Could it be posible, there are more Deadric princes then we : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:09 am

"Outer Realms"

The myriad of churning Artonach hatching posts, Telvanni pocket dimensions, Imperial Battlespires, Sotha Sil experiments, rogue Magna Ge varliance and other stray creatia that coelesce into the hamlets of the void, existing for moments or millenia depending on numerous factors, swirling about with no certain masters only petty kings, arch-lich's, elemental daedra or forgotten spirits who inhabit them for a time.

That sounds like one heck of a party.

Would any of those make a large enough dent that they would be counted as unique realms?

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:20 am

That sounds like one heck of a party.

Would any of those make a large enough dent that they would be counted as unique realms?

Unique? All of them. Very stable and ruled by a prince-like being? Unknown.

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:45 pm

Unique? All of them. Very stable and ruled by a prince-like being? Unknown.

Ah, stable! That's more what I was looking for.
Would Haskill reference something that wasn't legitimate and lasting? You know, rather than "Sometimes it's 18, other days it's 20..."

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 8:19 am

Soul Cairn! Of course! The Void without a Prince, the realm of soulless souls!

I must go and misinterpret this!

I wonder if Dawnguard will introduce some kind of head Ideal Master... a Daedric Demi-Prince (or even a full-blown Prince of lost souls)?

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:01 pm

What if there were nine spokes now? There were 8 for each aedra, but Talos reinforces the wheel. Did he create a ninth spoke? That leaves room for 2 realms on each side, even if they share infinite space with their spoke brother/sister. There's also the hole at the center for the axle. That'd account for all 19 realms locations. I'd say the one we don't know about could very well be Sovngarde. Shor's lost realm. Jygg may not have a realm anymore. He'll likely return to Sheo and repeat that cycle once again.(As he did with Arden Sul)

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 8:18 am

What if there were nine spokes now? There were 8 for each aedra, but Talos reinforces the wheel. Did he create a ninth spoke? That leaves room for 2 realms on each side, even if they share infinite space with their spoke brother/sister. There's also the hole at the center for the axle. That'd account for all 19 realms locations. I'd say the one we don't know about could very well be Sovngarde. Shor's lost realm. Jygg may not have a realm anymore. He'll likely return to Sheo and repeat that cycle once again.(As he did with Arden Sul)

I was under the impression that Talos wasn't a spoke, but rather the axle?

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:55 am

Wouldn't that have to be Mundus given that it's the convergence point of all the spokes? I don't think the aurbis is turning on Talos(As in a wheel turning...the other meaning however...).

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:21 pm

The heart of Talos is the heart of the world, according to conventional wisdom. We tend to think of him as being a shezzarine, and Shezzar's heart is...

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:27 am

YUp !

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:38 am

Well, 17 Princes if you separate Jyg and Sheo but they weren't separate at the time of this interview were they? Maybe a couple princes were "slain"? Like chained away in their own hells and can't get out? Like how Jyg was cursed with Madness, maybe some gods got together and imprisoned some others or something.

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:06 pm

Well, one question: how many Daedra Princes were there before Trinimac got digested into Malacath? And how many spokes were there then?

We know at least the Chimers went to their Exodus after Topal had his sail around Tamriel and discovered Morrowind. How about the time between the landing of Ada-Mantia and the Velothi Exodus? It was included into the current kalpa, but Malacath was to be shown up. So, who was the 16th Prince then?

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 8:12 pm

8 spokes

13 Princes; all of them but Malacath, Meridia, and Dagon...maybe. So maybe 14.

Actually, when did Star-Princess run away from home? Because maybe she was there before Malacath.

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:41 pm

The Wheel has 8 spokes and divedes 16 Daedra Princes, which is mathematical beauty. I really wonder at the time when there were less Daedra Princes, whether the Wheel may be less stable than it is now or not.

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:54 pm

Somebody remind me how 8 spokes divides 16 Princes? I used to remember, but I forgot. Was it two Princes in each space per spoke?

(In case you can't tell how I'm confused, there are only 8 spaces in a Wheel divided by 8 spokes.)

