Crash On Entering Water : IV

» Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:51 pm

After installing the latest version of Better Cities and OBGE Liquid Water, and the most recent version of OBSE I have been getting CTDs when I enter water (e.g walk into or jump into the water). These crashes are detected and stopped with WEOCPS, but I lose the ability to talk with NPCs (although they still stop moving and turn, just no transition to dialogue) and the "ESC" key is disabled. Furthermore, when entering a building, I recieve a second CTD (or "Ding" with weOPCS). I have attached my mod list, OBSE plugin list as well as a snippet from the log of WEOCPS in the hopes that someone here has more skill in crash hunting than I. Please note that I have used the best practices to clean these mods with TES4edit (as instructed in various guides on these forums) and have played for some months with no other issues. I thank you all in advance for your efforts.

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Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  GTAesgaard_2.esm02  Cybiades.esm  [Version 2.0]03  Windfall.esm04  You Are Here.esm05  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.2.1]06  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]07  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]08  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.73]09  Qarls_Harvest.esm0A  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]0B  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]0C  VASE - core.esm0D  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm0E  CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm0F  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]10  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]11  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]12  Artifacts.esm  [Version 1.1]13  Better Cities Resources.esm  [Version 4.9.5]14  bookplacing.esm  [Version 1]15  CURP_Controller.esm16  NNWAEMaster.esm17  CM Partners.esm18  HorseCombatMaster.esm19  ScreenEffects.esm**  TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp**  TNR - ShiveringIsles.esp1A  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.4]1B  DLCShiveringIsles.esp1C  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.1]++  Shivering OOO.esp**  DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk UOS.esp**  DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk DG_DS UOS.esp**  TNR ALL RACES FINAL Vwalk UOS.esp1D  Better Cities .esp1E  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp1F  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp++  Francesco's Dark Seducer Weapons Patch.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]20  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]21  Fran Armor Add-on.esp22  Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp23  NaturalHabitat.esp24  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.2]25  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.2.1]26  Immersive Interiors.esp  [Version 0.7]27  Immersive Interiors - Lights Addon.esp  [Version 0.7]28  OBGE - Liquid Water.esp++  Symphony of Violence.esp29  MIS Low Wind.esp2A  MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp2B  Atmospheric Oblivion.esp2C  PowerAttack Voicemod - The Shivering Isles.esp2D  Storms & Sound.esp2E  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.2.1]2F  WindowLightingSystem.esp30  AliveWaters.esp31  AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp32  AliveWaters - Slaughterfish Addon.esp33  Ayleid Loot EXtension.esp34  Ayleid Loot EXtension - OOO Dungeons.esp35  Book Jackets Oblivion - BP.esp36  ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp37  Guide Books.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.78]38  Qarls_Harvest.esp39  RAEVWD Cities.esp  [Version 1.9]3A  RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp  [Version 1.6.1]3B  Reznod_Mannequin.esp3C  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 5.2.2]3D  BookTrackerOBSE.esp3E  DropLitTorchOBSE.esp  [Version 2.4]3F  DynamicLeveledLists.esp40  FormID Finder4.esp41  Get Wet.esp42  kuerteeCleanUp.esp43  Streamline 3.1.esp44  Dynamic Map.esp  [Version 2.0]45  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.9]46  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.5]47  Guild Map Markers.esp48  DLCHorseArmor.esp49  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]4A  DLCOrrery.esp4B  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]**  DLCOrrery Vwalk.esp4C  DLCVileLair.esp4D  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]**  Lair_mobs.esp4E  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp4F  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]**  Mehrunes_mobs.esp**  DLCMehrunesRazor Vwalk UOP.esp50  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]**  Book Jackets DLC.esp++  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp++  CSR - Golden Saint.esp++  FineWeapons.esp++  RustyItems.esp51  SentientWeapon.esp  [Version 3]52  XiaNewAmuletsV1.esp**  Armamentium female.esp53  DLCThievesDen.esp54  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.8]**  DLCThievesDen Vwalk UOP.esp**  Thievesden_mobs.esp55  