Crash when exiting the Black Flag : IV

» Wed May 02, 2012 1:26 pm

Hello,

I'm new here, and I've only been playing Oblivion for a little while, but I've managed to stumble my way through the installation of numerous mods, and things have been going fairly well. I've gotten occasional crashes, but nothing consistent or major.

However, whenever I exit the Black Flag (back to Dunbarrow Hollow) I get a black screen and a crash to desktop. This happens every time and occurs from both the Black Flag and the captain's cabin. I've tried loading multiple saves (quick, auto, normal), starting both outside Dunbarrow Hollow and within it. I always get the crash. I've managed my mod installation through a combination of BAIN and BOSS. I've also spent some time searching Google and various forums looking for some other reference to this problem but haven't found anything definitive.

I'm thinking ths is probably a mod-related issue, and before I either abandon the thought of my own pirate ship or spend hours load/unloading mods to try to find the problem, I thought I'd see if anyone else had this or a similar problem and maybe a fix.

Thanks

Soris04

» Wed May 02, 2012 8:55 pm

Ok first things first. Could you post your load order with Wrye Bash (In the Mods Tab, Right Click on File, Select List Mods, Right Click, Select All, Copy and Paste to here)?

Also are you using the latest version of the http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=5296 and the http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=9969?

Read the Boss Log for your modlist and check carefully for any conflicts, incompatabilities or mods that require cleaning.

I have to admit I don't use the Theives Den DLC so I can't help you with any specifics but I do know certain mods require patches to be used with it.

Artorius.

P.S. (When I first saw your thread I thought you were reffering to Reclaiming Sancre Tor since that features a ship with the exact same name, and was about to redirect you to the relevent thread

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» Wed May 02, 2012 8:57 pm

Thanks for the reply.

I did not realize that there was another mod with a Black Flag ship, but I am having trouble with the Thieves Den DLC.

I have the Unoffical oblivion patch, shivering isles patch and the unofficial mods patch installed in their latest versions. I also have the addition patches where required. My copy of the game is the Deluxe Edition from Steam.

My load list is as follows:

I'm new to modding Oblivion, so there are probably goofs in this load list, but until this recent problem I haven't had any serious issues.

Active Mod Files:

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00  Oblivion.esm01  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]02  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.33]03  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]04  HorseCombatMaster.esm05  Cobl Races TNR.esp  [Version 1.53]06  Cobl Races TNR SI.esp  [Version 1.53]07  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.0]08  UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp  [Version 1.0.0]09  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp0A  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0B  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.5.0]0C  USIPS Additional Changes.esp0D  Living Economy.esp0E  Living Economy - Items.esp0F  Cutthroat Merchants.esp10  DropLitTorchOBSE.esp  [Version 2.4]11  Enhanced Hotkeys.esp  [Version 2.3.1]12  DLCHorseArmor.esp13  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.7]14  DLCOrrery.esp15  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]16  DLCVileLair.esp17  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.7]18  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp19  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]1A  DLCSpellTomes.esp1B  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]1C  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp1D  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp1E  VipCxj_HighHeels.esp1F  1SB_LucreziaNavarre outfit.esp20  1SB_RavenousEleganceOutfit.esp21  1SB_SisterNightfallOutfit.esp22  1SB_TerryMalick_BallGownVariants.esp23  ArchersDesire2.esp24  BlackLuster.esp25  CB Elegant Dress.esp26  1SB_LethalMajestyOutfit.esp27  alllll61s Troy's armor single.esp28  CB Gothic Mistress.esp29  Dungeon Explorer.esp2A  EY_AoD.esp2B  Shdw_Armor pack01.esp2C  Sinbloods_Nightweave_HGEC.esp2D  ShaiyaOutfit.esp2E  vermillionandsilverthorn.esp2F  Armamentium female.esp30  CB Stylish Outfit.esp31  Gizmodian - Eclipse.esp32  Weapon Expansion Pack for Oblivion Nthusiasts.esp  [Version 1.03]33  DLCThievesDen.esp34  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.10]35  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.5]36  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]37  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]38  Cobl Tweaks.esp  [Version 1.44]39  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.33]3A  OOO-Water_Weeds.esp  [Version 1.33]3B  OOO-DLT_Remover.esp  [Version 1.33]3C  OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 2.0]3D  OMOBS Optional Combat Settings.esp  [Version 1.0]3E  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]3F  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]40  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]**  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]41  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer for OOO.esp42  Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp43  Apachii_Heroes_Store.esp44  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp45  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]46  DLCFrostcrag.esp47  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]48  Knights.esp49  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.1.2]4A  EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp4B  DLC_MOBS.esp  [Version 2.0]4C  Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp  [Version 3.08]4D  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]4E  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]4F  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]50  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]51  HUD Status Bars.esp  [Version 5.3.2]52  EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp53  MidasSpells.esp54  Midas OscuroGems.esp55  Midas Betterholy.esp56  Midas BeastFortify Fix OBSE.esp57  Mounted_Spellcasting_Deadly_Reflex_Compatible.esp58  OOO-Level_Slow.esp  [Version 1.33]59  Mayu's Animation Overhaul.esp5A  77_Umpa_sixy_walk.esp5B  SP1stPLegs.esp**  Item interchange - Placement.esp  [Version 0.76]5C  Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag.esp  [Version 0.76]5D  DLCFrostcrag_MysticEmporiumPatch.esp5E  1em_Vilja.esp  [Version 4.04]5F  1em_Vilja_as_Custom_by_Xtudo.esp60  Cobl Races.esp  [Version 1.52]61  EVE_KhajiitFix.esp62  Cobl Races - Balanced.esp  [Version 1.52]63  OOO-Magic_Script_Effect_Fix.esp  [Version 1.33]64  UVII.esp65  DeadlyReflex 6 - Combat Moves.esp66  Deadly Reflex 6 - HeX NifSE Patch.esp67  Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp  [Version 01]68  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

I still need to clean some of the mods. I did clean the Thieves Den DLC to see if it would make any difference. It did not.

Soris04

» Wed May 02, 2012 8:39 am

Before you exit, try typing "tai" in the console, without any specific item selected by the mouse cursor. Try exiting now, and see if it prevents the crash?

Type in "tai" again once you are out of the Dunbarrow cave. tai toggles ai, so in case the crash is caused by some script on some NPC/creature, it will not fire now. Of course, this is not going to help if your root cause is different.

