Crackpot theory about the heroes

Post » Wed Feb 16, 2011 8:14 pm

So,we all know that soon after the heroes have done whatever they have done,they vanish.No matter what they acomplish,they soon are forgotten either because someone else takes most of the credit or they just do.The neravine was talked about briefly in a random conversation in Oblivion...but that was it.Although,it did tell us the Nerevarine didn't use his fame to live a life of luxury,but rather went to Akavir to be forgotten about.He may have even died...but what if he (and the other heroes) can't?Well,not of natural causes anyway.

The Nerevarine managed to become immortal through surving the side effects of corpus - she/he became a super soldier (or mage) basicaly.

The CoC managed to become immortal through mantling Sheogorath.

In Daggerfall,the Hero had the Totem of Tiber Septim and,while he could choose to use the Numidium to fight people,he could make the King of Worms immortal.But,surely he could make him/herself immortal?And why not,he certainly earned it after what he did.Was the Warp in the West caused by the player?

In Arena,the staff of Jagar Tharn was very powerful,made of the essence of Tamriel itself I believe.Nothing said Jagar Tharn was immortal,but why keep the pieces in Tamriel?It may be indestructibe,but surely you could have cast the pieces into the lava of the Deadlands or the depths of the seas...unless he needed the pieces in Tamriel,so the proximity could,in theory,make him immortal.I know this is a shaky idea,but it always struck me as to why the Hero was called the Eternal champion while the CoC was simply called the CoC,was it because the CoC had not yet gained immortality?

I don't really have anything for Battlespire.I did have a theory that the Hero mantled Mehrunes Dagon,but that got debunked rather quickly...maybe the hero never returned to Nirn,and he is still after Mehrunes to finish him.Foolish,but plausible.

But why do the heroes disapear?Well,this is possibly the shakiest bit,but,what if all the Heroes were alive at one time and in one place?I'd imagine Tamriel couldn't handle the amounts of immortals,and a dragon break would happen.Or they may dislike eachother,and a fight of epic proportions would take place.I think the Heroes know this,and they either willingly die in battle or through other means,go to Oblivion,or spread themselves out across Nirn?

So...what do ya think?Maybe I should wait to see what happens to the Heroes in Skyrim,but meh.
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Izzy Coleman
 
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Post » Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:30 am

But why do the heroes disapear?

Their chapter is complete. :shrug:
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Post » Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:05 pm

I don't really have anything for Battlespire.I did have a theory that the Hero mantled Mehrunes Dagon,but that got debunked rather quickly...maybe the hero never returned to Nirn,and he is still after Mehrunes to finish him.Foolish,but plausible.


The battlespire hero didn't want to afther mehrunes dagon he had to in order to survive so he could get him/herself and his friend out of the deadra princes' grasp. To do that he had to like someone else here once said "deck himself out in the equivilent of a planetary sheild". At the end you see him going back threw the weir gate as the battlespire crumbles. We later learn indirectly that he had some relation to fyr from morrowind based upon the fact the he has so many of the battlespire artifacts. Whether fyr is the battlespire hero or not is up to debate and there is more evidence he is not but I like to believe when I'm playing battlespire that i'm him.
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Post » Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:30 am

What's this "planetary shield?" I'm clueless. Jaciel Morgen?
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Post » Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:30 pm

No the planetary sheild would be the armor of the savior's hide. It protected him from mehrunes dagon and allowed him to use his own weapons he created against him enableing him to banish dagon back to oblivion, jaciel morgen just distracted dagon for the hero so that it would give him enought time to strike dagon.
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Post » Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:42 am

So the savior's hide is awesome?
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Post » Thu Feb 17, 2011 8:16 am

The battlespire hero didn't want to afther mehrunes dagon he had to in order to survive so he could get him/herself and his friend out of the deadra princes' grasp. To do that he had to like someone else here once said "deck himself out in the equivilent of a planetary sheild". At the end you see him going back threw the weir gate as the battlespire crumbles. We later learn indirectly that he had some relation to fyr from morrowind based upon the fact the he has so many of the battlespire artifacts. Whether fyr is the battlespire hero or not is up to debate and there is more evidence he is not but I like to believe when I'm playing battlespire that i'm him.


