Hi everyone! I've installed Oblivion a while ago after some time without playing. I was able to play without problems for a while (about 30 hours in game), when suddenly I started getting CTDs every time I entered the IC.

I installed a lot of mods right from the start, and I almost didn't change them until now; however, I can't say for sure the changes I made before this problem appeared. Note that before this I was going and coming from the IC all the time, and I never witnessed any serious problems.

Then, I went away for some time, did some quest and so on, and upon returning to the IC, I entered Talos Plaza and, after walking a few metres... crash. I have the Oblivion Crash Prevention System installed, and it prevented a couple of crashes (I could hear two error sounds), and it disabled both the "esc" key and the activate key. A moment after that, a third crash happened, and it couldn't be prevented.

I reloaded a previous save, when I was far away from the IC, and played it differently, but in the end I came back to the IC and the crash was still there. I don't know where the problem could be... if you can, please help me!

I've seen Tbird0318's topic a little below mine, but even with similar symptoms, it seems my problem lies elsewhere...

Here is my load order:

Masters for: Save 901 - Thadarien - Isola della città, Level 6, Playing Time 31.27.43.ess00  Oblivion.esm01  Jog_X_Mod.esm02  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 01]03  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm04  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm05  MD_Saddle_Master.esm06  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 01]07  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 01]08  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 01]09  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm0A  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 01]0B  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 01]0C  Artifacts.esm  [Version 01]0D  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm0E  CM Partners.esm0F  Toaster Says Share v3.esm10  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp11  UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp12  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp13  DLCShiveringIsles.esp14  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp15  SM Plugin Refurbish - SI.esp  [Version 01]16  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp17  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp18  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp19  Francesco's Optional Leveled Quests-SI only.esp1A  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 01]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 01]1B  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 01]1C  Fran Armor Add-on.esp1D  Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp1E  Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp1F  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 01]20  All Natural.esp  [Version 01]21  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 01]++  All Natural - EW + NW + AWS.esp  [Version 01]22  Enhanced Water v2.0 HDMI.esp23  ln.esp24  Drum_Fix.esp25  Rainbows.esp26  LightsOut.esp27  WindowLightingSystem.esp28  300_Lore_Dialogue_Updated.esp  [Version 01]++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 01]29  kuerteeSittableRocks.esp2A  Musical Immersion 1.0.esp2B  Q - More and Moldy Ingredients v1.1.esp2C  Slof's Oblivion Pillow Book.esp2D  SoT_Holiday.esp2E  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 01]2F  Crowded Roads Advanced less crowded.esp  [Version 01]30  travellers-new balance.esp31  Immersive Travelers.esp32  FF_Real_Thirst.esp33  Choices and Consequences.esp  [Version 01]34  C&C - The Blackwood Company.esp35  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 01]36  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 01]37  sr_super_hotkeys.esp38  DLCHorseArmor.esp39  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 01]3A  SM Plugin Refurbish - HorseArmor.esp  [Version 01]3B  DLCOrrery.esp3C  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 01]3D  SM Plugin Refurbish - Orrery.esp3E  DLCVileLair.esp3F  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 01]++  SM Plugin Refurbish - VileLair.esp  [Version 01]40  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp41  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 01]42  SM Plugin Refurbish - MehrunesRazor.esp  [Version 01]43  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 01]44  Thieves Arsenal.esp++  Thieves_Arsenal_Patch_033010.esp45  XiaNewAmuletsV1.esp46  Command Mount.esp47  Dude Wheres My Horse.esp48  MD Saddlebags v3.0.esp49  DLCThievesDen.esp4A  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 01]4B  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp4C  SM Plugin Refurbish - ThievesDen.esp  [Version 01]4D  KDCircletsOOOOptimized - NPC Equip.esp  [Version 01]++  FCOM_KDCircletsOOOOptimizedNPCEquip.esp  [Version 01]4E  ExnemRuneskulls.esp++  FCOM_ExnemRuneskulls.esp  [Version 01]4F  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 01]50  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 01]51  FF_Real_Thirst, Cobl.esp52  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 01]++  FCOM_Cobl.esp  [Version 01]53  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp54  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 01]55  Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp56  FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp  [Version 01]57  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp58  