» Wed May 02, 2012 5:05 pm

Anithinks gives good advice :smile:

However I have noticed that your Load Order is pretty much a mess:

02 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.33]

Either upgrade to http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=15256, (In Downloads scroll down to Updates and download the OOO 1.34 Beta 5 Patch, Install it after version 1.33 in BAIN) or you could wait until version 1.35 comes out of beta (hopefully by the end of this month :fingers crossed:)

07 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.0]

This needs updating to http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=5296. You must have missed this when you upgraded the other parts of the UOP since all of them are up to date (except for an issue I'll point out later). Go to the link provided and in Downloads, scroll down to the Updates section, and download the manual update and install it in BAIN after the main UOP file.

08 UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp [Version 1.0.0]

You can drop this esp. When rebuilding the bashed patch, click on Tweak Assorted and tick the box next to UOP Vampire Aging & Face fix (In fact if you are using the latest version of Wrye Bash (295.5) it could well be already ticked since it already preselects any necessary tags in your modlist)

09 Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp

Ditch this, it isn't needed at all.

0D Living Economy.esp
0E Living Economy - Items.esp
0F Cutthroat Merchants.esp

Consider upgrading to http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=25078, it can do all of the above and so much more in just one esp and is also completely bug free (Uninstall the above first and make a clean save, then you are perfectly safe in installing EE). Indeed all of The Nice One's mods are worth having, each one seems to be the best of that type of mod available. You already have Enhanced Hotkeys and HUD Status Bars.

1C EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp
41 EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer for OOO.esp

You should only be using one of these esps, not both. Use the one for OOO since that's what you have installed and ditch the other one.

1D MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp

Not critical but there is now a http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=40532 available for this mod.

34 DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.10]
35 DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp [Version 1.0.5]

This could well be critical to your problem, you do not need the SSSB esp since the above one already contains the fix. Delete it. In fact this esp should no longer be in the archive but Kivian forgot to remove it when he released the update. He has since moved on elsewhere (6 letter word beggining with S, It'll come to me sometime...:X) and has yet to return to tidy things up.

3D OMOBS Optional Combat Settings.esp [Version 1.0]

Don't use this esp, this is already part of the OOO mod, it's only any use if you don't already have OOO installed.

4D Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0]
4E Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0]
4F Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp [Version 3.0.0]
50 Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp [Version 3.0.0]

Upgrade to http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=2037, there is a CTD bug involving Harrada Roots in the above version, Version 1.35 of OOO will have the correct version bundled with it.

** MMM-Cobl.esp [Version 1.69]

You don't have Mart's Monster Mod installed, therefore you don't need this, get rid.

** Item interchange - Placement.esp [Version 0.76]
5C Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag.esp [Version 0.76]

Two issues here, firstly upgrade to http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=17557. You are also missing Item interchange - Extraction.esp, if you don't have this the mod simply doesn't work properly.

I'm guessing you haven't built your bashed patch(Is it currently an empty 0kb file?) because the following seem to be active:

1B DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1]
1D MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp
2F Armamentium female.esp
3C OMOBS_SI.esp [Version 2.0]
3F ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp [Version 2.01]
40 ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp [Version 1.35]
41 EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer for OOO.esp
4A EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp
4B DLC_MOBS.esp [Version 2.0]
4E Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0]
4F Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp [Version 3.0.0]
50 Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp [Version 3.0.0]
55 Midas Betterholy.esp
5C Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag.esp [Version 0.76]
61 EVE_KhajiitFix.esp
62 Cobl Races - Balanced.esp [Version 1.52]

In Wrye Bash all of these should appear with green or purple text, this is telling you these mods should not be activated. All of the above should be deactivated and merged/imported into the bashed patch. To build a bashed patch, right click on the bashed patch esp and select Rebuild Patch (use the CBash version since it's quicker and you get to merge/import more stuff. If you are using version 295.5 of Wrye Bash all of the donkey work in terms of ticking the required boxes should be done. Since this is likely your first attempt at doing this all of the options will also be bolded. Whenever anything new is added to the bashed patch the relevent area will be bolded. Select the Rebuild Patch button and wait for it to process. It should only take a few minutes. When you reload your game I would reccomend you wait 72 hours for the game to respawn everthing and properly apply all the changes in the Bashed Patch

If you do all this it will hopefully fix your problem. If it doesn't then you may have to deactivate the Thieves Den esp (as well as the UOP patch for it) and load a save from before you started the quest. Make a clean save (ie a fresh save that isn't overwriting another) and then reactivate the Theives Den esp and try the quest again. If you don't have a save from before you started the quest then it pretty much means restarting your game I'm afraid.

Hopefully you find all this helpful. Please don't throw a strop at the work that needs doing, I've spent the best part of 2 hours typing up this post.

Artorius.

» Wed May 02, 2012 3:57 pm

Artorius gives even better advice :thumbsup:

» Wed May 02, 2012 3:12 pm

Ok, so I have tried the things that both anithinks and Artorius have said.

Toggling the ai still results in crashing.

The multitude of fixes produces some interesting results:

Round 1: (with CBash option)--The Dunbarrow Cove area is renamed to Paradise Cave (internal areas are also renamed, Dagon Shrine, ect). At this point if I load a save inside of Dunbarrow (Paradise Cave), I can go in and out of doors as much as I want with no crashing. I can even completely leave the area and come back with no crashing. However, if I load a save prior to entering the Dunbarrow (Paradise cave) I get a crash when I try to enter the area. Based on what I've read, the alternative names are those of the test cells off of which the DLC content is based. It also doesn't seem to be a problem if you use the normal BASH function rather than the CBASH one.

Round 2: Normal BASH--I get the appropriate names, but things are otherwise as stated above.

Waiting 72 game hours still results in a crash.

Unfortunately, I got the bundled version with Steam, and it pre-installs the DLC. That means no save with the DLC (and the initial quest entry) absent

One other thing, Artorius, if I enable the Item interchange - Extraction.esp, Oblivion crashes on startup.

Finally, thank you both for your help and suggestions, while I am not exactly computer illiterate, I am far from knowledgeable regarding modding in Oblivion. I really appreciate the load list recommendations. It obviously took quite some time to put that together, and it was far more than I was anticipating when I posted here.

