A couple of questions about Numidium. : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Fri Aug 24, 2012 2:26 am

I am working on a mod for Morrowind called Rise of House Dagoth. One of my goals is to have a fully functional Akulakhan. I figured since he or it is basically Numidium 2.0, I'll ask about him.

How did Numidium actually work?

During combat does he or it go around stomping things, or does it use magic?

Is or was Numidium a sentient being?

» Fri Aug 24, 2012 6:06 am

It's within the realm of possibility for both.

I personally imagine it as functioning like an Evangelion Unit, because they fit the same purpose (being a giant robot that actually is the vessel of a person's soul built as an artificial god to fit the souls of an entire race inside of itself which causes all members of said race to vanish from the universe to assist said race in achieving some sort of psuedo-as-to-become-real godhood.). ~~AT fields and cross shaped explosions and everything.~~

» Thu Aug 23, 2012 8:57 pm

I am working on a mod for Morrowind called Rise of House Dagoth. One of my goals is to have a fully functional Akulakhan. I figured since he or it is basically Numidium 2.0, I'll ask about him.

How did Numidium actually work?

During combat does he or it go around stomping things, or does it use magic?

Is or was Numidium a sentient being?

I imagined Numidium to be something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gort_(The_Day_the_Earth_Stood_Still)or the big robot thing from the Thor movie.

» Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:25 am

I always imagined it would just walk around spreading Corprus like crazy and launching massive fireballs against people that could resist, or perhaps even entire cities if they bored him.

» Fri Aug 24, 2012 5:52 am

I always imagine him being a giant melee contruct that was immune to all forms of attack and damage both physical and magicial wise. Its also very possible that it could use some kind of magic attacks like shooting beams out of its eyes or something. But whatever you do with your mod if you do make it, i'll play it 100% that sounds badass.

» Thu Aug 23, 2012 11:19 pm

I am working on a mod for Morrowind called Rise of House Dagoth. One of my goals is to have a fully functional Akulakhan. I figured since he or it is basically Numidium 2.0, I'll ask about him.

How did Numidium actually work?

Quoting Michael Kirkbride, as archived in the Imperial Library:

It's not the Brass God that wrecks everything so much as it is all the plane(t)s and timelines that orbit it, singing world-refusals.
The Surrender of Alinor happened in one hour, but Numidium's siege lasted from the Mythic Era until long into the Fifth. Some Mirror Logicians of the Altmer fight it still in chrysalis shells that phase in and out of Tamrielic Prime, and their brethren know nothing of their purpose unless they stare too long and break their own possipoints.

Essentially, it breaks the hell out of causality and does whatever the hell it wants. Or whatever the hell the soul guiding it wants, as the case may be. You *might* want to settle for a partially-functioning Akulakhan instead....

» Thu Aug 23, 2012 11:07 pm

Quoting Michael Kirkbride, as archived in the Imperial Library:

It's not the Brass God that wrecks everything so much as it is all the plane(t)s and timelines that orbit it, singing world-refusals.
The Surrender of Alinor happened in one hour, but Numidium's siege lasted from the Mythic Era until long into the Fifth. Some Mirror Logicians of the Altmer fight it still in chrysalis shells that phase in and out of Tamrielic Prime, and their brethren know nothing of their purpose unless they stare too long and break their own possipoints.

Essentially, it breaks the hell out of causality and does whatever the hell it wants. Or whatever the hell the soul guiding it wants, as the case may be. You *might* want to settle for a partially-functioning Akulakhan instead....

Also remember that Akulakhan would be even more powerful than Numidium, since Numidium was powerd by the Mantella, while Akulakhan was powered by the heart of Lorkhan.

» Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:20 pm

Also remember that Akulakhan would be even more powerful than Numidium, since Numidium was powerd by the Mantella, while Akulakhan was powered by the heart of Lorkhan.

Given the fates of those involved with the Mantella, I'm not entirely sure if the difference would be all that significant.

Then again, perhaps powering it with the actual heart instead of a knockoff does something entirely different...

» Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:31 am

http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1402722-dwemer-speculation/page__view__findpost__p__21387707

What is Numidium?

Numidium is the Prime Gestalt, or Indivisible Form. The Divine Skin. Nu-M(usical) I(nstrument) D(evice) I(nterface)-um. Nu-midi(middle, central, centerpoint)-um: new-Mundus. Numidium is a balloon, built to be filled with the souls of mortals, therein to be anti-created back to divinity in the shape of the Brass God [5]. When filled, it is the third-tier echo of Godhead. It is in two senses the triumph of Animunculic technology; firstly because the use of the Heart allowed the prevention of immediate disintegration; and secondly because the removal of the Heart precipitated a perfection of such disintegration. The Heart, as the essence of a god (a being of less subgradience) was the keystone of the Brass God, allowing the anti-created oversoul to be maintained long-term - and, with the shock of its removal, allowing the precipitation of extremely finely fragmented soul-shards. The Numidium, according to the Loveletter, was an attempt at attainment of the final subgradient - but anti-creation is not such an attempt. Therefore, for the the Loveletter's claim to be accurate, there must be some other element to the Brass God's functioning. In contrast to anti-creation alone, the shattering of an anti-created being would result in fragments of a greater subgradience: in Animunculi. Thusly, I postulate that Numidium was a tool created to facilitate multiple echoes of Godhead and its sundering; to inflate with mortal souls, anti-create them into a god, and then sunder that god into Animunculi as an attempt to attain the final subgradient.

Considering the basis postulated above for the reason Dwemer found Animunculi comforting, and that Numidium is a grand-scale extrapolation of Animunculic technology, it seems that the final result of Numidium, if it was used again and again by mortals (as implied by Xal the Marukhati) would be the creation of a god-scale automata fueled by the orbit of its Animunculic soul-fragments. This being, like its small-scale predecessors, would exist independently or in spite of subgradience. I think this fits the Loveletter's 'Eternal I.' However, since no one has followed in the Dwemer's footsteps, it seems unlikely that this goal was attained.

Dagoth Ur:

Akulakhan will serve three purposes. First, it will be the champion of my armies, liberating first Vvardenfell, then Morrowind, and then, perhaps the rest of Tamriel. Second, it will serve as a sower and cultivator of the divine substance derived from the Heart. Three, it will serve as the prominent banner and symbol of our cause -- to defy the Empire, to liberate mortals from ancient superstitions, and to glorify our crusade against the gods.

I will continue to draw divine power from the Heart and distribute it to my kin and followers. I will continue to broadcast divine power upon the blight winds, so that it will touch each soul on Vvardenfell, and then more broadly, across the waters to the rest of Morrowind and Tamriel. In time, every mortal in Tamriel shall feel the liberating contact with the divine.

I'm not quite sure that Akulakhan was designed to perform the same function as Numidium. Ultimately. The Temple assumes that Dagoth Ur has just taken up Kagrenac's goal, but I have a suspicion that Ur's plans stopped at anti-creation of the entire world. There was no intent to attain the final subgradient. I haven't really anolyzed the sources on that very much, though.

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» Fri Aug 24, 2012 2:04 am

I always imagine him like one of those robots who defend/ed Sotha Sil, just way bigger and more powerful

» Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:43 am

If we want to imagine TES and Fallout universes being the same, consider modeling the giant robot after http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Liberty_Prime, maybe?