Scrap that...
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Post » Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:54 pm

We later learn indirectly that he had some relation to fyr from morrowind based upon the fact the he has so many of the battlespire artifacts. Whether fyr is the battlespire hero or not is up to debate and there is more evidence he is not but I like to believe when I'm playing battlespire that i'm him.

I HIGHLY doubt Fyr was the hero of battlespire. Big thing, Fyr is a 4000 year old ex-psijjic. That is way too ancient and powerful for Fyr to be some battlemage, who hadn't even completely finished his training (like what the hero of the battlespire was). If Fyr wanted to be a battlemage, he would most certainly be instantly promoted to officer, due to his extreme power. In all likelihood, he just collected a piece of the battlespire, due to what happened, and/or was an architect of it.
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Post » Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:41 pm

I HIGHLY doubt Fyr was the hero of battlespire. Big thing, Fyr is a 4000 year old ex-psijjic. That is way too ancient and powerful for Fyr to be some battlemage, who hadn't even completely finished his training (like what the hero of the battlespire was). If Fyr wanted to be a battlemage, he would most certainly be instantly promoted to officer, due to his extreme power. In all likelihood, he just collected a piece of the battlespire, due to what happened, and/or was an architect of it.


I can always wish can't I? but yea I agree he isn't the hero.
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Post » Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:21 am

I dunno, Fyr seems to be a tricky sort of fellow....

Kidding. I suppose that the heroes disappear because it wouldn't exactly be fair if one guy kept getting all of the attention.

Example: Champion of Cyrodiil never gets released from jail, because Nerevarine decides to be a freelance merc, gets hired by the Emperor as a bodyguard, and annihilates all of the Mythic Dawn assassins before they can draw their daggers.

Kidding again.

I actually figure that it is all probably some sort of "destiny" or "ultimate plan" sort of thing.
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Post » Thu Feb 17, 2011 2:56 am

But why do the heroes disapear?

They don't. I use the same character in every game. Soon the Champion will be going to Skyrim, just like the Nerevarine went to Cyrodiil, both being the same person.
I HIGHLY doubt Fyr was the hero of battlespire.

Yea, it's been confirmed he wasn't (though really, there's piles of evidence against it anyway) - the quote it somewhere on TIL in the Forum Archives.
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Post » Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:38 am

Isn't Fry older than the Tribunal???

I have a feeling he wasn't an imperial recruit. If they never mentioned rank, i'd believe it a litte (but why would you start off without awesome powers if you were older than the idea of an empire based in cyrodiil?) But he definitely had an interest in them. Perhaps he killed the battlespire guy?
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Post » Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:26 pm

Isn't Fry older than the Tribunal???

I have a feeling he wasn't an imperial recruit. If they never mentioned rank, i'd believe it a litte (but why would you start off without awesome powers if you were older than the idea of an empire based in cyrodiil?) But he definitely had an interest in them. Perhaps he killed the battlespire guy?

Yes, he's older than the empire and Tribunal. The theory really holds no water and the only even minor connection is that he has the some related artifacts (which isn't even really surprising).

And he didn't kill the hero of Battlespire, mainly because that particular hero is still alive.
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Post » Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:21 pm

But why do the heroes disapear?

Better answers is no answers at all. Imagine that all the sudden the Devs decided that they reveal the Hero of [Insert Game] is a/n [Insert Class] [Insert Race]. This is ganna step on someone's toes in regard that the Dev diss the player's toon and put a "picture" on stone, per se. The Devs have to make any mention of the hero's ID as ambiguous and as anonymous as possible.