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 01]59  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 01]5A  OOO-No_Guild_Ownership.esp  [Version 01]5B  OOO_XiaNewAmulets Addon.esp  [Version 01]5C  Choices and Consequences - OOO.esp  [Version 01]5D  ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp  [Version 01]5E  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 01]5F  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 01]++  FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp  [Version 01]60  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 01]61  FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp62  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 01]++  FCOM_SaferRoads.esp  [Version 01]63  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 01]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 01]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp  [Version 01]64  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp  [Version 01]65  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 01]66  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 01]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 01]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot.esp  [Version 01]++  FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp  [Version 01]++  FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp  [Version 01]++  FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp  [Version 01]**  FCOM_Archery.esp  [Version 01]67  FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp68  FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp69  TIE In.esp  [Version 01]++  TIE In - ExnemRuneskulls.esp  [Version 01]++  TIE In - Cobl.esp  [Version 01]6A  TIE In - FCOM Convergence.esp  [Version 01]++  TIE In - RealSwords.esp  [Version 01]++  TIE In - DiverseGuardUnity.esp  [Version 01]++  TIE In - BobsGuardUnity.esp  [Version 01]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 01]++  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 01]++  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 01]++  PersuasionOverhaul_OOO.esp  [Version 01]++  PersuasionOverhaul_MMM.esp  [Version 01]++  FineWeapons for OOO.esp**  RustyItems for OOO.esp6B  C&C - The Blackwood Company - OOO.esp++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 01]6C  300_Artifacts.esp++  Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp  [Version 01]6D  Bravil Dark Brotherhood.esp6E  Bruma_City_Dark_Brotherhood_Hideout_by_ssj4goku111-7870.esp6F  Dark Brotherhood Outpost v3.1.esp70  hackdirtabyss.esp71  Hideout2_0.3.esp72  Dirtier Waterfront.esp73  JADImperialApartments01Temple.esp74  JADImperialApartments02Temple.esp75  JADImperialApartments03Temple.esp76  Jagnot- Imperial City Library V1.3.esp77  Kragenir's Death Quest.esp78  KDQ - Rural Line Additions.esp79  300_White Stallion 4.esp7A  300 White Stallion 4 - OOO.esp7B  Kragenirs_WhiteStallion_Compat.esp7C  Kvatch Rebuilt.esp++  Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp7D  Kvatch Rebuilt - Leveled Guards - FCOM.esp++  Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp7E  EiAmod.esp  [Version 1.1]++  EiAmod_ShiveringIsles.esp++  EiAmod_ChoicesandConsequences.esp7F  LetThePeopleDrink.esp  [Version 2.5]80  KragenirsDeathQuest-LetThePeopleDrink patch.esp81  Mad Mike's Crypts of Cyrodiil.esp82  The Ayleid Steps.esp  [Version 3.3.2]83  thievery.esp84  thievery - EE patch.esp  [Version 1.0]85  VaultsofCyrodiil.esp86  Villages1.1.esp87  Cyrodiil Travel Services.esp  [Version 2.0]88  za_bankmod.esp89  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp8A  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]8B  SM Plugin Refurbish - Battlehorn.esp  [Version 1.30]8C  Artificerens Battlehorn Coblized.esp8D  Lynges_Thieves_Highway-10256.esp8E  DLCfrostcrag.esp8F  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]90  SM Plugin Refurbish - FrostCrag.esp  [Version 1.2]91  Knights.esp92  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]++  SM Plugin Refurbish - Knights.esp  [Version 1.06]93  Choices and Consequences - SM Plugin Refurbish - Orrery.esp  [Version 2.0]++  TIE In - Knights.esp  [Version 1.2b]++  DLC_MOBS.esp94  The Lost Spires.esp95  AFK_Weye.esp96  Mighty Umbra.esp97  Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_MightyUmbra.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]98  Gah Falquan Umarile.esp99  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp++  FCOM_EnhancedDaedricInvasion.esp  [Version 0.9.9]9A  ElsweyrAnequina.esp9B  road+bridges.esp  [Version 4.5.5]9C  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.4]9D  LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp9E  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]9F  xulTheHeath.espA0  MMMMWL-TheHeath patch.espA1  XulEntiusGorge.espA2  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]A3  LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp  [Version 1.2]A4  Anequina-Fallenleaf-Patch.espA5  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]A6  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]A7  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]A8  KragenirsDeathQuest-LostCoast patch.espA9  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.2]AA  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3]AB  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.2]AC  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]AD  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]AE  KragenirsDeathQuest-CloudtopMountains patch.espAF  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]B0  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]B1  xulRollingHills_EV.esp  [Version 1.3.2]B2  MMMMWL-RollingHills