Soris04

» Wed May 02, 2012 8:34 am

Thankyou for attempting to take my suggestions on board, it is always good to help someone who is willing to listen. Unfortunately we get too many of the type of inexperienced and ungrateful users who whine and complain that they might actually have to do some work to achieve what they want. So it's nice to have someone who is receptive to ideas and willing to use them.

Anyway onto your still pressing issues:

Round 1: (with CBash option)--The Dunbarrow Cove area is renamed to Paradise Cave (internal areas are also renamed, Dagon Shrine, ect). At this point if I load a save inside of Dunbarrow (Paradise Cave), I can go in and out of doors as much as I want with no crashing. I can even completely leave the area and come back with no crashing. However, if I load a save prior to entering the Dunbarrow (Paradise cave) I get a crash when I try to enter the area. Based on what I've read, the alternative names are those of the test cells off of which the DLC content is based. It also doesn't seem to be a problem if you use the normal BASH function rather than the CBASH one.

Round 2: Normal BASH--I get the appropriate names, but things are otherwise as stated...

This is interesting, I would suggest that you report this to Wrye Bash team on their http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1354592-relz-wrye-bash/. They are looking to get CBash working at 100% bug free (as opposed to 99.95% bug free at the moment). It does still occasionally get names of locations wrong (particularly prevelent on the DLCs) so this would be useful to report to them, however it's clear the crashing is definitely not a CBash issue

Toggling the ai still results in crashing.
Waiting 72 game hours still results in a crash.

This means that your crash is not being caused by a corrupt ai spawn point. Which leads me to believe that either your savegame itself is corrupt or there is indeed some form of mod conflct.

One other thing, Artorius, if I enable the Item interchange - Extraction.esp, Oblivion crashes on startup.

This is because this mod is not meant to be activated but merged into the bashed patch. If you select this mod in Wrye Bash in the bottom right corner there is white box with it's tags listed inside. It should be tagged with Deactivate and Filter. The reason why Oblivion crashes on startup is because ordinarily Item interchange - Extraction.esp has many masters which you don't have. However the Filter tag allows Bash to pick up on the mods you do have that Item interchange - Extraction.esp uses (such as Cobl, OOO and the DLCs in your modlist) while ignoring the mods you don't have. This means you must keep it deactivated, if it is activated in Wrye Bash there should be a thick red line telling you to deactivate it.

Unfortunately, I got the bundled version with Steam, and it pre-installs the DLC. That means no save with the DLC (and the initial quest entry) absent

I use the very same version and it is quite safe to uninstall the DLCs, after all they are essentially ordinary mods. I have done this myself when I decided I was only going to make use of Shivering Isles, KOTN, Mehrunes Razor and the Spell Tomes.

My suggestion to you is this (Please read through all of this carefully before doing any of the steps!):
1) Open Wrye Bash and deactivate the DLCTheivesDen.esp (or whatever it's called) and the corresponding UOP Patch, and rebuild your Bashed Patch (This is strongly advisable when you make any change to your load order)
2) Load up a save from before you entered the cave, ideally one that is an empty interior cell, but any interior should be fine.*
3) Make a brand new save and exit the game.
4) Go into Wrye Bash, Click on the Saves tab, Right Click on your new savegame and select Remove Bloat. Answer "Yes" to the prompt and it will remove all remaining unwanted references in your savegame.
5) Right Click on your savegame again and click Repair Abomb. Answer "yes" to the prompt and it will reset it back to 0%. When this gets high you start seeing visual anomalies and other strangeness. (Note it's a good idea to do both these things on a regular basis)
6) Right Click on your savegame and select Update Npc Levels, this will scan your modlist and relevel Npcs if necessary, which might be necessary since you haven't been using a bashed patch in your game.
7) Activate the esps again and Rebuild your Bashed Patch again.
8) Load up your game and restart the quest and see if you still have issues.

*If you don't have a savegame in a suitable interior, before you even deactivate any esps, load up your game from before you entered the cave the first time. Enter the console by pressing the ` key, it's located next to the 1. Type "coc testinghall" (without the quotes) and press enter. You will be taken to a room with many doors. Follow steps 3-8, when you Load your game enter the console again and this time type "coc weye". You will be taken to Aewolin's house (he's the old fishermen from the Go Fish quest). Leave quickly since you are technically tresspassing and you can then try doing the Thieves Den quest again.

The above is a useful guide for uninstalling or reinstalling any mod, not just for the DLCs.

Finally, thank you both for your help and suggestions, while I am not exactly computer illiterate, I am far from knowledgeable regarding modding in Oblivion. I really appreciate the load list recommendations. It obviously took quite some time to put that together, and it was far more than I was anticipating when I posted here.

Your welcome, I hope you find this post even more helpful. If you still have issues after trying this then we'll have to find which mod is causing the inevitable conflict (since that would be the only other reason for the crash)

If you ever want or need to start a new game may I suggest to you the following mod: http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=11474. This prevents all of the DLC quests starting up before you have even exited the sewers (which isn't particularly immersive) and instead has them start in more appropriate places and at more appropriate times.

Thanks for listening.

Artorius.

» Wed May 02, 2012 11:50 pm

I believe the CBash renaming of the Dunbarrow cove is due to the C.names issue which is a known item. I've seen that in my game as well.

» Wed May 02, 2012 1:26 pm

Anithinks--that is what I found after a while a searching. It appears that others have already reported the naming issue.

Artorius-- Working with the save basically takes me full circle. I can now enter the properly named Dunbarrow Cove and the Black Flag, but when I try to leave the Black Flag, the game crashes. Any advice as to tracking down the offending mod?

On another note is there a way to make the bashed patch ignore a mod? (It kept merging the unofficial Thieves Den patch and then requiring that the DLC be active even after I had unchecked both of them.) I did finally figure out that if I dragged them down below the bashed patch in the load order they would not be included, but is there another way?

Thanks

Soris04

» Wed May 02, 2012 4:58 pm

I did some testing with my mods. If I turn off UVII esp then I can move about Dunbarroe Cove without difficulty. If I turn it on then I get the crash. I also tried turning off the unofficial Thieves Den patch and moving the DLC content to load after UVII. None of that solved the problem. I then tried uninstalling UVII, redownloading and reinstalling it, and trying again, but the game still crashes.

I am not quite sure what my next step is.

