[Help] Crash upon choosing a perk, or levelup via console : Fallout 3

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:32 pm

Below are two load orders I have tried, but upon exiting the level up screen either by selecting the perk, or by changing my level in the console with setlevel -- the game crashes, not the usual crash to desktop... the game just freezes and I have to bring up the task manger to get out of it, or in bad cases, turn off the computer...

I have been using a new feature in the Levellers chamber to lower my level so I can continue gaining perks after hitting the peak, and I do have some menu edits to make it so I can continue adding points to my skills... is there a limit to how many perks a player character can aquire?

First load order is my Full Balo list from Garry Bash!

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However in the hopes that my problem was caused by load order troubles I had disabled the balo locking feature and tried to run it by BOSS instead:

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Active Mod Files:00  fallout3.esm01  anchorage.esm02  thepitt.esm03  brokensteel.esm04  pointlookout.esm05  zeta.esm06  hairday.esm07  impervious power armour.esm08  craft.esm09  calibr.esm  [Version 1.4]0A  xcalibr.esm0B  xcalibruniverse.esm0C  project beauty.esm0D  vault 101 revisited.esm0E  cubeexperimental (en).esm0F  mart's mutant mod.esm10  lingsfinerthings.esm11  companion core.esm12  companion share & recruit.esm13  robco certified v2.esm14  rts nw.esm15  enhancedchildren.esm16  aliciascuteshop.esm17  fow - the last child of gallifrey v2.esm18  tubrrcompound.esm19  backtoanchorage.esm1A  lessrocks.esp++  SGsUA - No Borders v.1.0-EN.esp1B  darnifieduif3.esp**  Project Beauty- Broken Steel.esp**  Project Beauty- Point Lookout.esp1C  casm.esp1D  craft - activation perk.esp1E  more hotkeys.esp1F  galaxynewsradio20[m].esp20  upp - pack 1.esp21  upp - pack 2.esp++  UPP - Original Perks.esp22  upp - experience perks.esp23  upp  - quest perks.esp24  dree perks.esp25  dree perks anchorage.esp26  dree perks pitts.esp27  dree perks broken steel.esp28  dree perks point lookout.esp29  dree perks mothership zeta.esp2A  dree perks requested by fans .esp2B  tubrrcompound.esp2C  stealth kills enabled.esp++  Stealth Kills Enabled - Pitt Compatibility.esp2D  echo_batterycharger.esp2E  wastelandmastery.esp2F  undergroundhideout.esp30  levelerschamber.esp31  mymansion.esp32  tailor maid.esp33  tailor maid anchorage.esp34  tailor maid pitt.esp35  tailor maid brokensteel.esp36  asharasbatmanitems.esp37  asharasformalclothing.esp38  sunglassescollection.esp39  companion core dlc addon.esp3A  robco certified v2 mechanist's edition.esp3B  robco certified v2 omnipatch.esp----> Delinquent MASTER: EVE.esp++  RobCo Certified v2 Impervious.esp3C  mr smith's scrapyard.esp3D  eve.esp3E  eve operation anchorage.esp3F  mart's mutant mod.esp40  mart's mutant mod - dlc anchorage.esp41  mart's mutant mod - dlc the pitt.esp42  mart's mutant mod - dlc broken steel.esp++  Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Point Lookout.esp43  mart's mutant mod - dlc zeta.esp44  mart's mutant mod - zones respawn.esp++  Mart's Mutant Mod - Tougher Traders.esp++  Mart's Mutant Mod - Natural Selection.esp++  Mart's Mutant Mod - Master Menu Module.esp**  Mart's Mutant Mod - Project Beauty.esp45  lingsfinerthings.esp46  lucywestcompanion.esp47  t3t_outcasttechsupport.esp48  vault-tec experimental dimensional safe.esp  [Version 1.2.0]49  owned!.esp  [Version 3.0]4A  followershirecontinued-nochecks.esp4B  MZAllAccessPass.esp++  EwwGhoulyBody.esp4C  xcalibruniverse.esp++  CRBSOR.esp4D  bashed patch, 0.esp----> Delinquent MASTER: Burmecian.esp----> Delinquent MASTER: Renamon.esp----> Delinquent MASTER: pregnancy_armors.esp----> Delinquent MASTER: V-Tec Backpack.esp----> Delinquent MASTER: V-Tec Fannypack.esp----> Delinquent MASTER: MZ-Strong-EbonTek.esp----> Delinquent MASTER: GNROutpost-Op.Anch.esp----> Delinquent MASTER: GNR Shop.esp==  COSMETIC=================4E  burmecian.esp4F  renamon.esp50  starfox.esp==  CLOTHING=================51  advancedpowerarmor.esp52  fineleathercoat.esp53  mantiszerosuit.esp  [Version 2.4]54  pregnancy_armors.esp55  qneverclockvaultsuits.esp56  qtoadletvaultsuit.esp57  samuspowersuits.esp58  v-tec backpack.esp59  v-tec fannypack.esp==  WEAPON===================5A  armlaser_v1.0.esp5B  armminigun_v1.0.esp5C  gender bender ray.esp==  OVERHAUL=================5D  anchoragearmortrainer.esp==  MISC.====================5E  multi-pip 3000.esp  [Version 0.2]5F  powerarmortraining.esp60  powerarmortraining_linden.esp61  powerarmortraining_medicarmor.esp==  MAGIC====================62  malos_bodyresize.esp==  MAGIC+2==================63  mz-strong-ebontek.esp==  NPC======================64  clawcompanion.esp  [Version 1.0]==  HOME=====================65  grayditchapartment.esp==  HOME+1===================66  gnrroof.esp67  sg001 alternate mechanists forge v1.01.esp==  PLACE====================68  giantgreenroom.esp69  gnroutpost-op.anch.esp==  PLACE+1==================6A  gnr shop.esp==  QUEST-1==================6B  caravan tracking.esp==  QUEST====================6C  fow - jack harkness companion v2.esp6D  solarscorcher.esp

