New Vegas. It wasn't even close to what it was as it was turned into something superficial as opposed to something defining.

Like I said, I'm a fan of Fallout. First and foremost. I've never been a fan on another series as much. I've never awaited for a sequel to another game as much, so obviously I will be stating my opinions at an official Fallout forum. But hey, if (and when) Fallout 4 turns out to be a [censored] first person shooter with a [censored]load of dungeons and no consistency or coherent storyline, you will see me no more if you're still here at that point. I can promise you that much. I'm still expecting Fallout 4 to be half decent, and that the criticism is taken into account, but I do not put any hopes for it. Any.

Tis hard for me to quote at times because I use my phone. I live in an area where there is no high speed internet. Yes, they still exist.

The sports anology is same ballpark. Both have fanbases that are..at times just a littke bit overboard. Sports though, can rapidly change.

What I do not like is people who complain and don't offer up anything constructive. I complain, but I offer up what I disappointed with and make suggestions. Your posts are not as bad, I can live with those. It is posts like this:

FO3 svcks. Beth svcks.

FO2 is the win.

And special system. How is special defining in FO1 and 2?

Now as far as combat goes, perception and agility fairly important. There are perks that have requirements in all games.

But in FO1 and 2, Charisma pointless. Note, if you want followers in 2 you could just eat buncha mentats. But, I could still make a CHA 10 character who rocks in combat. So, I'm not really sure what is defining. Unless you had INT 1. But INT 1 would blow in FO3 also.

It makes me think some people have this nostalgia thing...cuz none of these games are hard. I would even say NV and then 3 would be the hardest. But regardless your special, I can win the game. But, IMO, special, perks, and skill define your character, not one or the other. Some combos just better say if you want to focus on combat.

What is the one thing you want the most in FO4? If it is a rpg and everything else would be about the same? For me, it would be story.

as far as the sports anology is concerned, to me it's more akin to if a sports team for eg Man Utd decided to scrap being a football club and change to a Rugby club

To continue with the sports anologies:

I'd say that calling Fallout 3 a Fallout is kind of like calling American Football 'Football'. It is official and many people will call it this, but it still makes no sense considering there are only about two occasions that you kick the ball in the American version.

Not to mention the "ball" is not even a ball.

I just lol'd my brains out while this goes against everything I stand for and this is a case of sheer exaggeration qnd dinosaur bravado ...it was comically brilliant.

I agree there is a few people who.just seem.to outrigh hate beth *cough* KyleM .
And people have some rose tinted glasses when it comes to.fallout 1&2 same as newcomers have to fo3 but you'll never catch a dinosaur (hate that term) say that and fo1 and fo2 are in not in anyway hard games.

It's cool for "dinosaurs" to hate on bethesda and fallout 3 to them it just increases there fallout inches.

No one that calls themselves a Dinosaur hates Fallout 3. KyleM and Arya Stark do not call themselves Dinosaurs.

Also there are far more people that have rose coloured glasses about Fallout 3. Like you for example. You flip out more often then not if anyone even makes the smallest criticism of Fallout 3.

There are far more people that bash the old Fallouts and New Vegas yet never even played them. They simply dismise them out of hand cause "Bethesda didn't make them" and "They are old (well not New Vegas)." Lucky for the forum most of those people are off playing Skyrim for now. But they will be back sadly.

I just said In the last post that newcomers have rose tinted glasses when.it comes to fo3 and I was a newcomer to.fallout with fallout 3 and flip out exaggeration much and when have I ever bashed fallout 1 and 2 there great games i.love em' just not the people who call themselfs dinosaurs and laud it over other fallout fans.

I don't really hate Fallout 3, I have fond memories of it, It's just easy for me to give it lots of [censored], I can't hate something that got me into Fallout and gave us New Vegas, but I am overly critical of it.

And I do not consider myself a dinosaur.

Amd it's nice to see I got a reaction out of you styles.

No you haven't bashed the orginals as far as I can remember. But the Dinosaurs don't hate Bethesda or Fallout 3. You are lumping in people that don't even call themselves Dinosaurs into the group.

Edit: And see KyleM doesn't even hate Fallout 3. For most of the Dinosaurs (KyleM doesn't consider himself one) Fallout 3 was their first Fallout. They played the Originals and they realised what Fallout 3 was missing, but they still enjoyed Fallout 3. You never forget your first

I enjoy Fallout 3 if I am in the mood for it, which is not very often, but I cannot enjoy it as a Fallout game, I just can't.

Oh and I don't hate Bethesda either, they have some talented people there, I just don't like Todd Howard.

I see toxic levels of beth bashing on these forums so it's not all that easy to just take your word as fact.
And why is it much easier to crap on fo3/beth then to praise em' as kyleM and you have stated in the past.

Because there is so many obvious things that are wrong with Fallout 3, while Fallout 1, 2 (mostly 2) have issues that aren't nearly as glaringly obvious.

Granted there is some things wrong with fallout 3 but not "so many" and they are all.things that bend rather than brake lore/logic. I just think people like to moan at the end of the day I am almost never critical of any fallout game.

And I have seen toxic levels of Orginal and New Vegas bashing so it works both ways.

If it wasn't for us dinosaurs and others with somewhat similar views, I have a feeling the Originals wouldn't even be talked about on here. At least not with any clarity. It would just be some people from time to time going "I read this on wiki" type talk.

I'm not joking I can't remember the originals ever being bashed.

Jesus it's 5 am.

I absolutely love fallout 1 and think it is perfect, but I loathe 2 and feel it went way too far in areas of the game and lacked a really cohesive world. 2 is definitely my least favorite of all the games.

Really? Then you don't spend enough time on here. The regulars around here don't which is good cause by now pretty much everyone has played them

I also think you have an over reaction to what is bashing and what is just criticism. No offence meant by that.

I've been on here pretty much constant for 2 years over about 3 accounts and never once seen the originals bashed.
Maybe I overreact but it just feels like fo3 gets bashed/criticised every day I just get sick of it.

So you have never once seen the topics and posts about people going on about how the Originals are old and out-dated and therefore they are crap. I have seen people say that since Bethesda didn't make them they shouldn't even count.

Also since alot of people say New Vegas is alot like the Originals, New Vegas gets flack for that.

I can recall someone calling them gay because of there graphics etc but i'm not sure if I made that up

to be fair i have seen more topics of people asking how to play the originals than i have seen topics that bash them.

I see that there are more people who are willing to give the originals a try than there are those who outright bash them without playing them.

That is just my personal observation, though, from lurking the forums the past two years or so.

All I can say is that we Dinosaurs don't hate Fallout 3. We enjoy Fallout 3 for what it is. I myself played it pretty much none stop from the day it came out till about a month before New Vegas came out. I didn't buy any other games in that whole time. So I did enjoy it and I don't hate it. Like I said many of those that call themselves Dinosaurs started with Fallout 3 but then went out and played the originals. So to say we do nothing but bash Fallout 3 and Bethesda is an overreaction. We have our critisisms of the game and yeah we can be prersistant with them, but that alone isn't bashing IMO. I only know of one semi-ragular member that hates Fallout 3 and Bethesda.


I agree that there are alot of people asking about the Orginals. When I first joined two years back that didn't seem to be the case, but now the orginals are cheap and can be downloaded from steam alot more people want to play them. Those that come on here bashing, some do give into peer pressure and play them