Soris04

» Wed May 02, 2012 9:25 am

On another note is there a way to make the bashed patch ignore a mod? (It kept merging the unofficial Thieves Den patch and then requiring that the DLC be active even after I had unchecked both of them.) I did finally figure out that if I dragged them down below the bashed patch in the load order they would not be included, but is there another way?

There are two methods to do this:

Method 1:

When rebuilding your Bashed Patch, select Merge Mods(if it isn't already) to bring up the list of mods to be merged. Untick the DLCTheivesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp. Go down the entire list of actions and untick DLCTheivesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp wherever it shows up. Select Build and as long as you have unticked all references to the DLCTheivesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp it will no longer be a master of the Bashed Patch.

Method 2:

Go into the Installers Tab, wait for everthing to load. Select the Unofficial Official Mods Patch package. On the bottom right hand corner you will see all the esps that have been ticked. These are the ones currently installed. Untick DLCTheivesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp (and if you haven't already DLCTheivesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp, make sure this never enters your load order again!). Right click on the package name and select Anneal. This will uninstall DLCTheivesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp while keeping everything else in place (Isn't BAIN wonderful? You simply can't do this with OMODS!). Rebuild your patch as normal. When you wish to reinstall you simply do the same process with DLCTheivesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp ticked again.

I prefer Method 2 since otherwise it is easy to miss one of the Bash tags and find you've just wasted 5-10 minutes building your patch only to have it still be a master.

I did some testing with my mods. If I turn off UVII esp then I can move about Dunbarroe Cove without difficulty. If I turn it on then I get the crash. I also tried turning off the unofficial Thieves Den patch and moving the DLC content to load after UVII. None of that solved the problem. I then tried uninstalling UVII, redownloading and reinstalling it, and trying again, but the game still crashes.

I am not quite sure what my next step is.

Well it seems you've found your problem mod. Now I'm assuming you do have the proper requisites for the mod (OBSE 20 and NifSE 1.0 Release)?

Otherwise the first thing you ought to do is to report this on http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=40310 and the http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1232038-relz-unnecessary-violence-ii-taking-action/, although whether Hex Off will see the bug report in a timely manner or not is debatable since he is currently busy with Skyrim. However it still best to report it anyway even to alert others to the problem.

Now have you tried uninstalling UVII temporarily, and then playing the entire Thieves Den quest and only reactivating UVII once you have finished the quest completely? Does it still crash even then?

Also could you now post what your load order looks like now? Just so I can satisfy myself you are running everything to the best you can?

Now if the worst comes to pass you will have to make a decison. Either drop DLC Thieves Den or UVII, it really depends which one matters the most to you. I personally don't use either mod. My character isn't a thief, and I use an entirely different http://tesalliance.org/forums/index.php?/files/file/914-duke-patricks-melee-combat-no-recoil/ (Along with his http://tesalliance.org/forums/index.php?/files/file/514-duke-patricks-combat-archery/ and http://tesalliance.org/forums/index.php?/files/file/780-duke-patricks-combat-magic-ii-duke-patricks-incursion-into-fortress-of-fear/ overhauls). If those do tickle your fancy I strongly suggest you uninstall Deadly Reflex 6 and UVII first since there are bound to be some conflicts with them. Also make sure to read the readmes of each mod thoroughly so you understand both the ethos and what is going on with the mods.

If you look at my load order:

Active Mod Files:

