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This skyrim mod made me thinking, could the dwemer lore wise happened to invent the rifels, i mean they were kind an age/centuary/something ahead of the rest of the races , and tes right now seems for me the be at the begining of middle age (empire hasent still fallen though but it is falling ) i mean the next great invention at the middle age was the rifle , could the dwemer invented that lore wise?

I'm not entirely sure about that.

However, what I am sure about is that there's nowhere mentioned that the dwemer have managed to create guns. It's an eternal debate that ends up in a firm no from all most TES fans, both on aspects of gameplay as well as lore. If someone creates a gun in TES lore, then it is possible to do it on Nirn. So as long as no-one creates a gun in TES lore, it won't be possible to do in TES.


Edit: Of course not all TES fans say no to guns, thus changed to "most"

Thanks for the answer

Considering the Dwemer built a god/Tower, I think it's safe to say they were a little more than just a century ahead of the other races. Even on an Earthen scale, they were more advanced than us. And yet they never made guns.

It's foolish to think that technology in a universe like the one in the Elder Scrolls series would progress technologically the same way as Earth.

Plus, it kind of ruins the setting that makes the series so popular if guns are added to the mix.

they had gunpowder, or something similar to it (dwemer statchel charges in tribunal) so i suppose they could have


fortunately that option went away when they disappeared, id hate to see guns in TES

I like to imagine that one industrious Dwemer did design some kind of gun. His fellows consigned him to Falmer feeding duty for his foolishness while they continued to use Destruction magic.

Such frivolity of thought, for thought.

Yet no, the Deep-Ones had no such designs. Too practical a thought, since what they desired was beyond all need for praxis.

It's kinda hard to imagine them not inventing firearms.

Careful. That's "Deep Elves" or "Deep Folk." The "http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Bible_of_the_Deep_Ones" are something quite different, or so we can assume.

Maybe giant metaphysical cannons designed to shoot Earthbones into the sun to wage war into Aetherius. But handheld guns? Bah.

"Bah" is probably what they would have thought about them. Maybe somebody came up with the idea and built one, but the wider audience discarded it as an idle curiosity?

When dwemer were still on Nirn, the snow elves weren't the beasts you see them in the present day. There's no evidence of a gun, or anything similar to a gun, ever being created in the entire Mundus. Note: If they ever did manage to create it, it'd mean it is indeed possible to create one in the TES universe. As long as one isn't created though, it isn't possible. Which is the case: Creating funs cannot be done in the elder scrolls.

Explosions exist.

Tubes exist.

Small, heavy masses exist.

Very possible.

But why bother, when accruing mythic stature is more cost-effective in the long run?

They possibly could, but it's not a thematic fit with the rest of TES lore, so it would never happen. And as said, the Dwemer in particular had other, loftier aims.

They did build crossbows. Like Velorien said, there's no reason to assume that Nirn's technological advances would match ours. There's little point in the dwarves building guns, because they had robots and magic for weapons.

I think they have, just not the type we're used to. They're guns probably shoot balls of logic that turn the desired target into emotionless automatons ready to serve the Dwemeri Goal.


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Some Dwemer probably did invent a gun of sorts but was laughed at and ridiculed by his peers as they unleashed Destruction magic to show him how useless and unneeded the invention was after seeing him use it once and proclaim it worthless thereafter or watch him stand there for minutes trying to reload. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_lance were not http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand_cannongenerally we think of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arquebus or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musket. Gunpowder was invented in the 9th century in China and it took us 300 years to make the first effective firearm with it and nearly 500 till they were used in battles as a standard weapon. That was with us having no alternatives like magic, and Europe and the Middle East were obsessed with getting new weapons and technologies to out compete the other nations as expansionism and imperialism became commonplace in those nations.

I honestly think the Dwemer would have laughed at the first guy to make a gun and they would just say "Well magic has no reload time, is more accurate and controllable as well as adaptable. Why would we use that piece of crap?" The only thing i can see them using is some device that shoots out magical ammo...or you know http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Staves. Most of the Dwemer tech is based in magic. We do have magic guns in the form of staves.

Well, I'm sure not all Dwemer were powerful sorcerers, and they did use other weapons; including crossbows, which don't have the best reload time. But yeah, you don't really need a primitive rifle when you can build stompy robots that shoot lightning.

I think they could have, and they could have even used them too. My question: Would the non-Dwemeri races that plunder the Dwemer ruins realize what they might find? Dungeon-explorers would recognize the dwemer crossbow for what it is, but a flintlock, matchlock or steam-powered firearm would probably look like a fancy contraption for conducting tonal experiments.

There is still that mention of the Sentinel army having cannon in 'Jokes' in Daggerfall. So there is precedent (fleeting and flimsy though the evidence may be) for some type of powder weapon in TES.

when you can read a book and afterwards launch a lightning bolt at someone do you really need, or want a gun? The dwemer didn't really do the whole battle thing as i understood it...thats what the robots are for, they were to busy creating an artificial god to bother with rifles

Better questions: How would the other races approach ballistic weapons technology?

To which, I, Hiram Quacklesleigh, swear thus:

Altmer - Super-dense wavelengths of varliance, propelled via rim-fire mirror logic.

Bosmer - Guns are an impossibility in a culture where the young learn to string a longbow before which organs in a man's chest are best fit for wiping their bottoms.

Dunmer - Full Metal Muatra, chemical propellent equal parts ashpeter, marshmerrow, and contempt.

Orcs - Scrap plate [censored]-shooters.

Nords - Rune-cut boulders, launched out of alphorn-like barrels the length of mammoths by the power of Thu'um.

Cyrodils - Big moths that shoot smaller moths.

Raga - Swords that shoot smaller swords.

Bretons - They'd copy the Altmer.

Khajiit - Special breed of Khajiit, the Alfiq-thjizjic, which is noted for its compactness, durability, and an impressive 60-hairballs-per-second rate of fire.

Argonian - 16-d maths jacketed in histsap and treated with flesh-rotting pathogenic material, propelled via post-colonial deconstruction of hegemonic cultural mores.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Tribunal:Dwemer_Constructs Look at the archer. That might not be firearm but if you have any experience of them in the game, you'll know that they do the trick. In fact I always thought that using dwarven darts in Tribunal was like carrying a Magnum in world of swords, which helps when it's expansion pack so everything MUST be bigger and better but that's a gameplay matter.

Well, all inventions are questions of motive, inspiration, and necessity. I think that most people make a mistake in personifying the entire race as one body, and while they have worked more closely to each other than other races via their telepathy, you can not deny the significance that lone individuals may still play. Inspiration and motive are variable possibilities, but necessity is not, as many have already stated. I think it may exist in the form of a curiosity or prototype that was left behind somewhere or scrapped for necessry parts.

Why are you such a genius?