What happen to the hero is pretty much what the Player wanted to happen to him/her. Of course, the Dev gave some "hint" of what happen to the Hero (but really act as a safeguard just so the Dev don't have to "re-add" in the previous hero any future games as a "glorified NPC"), but with some imagination, these endings can be bypast. Nerevarine went to Akavir? Cover story just to get away from politics. The Agent got stomp'd by Megatron? Blah, more like it can be one of the other Agents that the paranoid Emperor sent to Daggerfall. Hell, one can literally have one Hero for all the game if the Player wanted too (practically become "immortal" in Morrowind anyways).
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Post » Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:24 pm

I also always play the same person, only through reincarnation.

My hero would really like a quiet life on a beach somewhere for once, and is a little annoyed that he keeps ending up having to save the world.
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Post » Thu Feb 17, 2011 2:49 am

I also always play the same person, only through reincarnation.

My hero would really like a quiet life on a beach somewhere for once, and is a little annoyed that he keeps ending up having to save the world.

Playing through with the same person isn't unreasonable, as there's only about a 50 year span from Arena through Oblivion - playing as a human this means that by the time of Oblivion (or even Morrowind) you're probably getting pretty old, playing as an Orc means that you've been surviving only through life support (that is, necromancy) for over 20 years, but as an elf it's really no problem at all.

Through reincarnation doesn't really work though, unless he's somehow born fully grown each time. If your character died even immediately after defeating Jagar Tharn and was instantly reborn he'd only be 6 by the time of Daggerfall. Similarly even if he died immediately after defeating Dagoth Ur and was instantly reborn he'd still be an infant at the time of the Oblivion Crisis.
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Post » Thu Feb 17, 2011 9:34 am

Lol, but who says reincarnation has to be temporally linear?

My hero dies, and is reborn somewhere else, possibly before he dies.
It doesnt hinder my roleplay at all :)
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Post » Wed Feb 16, 2011 8:20 pm

I actually like the idea that some people roleplay that it's the same hero everytime (even if canon doesn't really support it), sadly I can't do it because my first Elder Scrolls was Oblivion, and I barely make it to the first city in Morrowinf before how dated the game is hits me and I get bored. As for age; that effectivlt stops midway through Morrowind with the character concept, and as pointed out for an Elf the time is not an issue.

Though if your character does the Shivering Isles you'd obviously need to play the Dragonborn in Skyrim as a new hero, unless Sheogorath is re-e-eally getting around. Mantling a Daedric Prince is a tad different to getting Corpus.
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Post » Thu Feb 17, 2011 2:11 am

It would be kinda hard for your character from oblivion being the dragonborn from skyrim considering he couldn't wear the amulet. Unless you roleplay he could or the reincarnation thing it is 200 years afther oblivion.
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Post » Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:41 am

It would be kinda hard for your character from oblivion being the dragonborn from skyrim considering he couldn't wear the amulet. Unless you roleplay he could or the reincarnation thing it is 200 years afther oblivion.


He could just say that he never tried to wear it and no one ever attempted to, which isn't unreasonable if he wasn't a greedy character and he didn't know he was a Dragonborn.
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Post » Thu Feb 17, 2011 2:05 am

My hero was simply not a dragonborn in his last incarnation, but is one in Skyrim.

Clearly the gods did not grant him that fate last time, but now they need him to, they do.

Curse them Aedra!
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Post » Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:27 pm

"The Nerevarine managed to become immortal through surving the side effects of corpus" He became ageless not immortal.
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Post » Thu Feb 17, 2011 5:31 am

"The Nerevarine managed to become immortal through surving the side effects of corpus" He became ageless not immortal.
Don't mean to sound ignorant but whats the difference?
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Post » Thu Feb 17, 2011 1:00 am

He can be poked with a spear and die.
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Post » Thu Feb 17, 2011 8:23 am

I've always enjoyed creating recurring characters. I suppose in my mind I've always imagined them to be different instances of the same hero, like a time-travelling Champion or wandering spirit who always seems to appear in the right place at the right time. As much as I like roleplaying I'm still a bit of a lore freak, though, so only one canon 'hero' per game. The others experience their own stories.
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