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00  Oblivion.esm01  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.3.2]02  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 5.0]03  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 5.0]04  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.73]05  Open Cities Resources.esm  [Version 4.1.3]06  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]07  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]08  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]09  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]0A  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]0B  Artifacts.esm  [Version 1.1]0C  Fundament.esm  [Version ision]0D  CustomSpellIcons.esm0E  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.4.1]0F  UOPS Additional Changes.esp10  DLCShiveringIsles.esp11  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.5.0]12  USIPS Additional Changes.esp13  SM Plugin Refurbish - SI.esp  [Version 1.30]14  Francesco's Creatures and Items Resources.esp  [Version 5.0]15  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp  [Version 5.0]16  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp  [Version 5.0]17  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp  [Version 5.0]18  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp  [Version 5.0]++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]19  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1A  Atmospheric Loading Screens - Random Quotes.esp1B  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.33]1C  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.3.2]++  All Natural - MMM Patch.esp  [Version 1.3]1D  Immersive Interiors.esp  [Version 0.8.1]1E  Idle Dialogue.esp  [Version 1.3]++  Symphony of Violence.esp1F  Atmospheric Oblivion.esp20  Distant Chapel Bells.esp21  PCSoundRhett.esp  [Version 2.6]22  Sounds of Cyrodiil.esp  [Version 1.1]23  Storms & Sound.esp24  Rainbows.esp25  WindowLightingSystem.esp26  1em_GiveAGift.esp  [Version 1.2]27  AliveWaters_nofish.esp28  Chapel Tithe.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.78]29  Paladin.esp2A  PTFallingStars.esp2B  Q - More and Moldy Ingredients v1.1.esp2C  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 5.4.3]2D  kuerteeIgnoringTheMainQuestHasConsequences.esp2E  Display Stats.esp  [Version 2.0.1]2F  DropLitTorchOBSE.esp  [Version 2.4]30  FormID Finder4.esp31  kuerteeCleanUp.esp32  kuerteeSittableRocks.esp33  Musical Immersion 1.0.esp34  P1DmenuEscape.esp35  Quest Log Manager.esp  [Version 1.3.2]36  skycaptains NPCFF.esp37  StatCleaner.esp38  Dynamic Map.esp  [Version 2.1.1]39  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.9.3]3A  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.9.3]3B  Enhanced Hotkeys.esp  [Version 2.3.1]3C  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp3D  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]**  Mehrunes_mobs.esp**  DLCMehrunesRazor Vwalk.esp3E  SM Plugin Refurbish - MehrunesRazor.esp  [Version 1.30]3F  Sounds of Cyrodiil - Mehrune's Razor Add-On.esp  [Version 1.0]40  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]++  MaleBodyReplacerV5.esp**  Armamentium female.esp41  Weapon Expansion Pack for Oblivion Nthusiasts.esp  [Version 1.03]++  Francesco's No Reduced Backwards Running.esp42  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.73]43  OCR+COBL Luggage Patch.esp44  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]45  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp46  Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp++  FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp  [Version 0.9.9]47  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.09]48  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB5]49  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]**  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul Vwalk.esp**  OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 2.0]++  ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp  [Version 1.35]4A  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]4B  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]4C  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp  [Version 0.9.9beta2]4D  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_SpawnRatesStronger.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_SaferRoads.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_LessRats.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_LessReaversInGates.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]4E  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  TamrielTravellerAdvscript.esp  [Version 1.40Alpha]4F  TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp  [Version 1.39c]**  TamrielTravellers4OOO Vwalk.esp++  TamrielTravellersItemsnpc.esp  [Version 1.39c]50  ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp  [Version 1.39c]**  ShiveringIsleTravellers Vwalk.esp++  FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]**  FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]++  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]**  Fransfemale.esp++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.73]**  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4FCOM.esp51  EM_CompInnsleeping.esp  [Version 0.9]52  TalosBridgeGateHouse.esp53  AleswellHomeQuest.esp54  AleswellCOBLaddon.esp55  Artifacts.esp  [Version 1.1]**  ArtifactsFemaleArmor.esp++  Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp  [Version 1.0]56  EM_RedRoseManor.esp  [Version 2.0]57  EMRedRoseAddonCOBL.esp58  Kragenir's Death Quest.esp  [Version 2.11]**  Kragenir's Death Quest Vwalk.esp59  KDQ - Rural Line Additions.esp5A  LetThePeopleDrink.esp  [Version 2.6]5B  Region Revive - Lake Rumare.esp**  Region Revive - Lake Rumare Vwalk.esp5C  StopDarkBrotherhood.esp5D  The Ayleid Steps.esp  [Version 3.4]**  The Ayleid Steps Vwalk.esp5E  Valenwood Improved.esp5F  Vampire Hunting - Order of the Virtuous Blood.esp**  Vampire Hunting - Order Of The Virtuous Blood Vwalk.esp60  Valenwood Improved Vampire Hunting Patch.esp61  VHBloodlines 1.2.esp  [Version 1.5.6]**  VHBloodlines 1.2 Vwalk.esp++  Vampire Hunting Bloodlines Patch.esp62  Cyrodiil Travel Services.esp  [Version 3.0.5]**  Cyrodiil Travel Services Vwalk.esp63  za_bankmod.esp64  AFK_ICTempleCleanup.esp  [Version 1.0.LtPD]65  BrumaGuildReconstructed.esp  [Version 1.0.1]66  Knights.esp67  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.1.2]**  Knights Vwalk.esp**  EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp++  SM Plugin Refurbish - Knights.esp  [Version 1.06]68  OCC-KOTN-Patch.esp  [Version 3.0]69  Sounds of Cyrodiil - KOTN Add-on.esp  [Version 1.0]6A  The Lost Spires.esp++  OCR + Lost Spires Patch.esp  [Version 3.0]**  The Lost Spires Vwalk.esp6B  AFK_Weye.esp  [Version 2.32.COBL]**  AFK_Weye Vwalk.esp6C  Rumare-AFK_Weye Patch.esp  [Version 2.2]++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]6D  ElsweyrAnequina.esp6E  Unofficial Elsweyr Anequina Patch.esp++  ElsweyrAnequina - Races HGEC-Robert.esp  [Version 1.2]**  ElsweyrAnequina Vwalk.esp6F  Reaper's Esmeralda's Desert Manor.esp++  Reaper's Esmeralda's Desert Manor Quickfix.esp70  Elsweyr plantations & co..esp71  Tales from Elsweyr Anequina.esp72  ElsweyrValenwoodImprovedPatch.esp73  ReclaimSancreTor.esp  [Version 1.0.4]**  ReclaimSancreTor Vwalk.esp74  road+bridges.esp  [Version 4.6.3]75  Faregyl.esp  [Version 2.0.8]76  Faregyl+Anequina Patch.esp  [Version 2.0]**  Faregyl Vwalk.esp77  Feldscar.esp  [Version 1.0.13]**  Feldscar Vwalk.esp78  Gottshaw Village.esp  [Version 1.0]**  Gottshaw Village Vwalk.esp79  Molapi.esp  [Version 1.0.1]7A  PTMudwater.esp7B  Reedstand.esp  [Version 1.0.4]**  Reedstand Vwalk.esp7C  Urasek.esp  [Version 1.0.3]**  Urasek Vwalk.esp7D  Vergayun.esp  [Version 2.0.2]**  Vergayun Vwalk.esp7E  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]++  LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp7F  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]80  