KDCircletsOOOOptimized - NPC Equip.esp  [Version 1.2]++  FCOM_KDCircletsOOOOptimizedNPCEquip.esp  [Version 0.9.9]56  Slof's Oblivion Robe Trader.esp57  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.73]58  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]59  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp5A  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]5B  Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp++  FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp  [Version 0.9.9]5C  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.09]5D  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]5E  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]++  OOO-Water_Weeds.esp  [Version 1.33]++  OOO_XiaNewAmulets Addon.esp  [Version 0.5]++  CSR - Fine Iron.esp**  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul Vwalk.esp**  OMOBS.esp  [Version 1.0]**  OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 1.0]5F  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]60  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]61  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp  [Version 0.9.9beta2]62  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]63  FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp  [Version 0.9.9]64  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_SaferRoads.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]65  Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]66  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]67  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]68  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3f]++  VASE - Cyrodiil for MMM.esp++  VASE - Vanilla SI.esp++  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  TamrielTravellerAdvscript.esp  [Version 1.40Alpha]69  TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp  [Version 1.39c]**  TamrielTravellers4OOO Vwalk.esp6A  TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp  [Version 1.39c]++  FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]**  FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]++  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]6B  Qarls_Harvest addon_MMM.esp6C  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.73]**  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4FCOM.esp6D  KvatchAftermath.esp6E  Ivellon.esp  [Version 1.8]6F  Anduril Reforged.esp70  Artifacts.esp  [Version 1.1]**  ArtifactsFemaleArmor.esp++  Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp  [Version 1.0]71  BladeSong.esp72  BrotherhoodRenewed.esp  [Version 1.0.11]73  EM_RedRoseManor.esp74  Gift of Kynareth.esp75  GTAesgaard.esp76  GTAesgaard_2.esp77  KumikoManor.esp78  GlenvarCastle.esp**  GlenvarCastle Vwalk.esp79  LetThePeopleDrink.esp  [Version 2.5]7A  LetThePeopleDrink-Cobl.esp  [Version 2.5]7B  LostSwordOfTheAylied.esp7C  LostSwordOfTheAylied - OBSE Add-On.esp7D  Malevolent.esp**  Malevolent Vwalk.esp7E  NNWAREAyleidDungeons_Series1EV.esp  [Version 2.2]7F  NNWAEDungeons-Series2EV.esp80  NNWARE06-RhyeliaEmeroEV.esp81  The Ayleid Steps.esp  [Version 3.4]**  The Ayleid Steps Vwalk.esp82  TheElderCouncil.esp83  TheElderCouncil_TempleOfTheOne.esp84  TEC_4ERA_Dialog_Filter.esp85  TheForgottenShields.esp86  VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp87  Vampire Hunting - Order of the Virtuous Blood.esp88  VHBloodlines 1.2.esp  [Version 1.5.2]++  VHBloodlines 1.2 Vwalk.esp89  WOTFH_1.3.esp8A  Windfall.esp**  Windfall Vwalk.esp8B  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp8C  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]**  Battlehorn_mobs.esp8D  DLCFrostcrag.esp8E  FrostcragRebornCobl.esp**  DLCFrostcrag Vwalk.esp8F  Knights.esp**  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.1]**  Knights Vwalk UOP.esp**  EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp90  Cybiades.esp  [Version 2.1]91  CybiadesDungeon.esp  [Version 2.1]**  Cybiades Vwalk.esp92  TOTF.esp**  TOTF Vwalk.esp93  RTT.esp**  RTT Vwalk.esp94  The Lost Spires.esp**  The Lost Spires Vwalk.esp95  Mighty Umbra.esp96  Ungarion1TheWelkyndSword.esp  [Version 1.4]97  Blood&Mud.esp98  Blood&Mud - EE patch.esp  [Version 4.2]**  Blood&Mud Vwalk.esp99  Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp9A  Origin of the Mages Guild.esp  [Version 7.3]9B  The Mystery of the Dulan cult.esp9C  TheNecromancer.esp9D  MannimarcoComplete.esp9E  MannimarcoRevisited.esp9F  MannimarcoRevisitedOOO.esp  [Version 0.1]++  FCOM_MightyUmbra.esp  [Version 0.9.9]A0  FCOM_Blood&Mud.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_WelkyndSwordBlood&Mud.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_SlofsRobeTrader.esp  [Version 0.9.9]A1  FCOM_OMG.