patch.espB3  KragenirsDeathQuest-RollingHills patch.espB4  xulPantherRiver.espB5  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]B6  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.0.2]B7  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.3]B8  xulBlackwoodForest.espB9  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]BA  KvatchRebuilt-CheydinhalFalls patch.espBB  Villages-CheydinhalFalls patch.espBC  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.1]BD  xulSkingradOutskirts.espBE  NRB4+UL-II+LtPD Patch.esp  [Version 3.0.1]BF  EtInArkay-UniqueLandscapes Merged patch.espC0  West Roads.espC1  WR Villages Addon.espC2  bartholm.espC3  Bartholm-Panther River Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]C4  bartholm - EE patch.esp  [Version 1.0]C5  OTEP - Aleswell.esp  [Version 1.6]C6  JADDockTunnel.esp++  FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp  [Version 0.9.9]C7  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]C8  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]C9  Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 DT.espCA  Exterior Actors Have Torches 1.3 DT.espCB  FG_Merchant Inventory Realism V 1_5.espCC  Oblivifall - Let's Talk!.esp  [Version 1.1]CD  P1DkeyChain.esp  [Version 5.00]CE  PersuasionOverhaul.esp  [Version 1.43]CF  Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp  [Version 3.08]++  Enhanced Vegetation [100%].espD0  Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp  [Version 3.1.1]D1  Roleplaying Dialogues.esp++  TIE In - Rebalance.esp  [Version 1.2b]++  TIE In - Salmo, Cobl.esp  [Version 1.2b]++  TIE In - SlofsHorses.esp  [Version 1.2b]++  TIE In - Kvatch Rebuilt.esp  [Version 1.2b]++  TIE In - DLCOrrery.esp  [Version 1.2b]++  TIE In - DLCThievesDen.esp  [Version 1.2b]++  TIE In - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 1.2b]D2  Cliff_Roleplayingcharacter.esp  [Version 2.1]D3  RealisticFatigue.espD4  RealisticForceMedium.espD5  RealisticMagicForceMedium.espD6  RealSleepExtended.esp  [Version 2.3.4]D7  PJs Spell Compendium - Spell Requirements.espD8  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.89]D9  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.86]++  SM_DLCSpellTome.esp  [Version 0.80]++  SM_OOO.esp  [Version 0.89]++  SM_MMM.esp  [Version 0.89]++  SM_COBL.esp  [Version 0.86]DA  SM_EnchantStaff.esp  [Version 0.80]++  SM_UnlockSpells.esp  [Version 0.70]++  SM_Scrolls.esp  [Version 0.84]++  SM_SigilStone.esp  [Version 0.83]DB  MidasSpells.espDC  Midas OscuroGems.espDD  StealthOverhaul.espDE  DD_ProximitySneakPenalty.espDF  SM Bounty.esp  [Version 1.22c]++  CoblDeathFix.esp  [Version 1.20]E0  nGCD.espE1  nGCD Oghma Infinium.esp++  nGCD Skeleton Key.esp++  Immediate Character Generation.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - Cyrodiil + SI.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - Knights.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - Mehrunes Razor.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - Thieves Den.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - OOO.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - Kvatch Rebuilt.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - Thievery.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - Lost Spires.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - Elsweyr.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - UL Colovian Highlands.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - UL Lost Coast.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - UL Brena.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - UL Blackwood Forest.esp++  Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp  [Version 0.78]++  Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag Reborn.esp  [Version 0.78]++  Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk.esp  [Version 0.78]E2  Toaster Says Share Faction Recruitment.espE3  CM Partners.espE4  Companion Postal Service.espE5  bgBalancingEVCore.esp  [Version 10.52EV-D]E6  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]E7  bgMagicBonus.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]E8  bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp  [Version 1.68EV]E9  bgMagicAlchemy.esp  [Version 1.57]EA  bgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.esp  [Version 1.68UV]++  bgMagicEVNoSorting.esp++  bgMagicEVStartspellsNoSorting.espEB  bgBalancingOptionalLessHealth.esp  [Version 10.0UV-U]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalClasses.esp  [Version 9.0EV-U]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalFangs.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalMoreEyes.esp  [Version 10]**  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, Vanilla.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp  [Version 10.]**  bgBalancingOptionalNPCDiversityKvatchRebuilt, for Wrye Bash.esp  [Version 9.0EV-D]EC  bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp  [Version 10.51EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D1.62EV]**  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversityLAME.esp  [Version 10.5EV-D]ED  bgIntegrationEV.esp  [Version 0.993]++  Disable Tutorial Text.esp++  bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp  [Version 1.68]EE  bgMagicLightningbolt.esp++  Visually Enchanted Fire 3.esp++  Visually Enchanted Frost 2.esp++  Visually Enchanted Shock 1.esp++  Visually Realistic Lava.espEF  Real Hunger, Cobl.esp  [Version 1.6.1]F0  NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 0.9.9]F1  Bashed Patch, 0.espF2  FormID Finder4.espF3  Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esp  [Version 0.2]F4  Streamline 3.1.esp

