Do I need to do anything special if I want to make a patch plugin, dependent on an .esp that is itself dependent on yet more .esps? I've been esmifying everything, but the CS crashes whenever I try to save my work

For what it's worth, what I'm trying to do is make an .esp that makes Integration's interiors work with the Natural Interiors portion of All Natural... so, I've esmified Integration, LAME, and RBP (Integration is dependent on LAME and RBP, and all three are plugins), and I'm working with those three, All Natural Base.esm, and Oblivion.esm active. Am I doing something grievously wrong here? There's not really a CS wiki topic on nested esmified plugin dependencies, you know?

Thanks for any help

It should work if you Esmify them. You can try actually convetring them into masters with TES4Gecko, and then use Wrye Bash to switch the master to the ESP version when you are done, however.

Edit: You could probably ask this in the AN thread though.

I've been esmifying everything. I simply can't save a new plugin... it's incredibly frustrating

Is there any limit on how many masters a plugin can have? Maybe five is just too many :shrug:

No, five is definitely not the limit. Try the converting to master methods with TES4Gecko. You could also try adding the plugins as masters beforehand with TES4Edit. Maybe that will help TESCS get over itself.

wait are you trying to make an .esp dependant on esmified .esp depending on esmified .esp? doing that wont work for whatever reason, the CS doesnt like doing that.

Oh, good to know. The ESM conversion will work, however. I will add that note to my site, thanks.

Yeah, that's what I'm trying to do... do you have any work-around? I'm trying to use TES4Edit to create a new .esp that makes the cell changes, but I don't know how to flag it for "Act as exterior"

[EDIT] Also, I used the "copy to master" feature of Bash, used Bash to change Integration.esm's masters to the masters instead of the plugins, and it still didn't work... is Gecko's master-maker-thingie different from that?

no i dont have a solution i just worked on the .esp that i was editing with a new 1 and renamed it for merging with the other .esp for updates. this was found in the rimmen thread. ask norinvaux he appearently got it to work. dont know that for sure though, always worth asking.

I do not know about Bash's master maker. (I did not know it had one.) Gecko will copy the ESP as an ESM. I do not see why that would work. Remember you have to convert the dependencies of the newly converted ESM files to ESM files as well. ESMs cannot depend upon ESPs. After converting the ESPs to ESMs you have to edit the masterlists of the newly converted ESM, so that they point to the ESM version instead of the ESPs.

Yep, that's what I've been doing... I tried it with Gecko instead of Bash and it still crashes X(

Are the masterlist all correct in Wrye Bash? green check boxes everywhere and all that?

They're green, but they're not checked (because I've not got them activated except to load them into the CS). If it helps, when I leave Integration as a plugin and try to edit it directly, it works. It takes hella long to save, but it DOES save. Only when I esmify Integration and create a new patch plugin does the CS crash.

After editing Integration are all of its dependencies saved and its masters in the correct order? What is the patch you are trying to make afterward?

Yes. I only edited Integration to test it... what I'm actually trying to do is make a patch plugin that sets its interior cells to use Natural Interiors weathers. I'd really like to have a separate file that I can just import cells from into my Bashed Patch, but it's looking like, for whatever reason, I might just have to settle for directly editing the original plugin.

Edit the original plugins, and then use TES4Edit to copy the modification into a new plugin. Then change the plugin's master files record to point to the appropriate ESP files.

:facepalm: I'm an idiot. I've been trying to do just that since the CS was crashing on me, I've just never been able to come up with an idea... thank you. I'm sure this will work

It's okay ishmaeltheforsaken....

Success!!! That is to say, probably success. As in, the plugin's there. I haven't tested it in-game yet, but there's absolutely no reason whatsoever that it shouldn't work. With any luck, I'll soon be hearing the pitter patter of the rain falling on Merendin's stone :clap:

Thanks again, Tomlong... I'd probably have given up before it occured to me to just edit the plugin directly and copy the changes into a new plugin :cake:

I will make notes of this on my ESP esmifying page. This should prove useful to others as well.


Congrats!
- Tomlong75210