xulTheHeath.esp81  XulEntiusGorge.esp82  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]++  LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp++  Anequina-Fallenleaf-Patch.esp++  Valenwood Improved - Fallenleaf Everglade EV - Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]83  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]84  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]**  xulChorrolHinterland Vwalk.esp85  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]86  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.3]**  xulBravilBarrowfields Vwalk.esp87  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3.1]88  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.3]89  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]8A  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]++  RST+Cloudtop Mountains.esp  [Version 1.1]8B  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]8C  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]++  AFK_Weye Arrius_Creek Patch.esp8D  xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat.esp  [Version 1.3.3]**  xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat Vwalk.esp8E  xulPantherRiver.esp8F  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]++  Valenwood Improved - River Ethe EV - Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]90  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.1.1]**  xulBrenaRiverRavine Vwalk.esp91  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.7]**  xulImperialIsle Vwalk.esp92  RegionReviveLakeRumare-ImperialIsle patch.esp  [Version 1.3.4]93  TalosGatehouse + ULImperialIsle.esp94  wb_TBG_RR-LR_UL-II_patch.esp95  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.1.0]96  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]97  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.2]**  xulAspenWood Vwalk.esp98  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp  [Version 1.0.2]**  xulSkingradOutskirts Vwalk.esp++  RST+Skingrad Outskirts.esp  [Version 1.1]99  xulSnowdale.esp  [Version 1.0.4]++  Feldscar+Snowdale Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.2]++  OOO-Snowdale Patch.esp  [Version 1.1]9A  xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp  [Version 1.12]9B  OOO-CliffsOfAnvil patch.esp  [Version 1.2]**  xulCliffsOfAnvil Vwalk.esp++  RST+Cliffs of Anvil.esp  [Version 1.1]9C  xulSilverfishRiverValley.esp  [Version 1.0.2]++  Lost Spires + Silverfish River Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]9D  xulJerallGlacier.esp  [Version 1.0.0]9E  OOO-JerallGlacier patch.esp  [Version 1.0]9F  xulTheEasternPeaks.esp  [Version 1.0]**  xulTheEasternPeaks Vwalk.espA0  KragenirsDeathQuest-UniqueLandscapes Merged patch.esp  [Version 2.0]A1  Sutch Village.esp  [Version 1.0.2]**  Sutch Village Vwalk.esp++  LostCoast + SutchVillage Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]A2  Open Cities New Sheoth.esp  [Version 2.0]A3  Open Cities Outer Districts.esp  [Version 4.1.1]A4  Open Cities Reborn.esp  [Version 1.1.3]A5  ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Castles - All The Castles - OCR.esp  [Version 1.1.5]++  OCR + OOO Patch.esp  [Version 3.0.1]++  OCR+ULCH Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]++  OCC-COBL-Wells.esp++  NRB4+UL-II+OCOD Patch.esp  [Version 3.0.3]++  OCR+ULBWForest Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.2]++  RST+OCR Patch.esp  [Version 1.1]++  OCR+Cheydinhal Falls Patch.esp  [Version 1.1]++  RST+Cheydinhal Falls.esp  [Version 1.1]++  OCR+ULSkingradOutskirts Patch.esp  [Version 2.0]A6  Sounds of Cyrodiil - OC Reborn Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]++  NRB4+RR Patch.esp  [Version 2.1]A7  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.1]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]A8  HUD Status Bars.esp  [Version 5.3.2]A9  kuerteeInventoryIsABackpack.esp++  GotNoClass.espAA  PersuasionOverhaul.esp  [Version 1.43]++  PersuasionOverhaul_OOO.esp  [Version 1.2]++  PersuasionOverhaul_MMM.esp  [Version 1.2]AB  kuerteeGoldIsAnInventoryItem.esp++  sixy Dark Seducer & Golden Saint Armour.espAC  Soulgem Magic.esp  [Version 2.0]AD  StarX Vampire Deaths.espAE  Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp  [Version 3.2.0]AF  Quest Award Leveling SI.espB0  Quest Award Leveller.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.espB1  StarX Vanilla Vampires Revised.espB2  StarX VVR_OOO_FCOM Patch.esp++  Starx-OVB Patch.espB3  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.90b]B4  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_DLCSpellTome.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_OOO.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_MMM.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_COBL.esp  [Version 0.90]B5  SM_EnchantStaff.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_NoSpellLights.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_Scrolls.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_SigilStone.esp  [Version 0.90]B6  MidasSpells.espB7  OC+Midas Magic Patch.espB8  Midas OscuroGems.esp++  Midas Betterholy.esp++  Mart's Monster Mod - Midas Creature Ingredients.esp++  Midas Tigernolevel OBSE.espB9  Midas BeastFortify Fix OBSE.espBA  Friendlier Summons.espBB  EnchantmentRestore.esp++  EnchantmentRestore_Wells.espBC  MigLockpicking.esp  [Version 1.7]BD  RenGuardOverhaul.espBE  kuerteeBattleFatigueAndInjuries.esp++  kuertee MMM OnLoadCS disabled hmf effects.espBF  Bundlement.esp  [Version ision]C0  nGCD.espC1  nGCD Oghma Infinium.esp++  Immediate Character Generation.esp**  Cava Obscura - Cyrodiil.esp**  Cava Obscura - SI.esp**  Cava Obscura - Filter Patch For Mods.esp++  Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp  [Version 0.78]++  Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk.esp  [Version 0.78]C2  Useful Houses.esp  [Version 2.0]C3  1em_Vilja.esp  [Version 4.04]**  1em_Vilja MMM FCOM Fix.espC4  ViljainAleswell.esp  [Version 1.3]C5  ViljainRedRoseManor.esp  [Version 1.2]C6  bgBalancingEVCore.esp  [Version 10.52EV-D]++  EVE_KhajiitFix.esp**  TamrielTravellers Cosmetics Cobl or RBP.espC7  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]**  bgMagicEV Vwalk.esp++  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]C8  bgMagicBonus.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]C9  bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicAlchemy.esp  [Version 1.57]++  bgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.esp  [Version 1.68UV]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalMoreEyes.esp  [Version 10]**  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, TNR Merge.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp  [Version 10.]CA  bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp  [Version 10.51EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D1.62EV]++  Disable Tutorial Text.espCB  Automatic Timescale.esp  [Version 1.1.1]**  [GFX]_Initial_Glow-all.esp**  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp  [Version 1.68]++  kuertee bgMagicEVShader default drain effects.esp++  bgMagicLightningbolt.espCC  Companion Compatibility.esp**  Sensual Walks.esp**  Sensual Walks SI.esp**  Sensual Walks SI DS + GS.esp++  NRB4 OCReborn Road Record.esp++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]++  OOO Harvest Containers Filter patch for mods.esp  [Version 1.03]**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.3.2]++  Storms & Sound - Filter Patch.espCD  Bashed Patch, 0.espCE  Duke Patricks - Magic you can believe in.espCF  Duke Patricks - Near Miss Magic And Arrows Alert The Target.esp  [Version 7.1]D0  Duke Patricks - Fresh Kills Now Alert The NPCs.esp  [Version 4]D1  Duke Patricks - Melee Combat NO RECOIL.esp  [Version 5.9]D2  Duke Patricks - Combat Archery.esp  [Version 7.3.5]D3  Duke Patricks - Safe Save.esp  [Version 3.2]D4  Duke Patricks - Philosophers Stone Artifacts.esp  [Version 4.2]D5  Duke Patricks - Fortress of Fear.espD6  Duke Patricks - Combat Magic II.esp