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_OMGSRT.esp  [Version 0.9.9]A2  FCOM_DulanCult.esp  [Version 0.9.9]A3  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp++  FCOM_EnhancedDaedricInvasion.esp  [Version 0.9.9]A4  HeartOftheDead.esp  [Version 6.5]**  HeartOftheDead Vwalk.espA5  bartholm.espA6  bartholm - EE patch.esp  [Version 4.2]**  bartholm Vwalk.esp++  FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp  [Version 0.9.9]A7  Better Cities - House price patch.esp  [Version 1.0]A8  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]A9  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]AA  Cliff_BetterLetters.esp  [Version 1.1]AB  HUD Status Bars.esp  [Version 2.0.1]AC  DecoratorAssistant with OBSE v1.1.espAD  EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp++  more books teach.espAE  PersuasionOverhaul.esp  [Version 1.43]++  PersuasionOverhaul_OOO.esp  [Version 1.2]++  Enhanced Vegetation [100%].espAF  Storms & Sound - Bartholm.espB0  Storms & Sound - Blood&Mud.espB1  Storms & Sound - The Lost Spires.espB2  Storms & Sound - Better Cities.espB3  StarX Vampire Deaths.espB4  Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp  [Version 3.2.0]B5  Wrye Shivering.esp  [Version 08]B6  Enhanced Economy - House prices.esp  [Version 1.0]B7  Quest Award Leveller.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Battlehorn Castle.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.espB8  RealisticForceMedium.espB9  RealisticMagicForceMedium.espBA  StarX Vanilla Vampires Revised.espBB  StarX VVR_OOO_FCOM Patch.esp++  Starx-OVB Patch.espBC  Advanced Magecraft.espBD  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.90b]BE  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_DLCSpellTome.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_OOO.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_MMM.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_COBL.esp  [Version 0.90]BF  SM_EnchantStaff.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_VanillaSpells.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_NoSpellLights.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_Scrolls.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_SigilStone.esp  [Version 0.90]C0  MidasSpells.espC1  StealthOverhaul.espC2  Enter The Shinobi - Coors916.espC3  Mounted_Spellcasting_Deadly_Reflex_Compatible.espC4  Enhanced Mercantile Progress.esp  [Version 2.0]C5  Kobu's Character Advancement System.espC6  Kobu's Cure for Fatigue Mod.esp  [Version 1.0.1]C7  Kobu's Lighter Backpack Mod.espC8  SP1stPLegs.esp++  Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp  [Version 0.78]++  Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag Reborn.esp  [Version 0.78]++  Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk.esp  [Version 0.78]++  Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk, reduced.esp  [Version 0.78]C9  CM Partners.espCA  eyja.esp**  eyja Vwalk.esp**  CM Partners Vwalk.espCB  CM Partners Special NPCs.esp**  CM Partners Special NPCs Vwalk.espCC  CM Partners NPC NE.esp**  CM Partners NPC NE Vwalk.espCD  CM Partners More NPCs NE.esp**  CM Partners More NPCs NE Vwalk.espCE  CM Partners Marker NPCs.esp**  CM Partners Marker NPCs Vwalk.espCF  CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp**  CM Partners Extra NPCs Vwalk.espD0  1em_Vilja.esp  [Version 3.1]**  1em_Vilja OOO FCOM Fix.espD1  bgBalancingEVCore.esp  [Version 10.5EV-D]++  EVE_KhajiitFix.esp**  Better Redguard v2.esp**  Better Redguard v2 Vwalk.esp**  TamrielTravellers Cosmetics Cobl or RBP.espD2  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]**  bgMagicEV Vwalk.esp++  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]D3  bgMagicBonus.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]D4  bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalFangs.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalMoreEyes.esp  [Version 10]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalBetterRedguards.esp**  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, TNR Merge Better Redguards.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp  [Version 10.]D5  bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D1.62EV]**  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversityLAME.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalSeamReducerHighElfFix.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]D6  bgIntegrationEV.esp  [Version 0.993]**  bgIntegrationEV - Alternative NPC Faces by LazyMonk.esp  [Version 0.99]++  bgIntegrationEV - Unique Clothes.esp  [Version 0.99]**  bgIntegrationEV Vwalk.espD7  Better Cities Full - B&M Edition.esp  [Version 4.9.1]D8  Better Imperial City.esp  [Version 4.9.1]D9  Better Cities - All Natural.esp  [Version 4.9.5]**  Better Cities Full - B&M Edition Vwalk.espDA  Better Cities - Ruined Tail's Tale.esp  [Version 4.8.0]DB  Better Cities - Tears of the Fiend.esp  [Version 4.7.0]DC  Better Cities - VHBloodlines.esp  [Version 4.8.4]**  Better Imperial City Vwalk.espDD  Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp  [Version 4.9.1]DE  Better Imperial City - OMG.esp  [Version 4.7.0]DF  Better Cities - The Lost Spires.esp  [Version 4.9.5]E0  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2.1]**  Better Cities - No LEYAWIIN Flooding.esp  [Version 4.9.0]E1  Better Cities Full - B&M Edition FPS Patch.esp  [Version 4.9.5]E2  LessMessages.esp**  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp  [Version 1.68]E3  bgMagicLightningbolt.esp**  FCOM_Archery.esp  [Version 0.9.9]E4  DeadlyReflex 6 - Combat Moves.esp++  SM_DeadlyReflex.esp  [Version 0.90]++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.2]E5  LandMagicPatch.espE6  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