Is something clearly wrong with it?
I determined most of it with BOSS, with 2/3 exceptions for mods it didn't know, but nothing mayor.

Can you please help me? Thanks!

Have you tried rebuilding your bashed patch and waiting out for the cells to respawn? Just in case there's a bad spawn or bad data left over from your previous load order. Try going to the testing hall ("coc testinghall" in the console) and waiting there for however long your cell respawn time is set for (if you're not sure wait for 30 days to be on the safe side). Then try re-entering the IC.

Has that load order been run through BOSS. Some of it seems out of place compared to mine, but it's hard to be specific. Nevermind, my mistake here.

You also seem to have some outdated mods, or files that should have been removed after an update (like Exnem's Runeskulls)

Finally, do you have any idea why the first hundred mods or so are all showing (Version 01) instead of their proper version numbers? Are the proper version numbers still in the description box for those files? Where did you acquire the files from if the version numbers are missing?

I rebuild the patch every time I make any kind of changes to the esp, even when I'm not sure its necessary; I still didn't try respawning. I will try, thanks!



I've downloaded most mods from TESNexus or this forum, and I looked for newer version when searching for big or important mods. I installed all mods with OBMM, creating OMODs when needed (and rearraging files within the archive before creating the OMOD, if needed); I didn't change the version for mods without OMOD conversion data, but I don't think it should touch the esp... or does it?

I didn't know I had outdated mods, or that I had to remove some of these files. Can you be more specific? Also, why should Exnem's Runeskulls be removed?

Sorry but I didn't play Oblivion for months; I just started with a FCOM installation, adding optional plugins to it as I liked, but I may have done something wrong there.

Thanks!

It's really hard to tell what's out of date without those version numbers. Could you try using the mods tab (right click the header, choose "List Mods") and see if that gives a different listing with the version numbers.

That said, Runeskulls are now integrated into MMM, so these two aren't needed:
4E ExnemRuneskulls.esp
++ FCOM_ExnemRuneskulls.esp [Version 01]

You already have the MMM loot plugin in your load order.

It's recommended not to use ++ FCOM_Cobl.esp [Version 01] right now, as it results in some duplication with MMM-Cobl and OOO-cobl. This is currently being rebuilt entirely.

66 Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp [Version 01] this was updated to fix a potentially serious bug, so make sure you have the new version from the MMM thread.

And I don't think TIE In is well integrated with FCOM yet.

I've followed some of your advice and looked thoroughly through BOSS log file, and now it works!
I disabled ExnemRuneskulls.esp, FCOM_ExnemRuneskulls.esp, TIE In - ExnemRuneskulls.esp
I also disabled TIE In - RealSwords.esp, TIE In - DiverseGuardUnity.esp, TIE In - BobsGuardUnity.esp since I had TIE In - FCOM Convergence.esp active, according to BOSS they shouldn't be used together since the FCOM patch includes everything needed for a full FCOM installation
I disabled DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp, since I'm using Frostcrag Reborn and there could be incompatibilities
Finally, I disabled Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp and TIE In - Salmo, Cobl.esp, since BOSS said Salmo could cause random CTDs... maybe he was the culprit?

I still don't know about the version numbers. Listing mods through the Mods tab gives the same result. I think I'm using the latest versions of all mods that could give compatibility problems, I checked every readme files for compatibility when installing... including mods not compatible with old versions of other mods. I'm sure I have the Diverse WaterLife patch, anyway

Thanks for pointing me to the errors!

I don't want to harp on this, but it's really confusing me and I'd like to know if there's a problem that needs to be fixed.

If you click on Mart's Monster Mod.esm in Wrye Bash, whats in the description box? Like in this image: http://i47.tinypic.com/155lxqo.png

Mh, it says version 01. I installed it using the OMOD installer for MMM and UFCOM... I followed the instructions in that thread. Maybe there are problems in some of the packages, or in the omod conversion data?

