I just had a quick scan and found Edit: 3 abilities in the templar tree alone, to restore magicka in some way.

Realy, what the [censored] are you all crying about!!

DK is far more gimped in that manner if you wana start. You dont hear me complaining do you?

Stop trying to be 100% healer, its not gonna happen.

So are these trees updated with the info from the latest PTS update? Now _that_ is the question.

I strongly doubt that this is latest info you have here buddy. And wash your mouth !! Unless you have latest news, this is a troll topic.

And have you tested all of them? Didn't think so. While all of the level 50 templars doing Veteran content have tried them all. So please continue trying to bash, berate, insult, and derail all of the qualified, experienced level 50 Templars and their concerns.

But...but..but... they told me i can be anything i want in Elder Scrolls online.They lied to me ?

Stop trolling mate.

Oh, how strange that no templar is agreeing to this. How odd....

Youre saying that with the 3 morph options available for templar that add magicka in some way, there is no way to make a viable magicka build?

I as a DK, have no magicka regen abilties. Only 2 morph options that give me some magika, so if anyone should be Bit%$% it should be DK,s.

There are tons of other ways to get a magicka build so before screaming murder and theft use more pots/equilibirium/Weakness to Elements on top of your templar magicka abilities if you want to play a heay magicka dependant class.

Who says you need mana to heal, can't Resto staff heal allies from heavy attacks?

Yeh.. im still wondering what does that mean? When I do a heavy attack or enemy? Heavy attack is hold left mouse attack with resto staff that beam? Another question.. How do I break stuns? Stunbreakers... in bossfights I couldnt break it.. lvl15.

No, you are an absolute liar, you did not. What are these mythical abilities?

Don't feed... This person is obviously just a really devoted fan out to provoke flamebait...

http://esohead.com/calculator/skills#zokz5oN7xzDu8n7JMWQ6MWF

The three selected skills/morphs

Tell me more of how your precious DK's 10 hour long buffs need to be recassted 10 times to be on par with the rest of the classes.

Thats how templars are, they need to cast mutliple instances of a spell to be on par with your 60% (or w/e) health regen spell or the titanium armor spell or your CC spells or ANYTHING ELSE.

Templars are LOCKED OUT of the resto tree AS A CLASS SKILL TREE because they can't even afford to cast 1-2 spells of the other 2 skills, UNLESS YOU GO LIGHT ARMOR, and even then, other classes with light armor will have it far easier.

The HUGE problem arises from the fact that a WHOLE CLASS skill tree is unusable unless you are a dedicated magicka user, anything else is not AS viable as another class with access to all 3 skill trees to be effective.

It's not a matter of spamming, it's a matter of being able to use your class skills to be on par with similar builds of other classes, which currently got crushed to the ground, it needed a number's nerf, not a complete elimination.

And for the bilionth time, it's still a beta, things will obviously change, it's just that this is a dramatic change and needs attention.

Omnomnomnom, lol.

Im just stating how i think it is.

Because it's a flat out lie.

We have restoring spirit .. which is now worthless and was nerfed by 95%.

We have chanelled focus which is NOT a magicka regen spell. If you do not move for 18 seconds while you get your ass beat you get back the mana it costs to cast it. With cost reductions i end up spending 150 to cast, and get 180 back, IF I dont move, if I do then I LOSE MANA. It is NOT a mana regen spell, at all.

There is nothing else .. oh wait are you going to say restoring aura? Please say yes ...

He is not doing his job well lol.

But doesnt it come down to choise then? if you want to use a lot of magicka you have to suffer the cons. I think all classes are supposed to be like that, and no full or 5 heavy piece of armour user should have no problems with magicka.

And im not going to belief it when you tell me a full light using templar has to magicka problems, because then they are just playing it wrong i think.

And you guys are right, i have no level 50 expirice, so i could be all wrong here but what i think is happening is a whole lot of people are mad because they cant act out their OP build upon launch.

IF thats not the case, you should all not be worried as zenimax wil fix it.

You're a moron. The spear ability gives an ALLY magicka .. not the templar. No healing templar could ever even put that on their bar either.

Rushed Ceremony is one of the HIGHEST costing spells in the game, and costs like 500 magicka, how the hell do you think the spell that makes templars go out of magicka in 6 seconds of casting GIVES them magicka?

I already spoke to rune focus, it does not give magicka back, it returns the cost over time if you STAY STILL while being beat on.

thank you for proving you and the rest of the people who think everything is fine are 100% clueless.

templars have ZERO magicka resource increasing skills now. Zero.

I'm not asking to spam heals as a heavy armored tank to be on par with dedicated healers, I'm asking to be able to use all 3 skill classes, simple as that, other classes can clearly use all 3, the templar class was made with the mind to send some offheals from time to time if you wanted to be a non magicka user or simply be a better healer.

Tell me what DK won't use at least 1 skill from each tree or a nightblade that won't use invisibility?

Sure you have the option to not use it, but you don't suffer ANYTHING from using them at all, while as a templar you ARE FORCED TO NOT USE the healing tree unless you are a healer.

Then you are a moron because every single 50+ Templar is saying it. Every single one. I linked quotes from a post on PTS with about 30 different 50+ Templars all saying their character is completely useless after the patch.

but what do we know, we are only actually playing while you are theorycrafting like a champ.

I find it funny then, how every single templar was going to use the same spell. Every one? thats not supposed to happen. must be something wrong with it?

If its that good, that everyone wil want it, it wil acomplish the opposite of what this skill system is all about.

Seriously, how the heck are you posting about a subject you know nothing about? It's not a skill, it's a passive. It doesn't go on your hotbar. EVERY Templar is supposed to get it. Not getting it would be like wearing full light armor not getting the light armor passives to reduce spell cost and increase regeneration. Yes, EVERYONE will get armor passives, everyone, if you don't you are a complete fool.

Better yet restoration staff is broken, every non templar who heals wants it. Something must be wrong with it then right?

Seriously learn about the game and the subject before you post anymore and make yourself look worse.

ITs a passive that give 4% magicka per abilitiy activated, thats just OP, lol.

A passive should not give you that much of a bonus.

Sure, NB has a skill that gives magicka per attack, but they have to give up a slot for it, same goes for sorc i think.

If the templars magiocka is broken then it wil be fixed, but even with all the flames i get, i still think there are ways around it and its a fair change.

I bet all templars where runing around with pure dps/heal not giving a $E%^& about magicka. thats just not right.

Restoring Spirit is the only magicka management ability templars get. It was nerfed by 90-95%. It went from giving 60'ish mana to giving 3-5 mana.

You and the other level 20's who have no clue about the endgame should stop talking about things you don't know, and start asking questions to understand.

Do you know how useful Repentance is to heal back up? Might alleviate some pressure to use magicka-consuming healing skils ...

Says who? You? Why not? Do you even know what the problem with the ability was?

Did you know nightblades have an ability that gives them 3.5% magicka back with an AUTO ATTACK? Just regular attacks, 3.5%.