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:29 am

Well... we have 17 princes now so we might need to even it out to 18 and get another divine perhaps? unless Talos is a spoke... I never actually looked into this wheel business. All I know of it is what i've read of other peoples' posts since I joined.

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 7:17 am

Somebody remind me how 8 spokes divides 16 Princes? I used to remember, but I forgot. Was it two Princes in each space per spoke?

I think the spokes go all the way through the entire wheel. If you cut a pie all the way across 8 times that makes 16 pieces?

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 7:46 pm

Well... we have 17 princes now so we might need to even it out to 18 and get another divine perhaps? unless Talos is a spoke... I never actually looked into this wheel business. All I know of it is what i've read of other peoples' posts since I joined.

You can't really take Sheo and Jyg into different spaces I think. Jyg got cursed into Sheo after all, and mayhaps they should share the same place in void?

Somebody remind me how 8 spokes divides 16 Princes? I used to remember, but I forgot. Was it two Princes in each space per spoke?

(In case you can't tell how I'm confused, there are only 8 spaces in a Wheel divided by 8 spokes.)

I don't think so.

If you use 8-spoke-8-space mode, and when you use the summoning day chart the whole Last Seed is occupied by Akatosh and no Daedra Prince can share the month with him, which means in other one space there are three Princes together.(Just see how many Princes crowded from December to April..)

If 8-spoke-16-space mode, then some space may have a greater angle than others.

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 10:10 am

You can't really take Sheo and Jyg into different spaces I think. Jyg got cursed into Sheo after all, and mayhaps they should share the same place in void?

I see Sheo and Jyg as the same Prince really. Sheo as the Prince of Madness in the sense of disarrayed and unpredictable and Jyg as the Prince of Madness in the sense of OCD and being obsessed with perfection and order to the point of insanity.

I don't think so. If you use the summoning day chart the whole Last Seed is occupied by Akatosh and no Daedra Prince can share the month with him.

Thanks, I'll look into that.

EDIT: Could I get a link to said chart?

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:03 pm

I think the spokes go all the way through the entire wheel. If you cut a pie all the way across 8 times that makes 16 pieces?

Not to insult Vehk's divine Wheel-making abilities, but I've only ever seen wheels like that on a bicycle, and I'm pretty sure there aren't supposed to be any bicycles in TES. Most spokes aren't diameters, but instead just connect the inner and outer hub of the wheel.

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 8:06 am

yeah but thats the only way i could make it work. unless the princes double up. How does it work then? I know next to nothing of the wheel.

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 8:59 pm

Thanks, I'll look into that.

EDIT: Could I get a link to said chart?

I can't find an existed chart so I made it myself. Here. However I haven't placed the Serpent, and the planets I can only put those three fixed on.

http://i47.tinypic.com/2i897wl.jpg

I really don't know if there is any relevence between the months, the stars and the Daedra Princes. Yet I wonder if this chart can give us some clues

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 10:06 am

I can't find an existed chart so I made it myself. Here. However I haven't placed the Serpent, and the planets I can only put those three fixed on.

http://i47.tinypic.com/2i897wl.jpg

I really don't know if there is any relevence between the months, the stars and the Daedra Princes. Yet I wonder if this chart can give us some clues

Am totally confused by chart.

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 10:14 am

I grow more and more skeptical of the spokes-and-spaces cosmological model.

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:12 am

Am totally confused by chart.

It is the twelve months of the year, and each month with its correspounding constellation. And 16 Daedra Princes appear on the day of their summoning day.

The Planet Akatosh is in the constellation of The Warrior and is The Warrior's Eye, so the planet goes to the Space of Last Seed. The same goes to Julianos and Arkay.

The Serpent doesn't have its own month, so I don't draw it on the chart. I don't have much information on the other planets and the moons, so I skip them too.

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 1:59 pm

Interesting, but I'm not seeing anything that I can draw conclusions from. Looks almost randomly distributed, and I don't think the constellations match up with what we know of the Daedra and Aedra (personality wise).