I've just finiched Mothership Zeta... and I REALLY wanted to get into Broken Steel on this save as it was until now the most stable playthough I'd ever done...

Currently lv 27!

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:18 am

Quick bump since its been a few hours!

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:08 am

Little bump since its gone back a page... don't like having to do this but I really would like to salvage this save...

I have tried loading up earlier saves of this character and the problem persists, in all of them, even though I was an earlier level back then, leading me to belive it is a mod conflict or something....

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:31 pm

Little bump since its gone back a page... don't like having to do this but I really would like to salvage this save...

I have tried loading up earlier saves of this character and the problem persists, in all of them, even though I was an earlier level back then, leading me to belive it is a mod conflict or something....

This bug caused not by your load order or mod's conflict, it caused by OA DLC and MMM
Please take a look here and try to use MMM fix.
http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=3211#fileanchor
I hope it will help you. I don't have OA fix for now for non-FWE users

I have tried loading up earlier saves of this character and the problem persists, in all of them, even though I was an earlier level back then, leading me to belive it is a mod conflict or something....

Interesting, it can not be. Only if you loaded old save after new one. Are you sure?

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:56 pm

This bug caused not by your load order or mod's conflict, it caused by OA DLC and MMM
Please take a look here and try to use MMM fix.
http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=3211#fileanchor
I hope it will help you. I don't have OA fix for now for non-FWE users

Interesting, it can not be. Only if you loaded old save after new one. Are you sure?

I don't save over any of my existing saves, since that has been told that leads to data corruption, I always make a new save!!

I'll try that fix though to see if it helps or not!

Edit: can only see the fomod, normal arcive, and old versions of the mod... no fix...

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:12 am

He might have meant to post this: http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=14886

It is what he posted in the discussion thread for MMM on the nexus site.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:07 am

He might have meant to post this: http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=14886

It is what he posted in the discussion thread for MMM on the nexus site.

Thanks, I'll try that as soon as possible, not gonna have internet for a few days to tell ya about it though, so we'll see...

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:29 pm

Thanks, I'll try that as soon as possible, not gonna have internet for a few days to tell ya about it though, so we'll see...

Check ArmorPowerHelmet "Power Helmet" [ARMO:00014C08] and ArmorPowerHelmetOutcast "Outcast Power Helmet" [ARMO:00060C72] to see if there are scripts attached to either. FOOK came up against Mr. Freeze, and it turned out that ANY script, even if void of commands, attached to either of those vanilla helms might cause this level up freeze, but only with certain saves (generally ones started with FOOK2 v1,0). Currently, we swap out those two helms with identical copies bearing the nightvision script in the event the player has either or both of those two objects to alleviate the freeze and all works out when leveling a compromised save. Mr. Freeze is a real bastid! Good luck.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:49 am

Someone should really invent the Freezatron for New Vegas

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:54 am

Check ArmorPowerHelmet "Power Helmet" [ARMO:00014C08] and ArmorPowerHelmetOutcast "Outcast Power Helmet" [ARMO:00060C72] to see if there are scripts attached to either. FOOK came up against Mr. Freeze, and it turned out that ANY script, even if void of commands, attached to either of those vanilla helms might cause this level up freeze, but only with certain saves (generally ones started with FOOK2 v1,0). Currently, we swap out those two helms with identical copies bearing the nightvision script in the event the player has either or both of those two objects to alleviate the freeze and all works out when leveling a compromised save. Mr. Freeze is a real bastid! Good luck.

Going to have to have a look at the scripts in the power helmets... problem is though, I don't have Fook2 installed, infact the only thing that should be affecting power helmets is Talky's IMPERVIOUS!

Oh and that previous MMM fix did not save my save from crashing on levelup...

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:34 am

Right... not had internet for two weeks....