The full text is:

Martigen's Monster Mod
Version: 01

The ultimate creature mod. More than 200+ new creatures and NPCs, advanced behaviour and combat AI, hand-tailored loot drops, dynamic size and stat scaling, interfaction relationships, and much more!

Those version tags. They don't seem legit to me, they're on files that should not have them like the UOMP files etc. This looks like the content came from a mod pack. Especially telling since the All Natural files don't come with "Version 01" in their descriptions.

All Natural may be correct since I reinstalled it earlier today thinking it may be involved in the IC crash; maybe something added those version tags to everything AFTER installation, and reinstalling the All Natural omod replaced the "corrupt" files with correct ones.

There is nothing in MMM/FCOM Installer that would change Version numbers either..

So Once again where did you get your MMM from..?

I downloaded it from the MMM/FCOM omod installer thread http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/995334-mmm-and-fcom-omod-installers/

Anyway, since the problem doesn't concern only MMM, I think it probably has to do with an error in Wrye Bash or OBMM rather than a specific mod... I had a crash while building a bashed patch, maybe that caused the problem? I rebuilt it afterwards of course; still, I thought Wrye Bash simply read from the plugins while building, without changing them, and it only wrote data to the Bashed patch, 0.esp. Is it possible?

Anyway, I'll slowly reinstall the mods with wrong version numbers. I'll let you know if the correct one is restored

By reinstalling the mods, the correct version number is restored; I've reinstalled all mods starting with "A" (or numbers) now, and they show with the correct version number. For example, Armamentarium shows as 1.35, and Artifacts as 1.1. So the problem doesn't lie in the mods themselves, but in some process that went wrong

Well, in that case can you repost your load order? As long as we were looking at it anyway, we might as well check everything again.

Let me reinstall ALL mods first... or at least all mods that had wrong version numbers... then I'll post the new load order! (I removed a few mods I didn't use in the meantime, and added a little more)

Here's the new load order! Something has changed, as I said previously. There are some new mods, while some others were removed. In any case, the version numbers are now correct

Is anything wrong with it?

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Windfall.esm02  Jog_X_Mod.esm03  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 0.9.9]04  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm05  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm06  MD_Saddle_Master.esm07  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]08  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]09  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]0A  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm0B  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]0C  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]0D  Artifacts.esm  [Version 1.1]0E  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm0F  CM Partners.esm10  Toaster Says Share v3.esm11  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.6]12  UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp  [Version 1.0.0]13  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp14  DLCShiveringIsles.esp15  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]16  SM Plugin Refurbish - SI.esp  [Version 1.30]17  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp18  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp19  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp1A  Francesco's Optional Leveled Quests-SI only.esp1B  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1C  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1D  Fran Armor Add-on.esp1E  Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp1F  Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp20  All Natural - 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12 UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp [Version 1.0.0]

There's an option for this now in the bashed patch, if you want to clear a spot.

++ FCOM_Cobl.esp [Version 0.9.9]

Best to remove this for now....duplication issues with OOO-Cobl and MMM-Cobl.

59 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.33]
5A OOO-No_Guild_Ownership.esp [Version 1.33]

There's a problem here. These two are mismatched with the OOO.esm, which is version 1.34. Don't try to use OOO-Lite if that is what you are attempting, otherwise, replace these two files. Maybe reinstall the OOO 1.34b5 patch

++ Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

Corepc also released a file that integrates Horse Armor with Slof's horses. You can find it in the MMM thread.

Thanks! I did eveything you suggested - and also added the playable undead armor and flying runeskulls from the optional MMM addons.

I reinstalled the OOO 1.34 patch, to be sure; however, it doesn't include a new OOO-No_Guild_Ownership.esp... will it be a problem?

I think the 1.33 version should be fine. I don't recall that file getting updated or needing an update. It's not very popular, so it's a bit hard to recall.

you do not need the flying runeskulls plugin from the MMM Optional Download and Addons Page or Thread

That has been merged for 3.7b3..

Ok thanks, with all these mods I got confused o_O I thought that in the "main" MMM download the runeskulls were present only as loot, and not as flying skulls...

IN 3.7b3 The Flying Skull Variety are Normal, you use the Diverse Runeskulls Loot Plugin OOO to place them has loot etc..To clarfiy that once again