Before I start: I do realize that this is my second topic within a few hours, but I don't mean to spam.


Ok, so this is my question:


We know that the Aedra lost their immortality and some of their strength when they were tricked by Lorkhan to create Mundus. Considering that Talos didn't become a divine until later, doesn't that mean that he could possibly be immortal and have full divine strength since he wasn't a part of Lorkhan's trick? Doesn't that mean that Talos could possibly be dominant over the other divines?

On the other hand, it would make sense that the divines couldn't make him more powerful than themselves...

What do you think?

There's one slight flaw in your theory.

He died. Like, physically.

As a god I suppose he's immortal, but then again so are all of them.

Dead, and immortal.

But the divines can die if they are killed, so they are not truly immortal

The Aedras death is not entirely like a mortals death. And the divines weren't, 'killed' in the sense that someone came up and shanked em in the back, but so much that they did so of their own volition. Tricked (Or convinced or inspired, dependent on your outtake), but they still tore off their limbs and grafted it to the Mundus on their own.

Either way, its entirely possible to topple Talos. Its mostly what the Thalmor are currently working for. (How successful they currently are is another matter.)

EDIT: And there I go totally forgetting about Lorkhan. While he was basically mutilated by someone else, his merry heart was laughing it up all the way to Red Mountain, and Shor (While ghostly) is still aching to get it back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GMrOxRmJXA

Really? So since Talos didn't graft any limbs to Mundus, what does that make him? Thanks for the info by the way.


Lol

See the edited part of my post. In my own incompetence I totally forgot about Lork. Anyway, it makes Talos...new, in a sense. Unlike the constant downward spiral we see, with the sacred becoming increasingly profane, Talos went upward, reinforcing the idea that the Mundus may not be a horrible thing as the Altmeri make it out to be. Altmeri tradition would certainly not include him as Aedra (Our ancestors) although he certainly became something more then mortal. I would say though that divine and Aedra are both apt enough terms, but only because they tend to be used interchangeably when talking about em round here.

Wait, what? What happens then?

So Divine and Aedra isn't the same thing? Thanks for the answers!

The Thalmor will fail. Why? The Dragonborn. There is a historical precedent of Dragonborns whuppin' the high elves.



Something even greater than aedra.

Either that or a Shezzarine, an echo of Lorkhan/Shor/Shezzar that managed to completely assume the vacant spot in the Wheel.

Or both.

For the definitions of the Eight and One divines and the Aedra of the Altmeri depictions of them, yes, they are not the same. But the separation between the two is not always a neat and clean fit, and many of these greater beings are found throughout many of Tamriels religious factions, and there may be another outlook on them that we have yet to experience properly. (Although, the divide between ancestor worship and your 'traditional' worship of them seem to be the biggest divide between the Tamrielic religions thus far)

So what Talos accomplished was the opposite of subgradience? What's the antonym for subgradience anyway?

That should be supergradience, no?