You will notice that I have all of Duke Patrick's mods sorted after the Bashed Patch. This is at the suggestion of the mod author and it overules the placement by BOSS. In order to prevent BOSS from putting them where it wants them you can use BOSS's userlist function. In order to do this open Windows Explorer, navigate to Oblivion/Boss and open the userlist.txt file. Add the following to it:

OVERRIDE: Duke Patricks - Melee Combat NO RECOIL.esp
AFTER: Bashed Patch, 0.esp

You can use this format to place mods however you wish, although for the vast majority of mods this is completely unnecessary - I only need to do this with Duke Patrick's mods, and only because Duke Patrick (spookyfx here) and the BOSS team can't seem to come to an agreement on their placement.

One last thing, since you have the Steam version I suspect you have it all installed inside Program Files, this is bad because it means that Oblivion will fall foul of the UAC which can think that certain mods are viruses (or other malware) and stop them working properly. However you can move your steam install outside of the UAC's remit. I suggest to C:/Games. Look https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=7418-YUBN-8129 for detailed instructions on how to do that. I was able to do this without trouble.

Hope you find this helpful

Artorius.

» Wed May 02, 2012 11:17 am

Thanks for the pointers on the bashed patch.

I will post my bugs on the appropriate threads. As for playing through the Thieves Den, I was planning on using it as a base of operations for my current character. As such, I don't think playing through just the quest part will work. I want to be able to move in and out of my home base at will. At this point, I think I will keep UVII and just find another stronghold. I've looked at Duke Patrick's mods before and they look very well thought out and interesting, but not exactly what I am looking for right now. I will probably give them a try on another playthrough.

On the Steam issue, I read up on steam before using it, and someone suggested avoiding the Program Files area, so I actually have Steam things installed in its own place in My Documents.

I will post my load list at the end here and will try to fix anything else you suggest, but I don't know how much additional playing/testing I'll get done over the next few weeks. I have a brand-new shiny copy of Mass Effect 3 calling my name :biggrin:

. I will make it back to Oblivion (I have sooo much left to explore). I did drop DR6. It screws up bow zoom and my character uses a bow a lot.

Thank you for taking the time to help get a rookie on the right track.

Soris04

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00  Oblivion.esm01  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]02  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]03  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]**  Cobl Races TNR.esp  [Version 1.53]**  Cobl Races TNR SI.esp  [Version 1.53]04  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.4.1]05  UOPS Additional Changes.esp06  DLCShiveringIsles.esp07  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.5.0]08  USIPS Additional Changes.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.76]09  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 5.4.3]0A  DropLitTorchOBSE.esp  [Version 2.4]0B  Enhanced Hotkeys.esp  [Version 2.3.1]0C  DLCHorseArmor.esp0D  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.7]0E  DLCOrrery.esp0F  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]10  DLCVileLair.esp11  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.7]12  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp13  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]14  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]++  MaleBodyReplacerV5.esp15  VipCxj_HighHeels.esp16  1SB_LucreziaNavarre outfit.esp17  1SB_RavenousEleganceOutfit.esp18  1SB_SisterNightfallOutfit.esp19  1SB_TerryMalick_BallGownVariants.esp1A  ArchersDesire2.esp1B  BlackLuster.esp1C  CB Gothic Mistress.esp1D  Dungeon Explorer.esp1E  EY_AoD.esp1F  Shdw_Armor pack01.esp20  Sinbloods_Nightweave_HGEC.esp21  ShaiyaOutfit.esp22  vermillionandsilverthorn.esp**  Armamentium female.esp23  CB Stylish Outfit.esp24  Gizmodian - Eclipse.esp25  Weapon Expansion Pack for Oblivion Nthusiasts.esp  [Version 1.03]26  DLCThievesDen.esp27  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.10]28  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]29  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]++  Cobl Tweaks.esp  [Version 1.44]2A  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]++  OOO-Water_Weeds.esp  [Version 1.33]++  OOO-DLT_Remover.esp  [Version 1.33]++  OOO-Container_Trap_Instant_Effects.esp  [Version 1.33]**  OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 2.0]2B  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]++  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]++  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]2C  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]**  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer for OOO.esp2D  Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp2E  Apachii_Heroes_Store.esp2F  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp30  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]31  DLCFrostcrag.esp32  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]++  DLCFrostcrag_MysticEmporiumPatch.esp33  Knights.esp34  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.1.2]**  EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp**  DLC_MOBS.esp  [Version 2.0]35  Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp  [Version 3.08]36  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]37  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]38  HUD Status Bars.esp  [Version 5.3.2]39  EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp3A  MidasSpells.esp3B  Midas OscuroGems.esp++  Midas Betterholy.esp3C  Midas BeastFortify Fix OBSE.esp++  OOO-Level_Slow.esp  [Version 1.33]3D  Mayu's Animation Overhaul.esp++  77_Umpa_sixy_walk.esp3E  alllll61s Troy's armor single.esp3F  SP1stPLegs.esp40  1SB_LethalMajestyOutfit.esp++  Item interchange - Placement.esp  [Version 0.76]**  Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp  [Version 0.76]++  Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag.esp  [Version 0.76]**  Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag Reborn.esp  [Version 0.76]**  Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag Spire Revisited.esp  [Version 0.76]++  Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk.esp  [Version 0.76]41  1em_Vilja.esp  [Version 4.04]++  1em_Vilja_as_Custom_by_Xtudo.esp42  Cobl Races.esp  [Version 1.52]++  EVE_KhajiitFix.esp++  Cobl Races - Balanced.esp  [Version 1.52]++  OOO-Magic_Script_Effect_Fix.esp  [Version 1.33]43  UVII.esp++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]44  Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp  [Version 01]45  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

» Wed May 02, 2012 4:45 pm

Thanks for the pointers on the bashed patch.

Your welcome, Wrye Bash looks daunting at first but once you get used to it you'll wonder how you coped without it! If you want to know more about Wrye Bash have a look at http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=35230.

I will post my bugs on the appropriate threads. As for playing through the Thieves Den, I was planning on using it as a base of operations for my current character. As such, I don't think playing through just the quest part will work. I want to be able to move in and out of my home base at will. At this point, I think I will keep UVII and just find another stronghold. I've looked at Duke Patrick's mods before and they look very well thought out and interesting, but not exactly what I am looking for right now. I will probably give them a try on another playthrough.

I just want to ask again. Have you tried doing the quest without UVII installed, and then after completing the quest reinstalling UVII and returning to the area of Dunbarrow Cove? Mainly to satisfy my own curiosity and also because it could help Hex Off narrow down what is going wrong there. Sorry if you think I'm being a little pedantic on this issue.

Duke Patrick's mods are excellent and his archery mod would well suit a thief character that you are currently playing, (just don't be on the recieving end of marksmen!) but each to his own preference.