Loaded up a save before I was close to levelling up, went somewhere safe to fulfull the MMM update prosess... Installed the new MMM, and now the game Opens up fine.... but the main menu doesn't appear... It gets to the main screen with the power armer helmet... but the main screen doesn't appear, nor does the mouse pointer... sometimes I can get the task manager to flicker into view to end the process... sometimes I gotta reset my computer... Help!! D:

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Active Mod Files:00  fallout3.esm01  anchorage.esm02  thepitt.esm03  brokensteel.esm04  pointlookout.esm05  zeta.esm06  craft.esm07  hairday.esm08  calibr.esm  [Version 1.4]09  impervious power armour.esm0A  project beauty.esm0B  vault 101 revisited.esm0C  cubeexperimental (en).esm0D  lingsfinerthings.esm0E  companion core.esm0F  companion share & recruit.esm10  robco certified v2.esm11  rts nw.esm12  enhancedchildren.esm13  aliciascuteshop.esm14  fow - the last child of gallifrey v2.esm15  tubrrcompound.esm16  backtoanchorage.esm17  xCALIBR.esm18  xCALIBRuniverse.esm==  ROOT=====================19  lessrocks.esp==  LIBRARY==================1A  galaxynewsradio20[m].esp==  COSMETIC=================1B  burmecian.esp++  EwwGhoulyBody.esp**  Project Beauty- Broken Steel.esp**  Project Beauty- Point Lookout.esp1C  renamon.esp1D  starfox.esp==  CLOTHING=================1E  advancedpowerarmor.esp1F  asharasbatmanitems.esp20  asharasformalclothing.esp21  darnifieduif3.esp22  fineleathercoat.esp23  lingsfinerthings.esp24  mantiszerosuit.esp  [Version 2.4]25  pregnancy_armors.esp26  qneverclockvaultsuits.esp27  qtoadletvaultsuit.esp28  samuspowersuits.esp29  sunglassescollection.esp2A  tailor maid.esp2B  tailor maid anchorage.esp2C  tailor maid brokensteel.esp2D  tailor maid pitt.esp2E  v-tec backpack.esp2F  v-tec fannypack.esp==  WEAPON===================30  armlaser_v1.0.esp31  armminigun_v1.0.esp32  gender bender ray.esp**  xCALIBRuniverse.esp==  TWEAK-1==================33  eve.esp34  eve operation anchorage.esp==  TWEAK+2==================**  Mart's Mutant Mod - Project Beauty.esp35  wastelandmastery.esp==  OVERHAUL=================36  anchoragearmortrainer.esp37  companion core dlc addon.esp==  OVERHAUL+4===============38  t3t_outcasttechsupport.esp==  MISC.====================39  casm.esp3A  craft - activation perk.esp3B  multi-pip 3000.esp  [Version 0.2]3C  powerarmortraining.esp3D  powerarmortraining_linden.esp3E  powerarmortraining_medicarmor.esp3F  robco certified v2 mechanist's edition.esp==  MISC.+1==================40  echo_batterycharger.esp++  RobCo Certified v2 Impervious.esp41  robco certified v2 omnipatch.esp==  MAGIC====================42  dree perks.esp43  malos_bodyresize.esp44  upp - pack 1.esp==  MAGIC+1==================45  dree perks anchorage.esp46  dree perks broken steel.esp47  dree perks mothership zeta.esp48  dree perks pitts.esp49  dree perks point lookout.esp4A  dree perks requested by fans .esp4B  upp  - quest perks.esp4C  upp - experience perks.esp++  UPP - Original Perks.esp4D  upp - pack 2.esp==  MAGIC+2==================4E  mz-strong-ebontek.esp==  NPC======================4F  clawcompanion.esp  [Version 1.0]50  followershirecontinued-nochecks.esp51  stealth kills enabled.esp++  Stealth Kills Enabled - Pitt Compatibility.esp==  HOME=====================52  grayditchapartment.esp53  undergroundhideout.esp==  HOME+1===================54  gnrroof.esp55  mymansion.esp56  owned!.esp  [Version 3.0]57  sg001 alternate mechanists forge v1.01.esp==  PLACE====================58  giantgreenroom.esp59  gnroutpost-op.anch.esp5A  levelerschamber.esp5B  mr smith's scrapyard.esp==  PLACE+1==================5C  gnr shop.esp++  SGsUA - No Borders v.1.0-EN.esp5D  tubrrcompound.esp==  QUEST-1==================5E  caravan tracking.esp==  QUEST====================5F  alientransportship.esp60  fow - jack harkness companion v2.esp61  more hotkeys.esp62  mzallaccesspass.esp63  solarscorcher.esp==  QUEST+1==================64  lucywestcompanion.esp==  NONE=====================65  vault-tec experimental dimensional safe.esp  [Version 1.2.0]++  CRBSOR.esp==  LAST=====================66  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:16 am

I can't help with your main issue, but for full screen lock-ups that are a pain to get out of, Phoshi made a small utility sometime last year that helps to immediately exit to the desktop, just by pressing the left Win key then the right. http://tinyurl.com/28ayfv2. I don't get them as often anymore, but when I do it's far easier to exit that way than hope Alt-TAB works or blindly ending processes (to find and kill Fallout.exe) with the task manager that is hiding in the background.
Before loading the game I load that. Just in case

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:11 am

Not being able to reach the main menu usually means having a missing master file.