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Active OBSE pluginsElys_USV.dllFastExit2.dllNifSE.dllOBSE_Elys_Pluggy.dllOBSE_Elys_Uncapper.dllOBSE_Kyoma_MenuQue.dllrefstuff_plugin.dllRuntimeEditorIDs.dllsr_Oblivion_Stutter_Remover.dllweOCPS.dll

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weOCPS.log Snippet:Sun May 01 11:20:35 2011	OCPS build 2009-03-28 prevented crash at offset 0x0018fba6 (eip: 0x0058fba6, sub_58FBA0).	Link to 0x00000000 is faulty!					eax=00000000 ebx=00000000 ecx=00000000 edx=348de938 esi=348de938 edi=00000000 esp=0018f608 ebp=00000000Sun May 01 11:20:51 2011	OCPS build 2009-03-28 prevented crash at offset 0x0003962b (eip: 0x0043962b, sub_4395D0).	NULL-pointer reference!					eax=00000000 ebx=18b24a01 ecx=1c8583db edx=0381bf90 esi=0018efe0 edi=0018efb8 esp=0018ef5c ebp=00000000

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:10 am

That's quite an impressive load order if it's been stable for you up till now. I honestly don't know much about Liquid Water but have you tried de-activating it and testing? Maybe read the Relz thread to see if there's some known issue. Possibly a conflict with Alive Waters?

Small observation;

79 LetThePeopleDrink.esp [Version 2.5]
7A LetThePeopleDrink-Cobl.esp [Version 2.5]

You don't need both. Rename the Cobl one to be LetThePeopleDrink.esp, as per the readme.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:04 am

You don't need both. Rename the Cobl one to be LetThePeopleDrink.esp, as per the readme.

Nice Catch on that one. I've tried disabling OBGE - Liquid Water altogether, but to no avail. To my knowledge, there shouldn't be a conflict between Alive Waters and Liquid Water, as the latter relates to shaders and the former to aquatic life, but it's as good a place to start testing as any other. Anyway, thanks for your response.