Also many I reccomend http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=5977 (makes the guards smarter - if you are blatently sneaking around near them they will follow you; rather than just remaining at their posts like morons, but at the same time doesn't make them psychic) and saebel's http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=37385 (although he will soon be releasing an update that will require a full reinstall of the mod, so I would wait a bit on that one). Both are excellent mods that make being a thief a more immersive experience (as well as perhaps a somewhat more difficult one, but who said being a thief was supposed to be easy!)

On the Steam issue, I read up on steam before using it, and someone suggested avoiding the Program Files area, so I actually have Steam things installed in its own place in My Documents.

Unfortunately that isn't a good place to install it either, since that area is also governed by the UAC. I reccomend moving it to the root c:/ directory or to C:/Games (I would advise installing all of your games there)

As for your load order it looks fine except for this:

** Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp [Version 0.76]
** Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag Reborn.esp [Version 0.76]
** Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag Spire Revisited.esp [Version 0.76]

You don't use FCOM (which is Francescos, Marts Monster Mod, OOO. and Cobl combined) so you don't want that esp.
As for the Frostcrags, I'm assuming you are only using the Original DLC version so that's the only Placement for Frostcrag esp you need. Delete the two I've highlighted above.

Also you still need to update tohttp://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=17557. Make sure it installed in BAIN after Cobl because the version bundled with that is currently the old one.

Hope that helps, and good luck with Mass Effect 3.

Artorius.

» Wed May 02, 2012 8:59 am

Artorius,

I have not tried playing through much of the DLC without UVII. I could give it a go, but I don't think the quest actually ends until all of the upgrades are purchased (I suppose I could console in the gold). I've also thought about just deactivating UVII every time I want to go there, seeing as it is the only thing that currenly appears to be affected. However, I think that would get very annoying very quickly. When I find out one way or another, I will let you know.

I'll keep your other mod recommendations in mind when I gear up for another go.

On the Steam issue--perhaps I'll end up moving it again, but I did do a bit more reading. I am using Windows XP, and if I am understanding things correctly the UAC was not invented until after XP came along.

I'll pull out the item interchange stuff and update it (I actually downloaded the update before but apperently didn't get it installed).

Soris04

» Wed May 02, 2012 9:56 am

I have not tried playing through much of the DLC without UVII. I could give it a go, but I don't think the quest actually ends until all of the upgrades are purchased (I suppose I could console in the gold). I've also thought about just deactivating UVII every time I want to go there, seeing as it is the only thing that currenly appears to be affected. However, I think that would get very annoying very quickly. When I find out one way or another, I will let you know.

Sure, let me know if you find something out. Remember to post the bug report on the relevent thread and Nexus pages (Already linked in the above post)

On the Steam issue--perhaps I'll end up moving it again, but I did do a bit more reading. I am using Windows XP, and if I am understanding things correctly the UAC was not invented until after XP came along.

There I go assuming everyone has either Vista or Win7. Well if you are running on Windows XP you have nothing to worry about then so forget for now all I said about Steam. But if you ever upgrade to Win7 (or perhaps in the future Win8) bear it in mind.

I'll pull out the item interchange stuff and update it (I actually downloaded the update before but apperently didn't get it installed).

Good, now that you have that properly installed you will now see all mod added food and ingredients(or at least all the ones in your modlist covered by Item Interchange) appearing everywhere instead of buried inside their own modspaces. Loot bandits and see interesting foodstuffs instead of just plain Vanilla bread, meat and potatoes (sheesh how could they live on such a diet!)

Artorius.

» Wed May 02, 2012 8:25 am

Hi Artorius

Sorry this took so long to post but I am just passing by with a key word search to try to help users of my Oblivion mods, I only do this about once a week as I am very busy with Skyrim now.

The following Duke Patrick mods I think "can" be in your bash patch as far as I know. I do not use Bash so I am only saying this because I know that the following mods are not effected by games setting changes nor AI changes nor weapons changes which is why my combat mods must be loaded last even after the Bash Patch.

Duke Patricks - Magic you can believe in.esp
Duke Patricks - Near Miss Magic And Arrows Alert The Target.esp
Duke Patricks - Fresh Kills Now Alert The NPCs.esp
Duke Patricks - Safe Save.esp
Duke Patricks - Philosophers Stone Artifacts.esp

You will notice that I have all of Duke Patrick's mods sorted after the Bashed Patch. This is at the suggestion of the mod author and it overules the placement by BOSS. In order to prevent BOSS from putting them where it wants them you can use BOSS's userlist function. In order to do this open Windows Explorer, navigate to Oblivion/Boss and open the userlist.txt file. Add the following to it:

Artorius.

» Wed May 02, 2012 8:50 pm

Hi Artorius

Sorry this took so long to post but I am just passing by with a key word search to try to help users of my Oblivion mods, I only do this about once a week as I am very busy with Skyrim now.

The following Duke Patrick mods I think "can" be in your bash patch as far as I know. I do not use Bash so I am only saying this because I know that the following mods are not effected by games setting changes nor AI changes nor weapons changes which is why my combat mods must be loaded last even after the Bash Patch.

Duke Patricks - Magic you can believe in.esp
Duke Patricks - Near Miss Magic And Arrows Alert The Target.esp
Duke Patricks - Fresh Kills Now Alert The NPCs.esp
Duke Patricks - Safe Save.esp
Duke Patricks - Philosophers Stone Artifacts.esp

Hi there spookyfx.

Thanks for pointing this out for me, I've adjusted my userlist accordingly. Unexpected and unlooked for help always comes as a bonus

It doesn't make a huge bit of difference since none of the mods are mergeable but the Sounds from Magic you can Believe in can be imported into the bashed patch.

I was wondering if it was possible to combine the following two of your mods into one esp:

Duke Patricks - Near Miss Magic And Arrows Alert The Target.esp
Duke Patricks - Fresh Kills Now Alert The NPCs.esp

They both do similar things so it would make reasonable sense to have all the functions in one. I know your busy with Skyrim but it was just a thought.

Oh one more thing before I forget. You once mentioned on your http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1170048-relz-duke-patricks-combat-magic-ii/page__st__60 that you had found a more effecient way to remove the Reflect Spell and Reflect Damage effects on the player and other NPCs, so that it didn't flood the console with messages. You said you would put it in an update after you were finished updating your Archery and Melee Combat mods for Oblivion. But you did say for someone to remind you in case you forgot, so this is my reminder

Artorius.