So one thing I've wondered is if Obsidian will explain the fire breathing ants. For those of you who played Fallout 3 in depth and actually read it's lore, the Fire Ants were an accidental cause of a scientists tampering with Giant Ant gene sequences, as well as using samples of FEV. So do you think the Fire Ants in the Mojave will be a lore loose end, or explained?

Probably, although Obsidian could've put them in as extra material from Fallout 3. That way it would save them time from designing a new enemy.

I thought it was cause they were eating gunpowder?

well some mutations are going to be explained for what i have gathered but doe fire ants are probably a lophole and obsidion probably put them there forgeting theyr history from FO3 it's a small detail i think onlly the really FO fans noticed it and it not that big a deal lore wise IMO corse

I would like an explanation, I doubt they could have spread that far east in such a short amount of time, though it also seems unlikely that the exact same experiments were carried out in two separate places.

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I don't really care. FIre Ants in West Coast could be natural. Or the Scientist in DC just thought he created them.

i don't think Marty is refering to the ants in Nelis does wheren't fire ants where they?

I just like to learn lore, so it sticks.

@Styles- Silly Styles, just admit Obsidian is breaking lore (So far) with this.

@Dice- Nope, that's the boomers ants.

games is so big and they have so manny lil details thatthey probably over looked some small details i think they admited that allready but still reguarding the ants i think it's a really insignificant detail there are biguer holes in lore than that

Not till Bethesda admits to all the lore they crapped all over. As far as I am concerned fire ants in New Vegas is not that lore breaking.

A DC scientist was able to get his hands on FEV and had the ability to make a lab and messed with Ant DNA. :ermm: There is so much wrong with that I don't know where to start.

I don't take the line 'All FEV Research is to be sent to Mariposa' as 'It was all there when the bombs hit'. I take it as 'it was in mid-transport'. Also, is it really so bad that someone in Fallout 3 is actually SMART? I mean, he's one of the few in the game with any semblence of classical intelligence, is it so hard to believe someone wanted to be more than one of those filty squatters that are so abundant in the D.C. area?

Is there a reason there a reason old world blues would explain this ( I havent really looked into the theme of that upcoming dlc ) ? Or is this just a loose end that you wish was tied off?

I doubt it. Also is there an explanation as to why geckos breath fire?

Actually, no one is breaking lore. The Fire Ants from Fallout 3 were a reference to some B-grade horror film made in the 50's. It was Those! or Them! or something along those lines. Just like the Mother****er Zeta DLC was a reference to the countless 50's horror films. The Fallout Universe doesn't really have lore so much as it has a billion random references to the Great Depression through Cold War era's.

It is a possibility that fire ants were being developed as weapons before the bombs fell, lore is made up as each game comes out its possible for there to be multiple ways for fire ants to be created so the fire ants in new vegas don't necessarily break lore.

FEV was to be all at Mariposa. It was moved from West Tek to Mariposa. Bethesda ingored that and came up with another type of FEV and in Vault a of all places. :dry: How did the guy get his hands on FEV? Where did he get it? Walked into Vault 87?

How would he know what FEV is?

As for a person in DC being smart. Problem is way to many people in DC are smart and yet not one of these people figured out how to grow plants, rebuild, clean water without a big project purity or even just smart enough to move their ass out of that hell hole, not one in 200 years!

The idea of people 200 plus years after a nuclear war that have the knowledge of DNA and FEV (outsided of the Enclave) and people that know how to do facial surgery, work in a lab in Rivet City, James and so on. All these smart people in an are the size of DC. Yet not one person figured out if you put a seed in the ground it will grow. No sign of any educational areas outside of Vault 101 or any apprenticeship programs.

There are so many other problems I can go into about Fallout 3 but sticking to Fire Ants.

I find it just as likely that FEV that caused other mutations in other animals can just as well cause natural fire ants in the Mojave. After all if it can make Geckos breath fire it can make ants. The Geckos were in Fallout 2 so if anything Bethesda ripped off Fallout 2. The Movie "Them" did no thave fire breathing ants.

Please stop, or the F3 fans will completely derail this train :cryvaultboy:

If you want to be like that, you can argue Cazadore are a rip off of Bloafly, or fiends from generic filler raiders in F3, or the naked variant of molerat in F3 as opposed to F2. All in all, it's not about who did what. All in all, it's lore, show me definitive proof that Fallout and Fallout two EXPLICITELY state FEV WASN'T in the country, perhaps there was a West-Tek facility in D.C. that was destroyed or somewhere in the rubble we never visit (Yes I know West Tek could be argued 'West Coast' or something, but whatever)

In fairness, aside from possible unseen West-Tek companies in D.C., you raise a good question of the scientists knowledge about FEV, and how he obtained it. One of Fallout 3's problems sadly, alot of end results, not enough explanations of start to finish.

It's really just the title for the Quest and the fact that there are Giant ants in both of them, that they made the reference to the movie.

So you are fighting so hard to believe that it is possible for FEV bases all over America and yet you can't believe that natural Fire Ants happened in the Mojave? :bonk:

FEV made Fire Geckos it can make Fire Ants.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/FEV_Research

"2077

FEV nears completion. Test on lab animals are at a near 100% success rate. Size and muscle density increase approximately 60%, and the potential intelligence increase by 200%. Effects upon human subjects remain unknown; although they are theoretically promising. The military, wishing to continue further testing, builds a large facility at the Mariposa military installation in central California. At this new facility, testing of the FEV virus continues on volunteer subjects from the military."

I am pretty sure that is from Fallout.

No no no, not like it's some Wal-Mart. But perhaps West-Tek had key research topics, and notice '2077', it's not to inconcievable to believe the FEV in said hypothetical key places was in prepration for being securely transported to Mariposa, then, as we all know, the Great War of 2077 happened.

Geckos weren't in Fallout 3, they were in New Vegas, which is designed by mostly the same people, and it's rather hard to rip yourself off, unless you have multiple personalities. Bethesda didn't rip the Geckos off, and even if they did, they own the Fallout name, so it would fall under lore.

Okay, so the movie is named Them! The achievement in Fallout 3 is called Those!, which the name is rather similar, they both include mutated ants, and they both are based around nuclear energy. The fire part is only in Fallout, but everything else points to that movie.

FEV was only to be in the West Coast. Like I said Bethesda crapped all over lore. It annoys me that you fight so much to believe it is possible other Mariposa type bases could be out there and yet not just simply believe that there could be natural fire ants. FEV was top secret stuff. Moving it all over the place and having many places all over the USA, kinda makes it NOT TOP SECRET! Yeah I get Bethesda put it in a Vault which was stupid but you believe there could be another West Tek somewhere in the East? You are up set Obsidian did not explain how these ants in Mojave breath fire yet you arn't upset that Bethesda did not explain how a man got his hands on FEV? How he knows about it, where he got it.




Fire Geckos were in Fallout 2. Making a creature that breaths Fire in Fallout 3 is the rip off. Yeah I know it is a stretch. Still Giant ants is a node to the 1950s movie "Them", good movie I own it. Still why make them breath fire? A creature in Fallout 2 breathed fire so something in Fallout 3 has to! just a theory.

I voted to smash the bugs, but I'd also like to see them appear in OWB. If the Courier is stuck in a no-DT patient apron, their fire breath would be much more of a threat to those of us who haven't taken Toughness or Stonewall.

Well, to be fair, what else can you do to make an ant scary? They can't just make super strong ants, they'd either be too strong or not scary. Besides, you can always run. And there actually are ants called fire ants, they don't breathe fire, but they still are called fire ants. Why wouldn't Bethesda make that name literal? It's what I'd do.

Fair enough.

To make them scary besides breathing fire.. :ermm: . That ant lady in Fallout 3, "Antagonizer". She should have been a leader of some tribe or cult that worshiped ants. Used ants to get around. Ant iself not scary but people riding on them would make me think twice. Some ant queen could have been controlling them with some pheromone. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86zPFR4R0Ko http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs74VYDNDXE&feature=related

isnt it possible that the airborne version of FEV could have possibly created this mutation?