Crash when fighting dread zombies : IV

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:36 am

This might concern multiple mods, hence the new topic. I'm experiencing a persistent crash when fighting dread zombies (especially with Light of Dawn, and a bow from Adonnay's Elven Weaponry - not yet with Heaven's Fury Claymore). I found only one reference to this problem on the forum, here: http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1079991-relz-fcomconvergance/page__hl__+dread%20+zombie%20+crash__st__88 , and the problem was not addressed. Oblivion is also very stable for me, so that's not the issue. Chris1979 mentions Extra Wounding but I'm not using it. Has anyone been able to fix that particular issue? I'm starting to be real cautious with dread zombies now...

My load order:

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=== Active Mod Files:
* 00 Oblivion.esm
* 01 Jog_X_Mod.esm
* 02 All Natural Base.esm [Version 0.9.9]
* 03 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
* 04 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
* 05 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.72]
* 06 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34]
* 07 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b3p3]
* 08 CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm
* 09 TamrielTravellers.esm [Version 1.39c]
* 0A FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9MB3]
* 0B Armamentarium.esm [Version 1.35]
* 0C Artifacts.esm [Version 1.1]
* 0D Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
* 0E Better Cities Resources.esm
* 0F BetterMusicSystem.esm
* 10 HorseCombatMaster.esm
* 11 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.5]
* 12 DLCShiveringIsles.esp
* 13 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0]
* 14 Better Cities .esp
* 15 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
* 16 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
* 17 Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp
* 18 Francesco's Optional Leveled Quests-SI only.esp
* 19 Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp
* ++ FCOM_Francescos.esp [Version 0.9.9]
* ++ FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9]
* 1A FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9]
* 1B Fran Armor Add-on.esp
* 1C Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp
* ** LoadingScreens.esp
* 1D LoadingScreensAddOn.esp
* ** LoadingScreensSI.esp
* 1E All Natural - Real Lights.esp [Version 0.9.9]
* 1F All Natural.esp [Version 0.9.9]
* 20 All Natural - SI.esp [Version 0.9.9]
* ++ All Natural - Enhanced Weather.esp [Version Final]
* ++ Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp
* 21 Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp
* ++ Enhanced Water v2.0 HD - SI Addon.esp [Version 0.1]
* ++ Symphony of Violence.esp
* 22 MIS Low Wind.esp
* 23 MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp
* 24 Storms & Sound.esp
* 25 WindowLightingSystem.esp
* 26 Book Jackets Oblivion.esp
* 27 ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp
* ++ Item interchange - Extraction.esp [Version 0.77]
* 28 Q - More and Moldy Ingredients v1.1.esp
* 29 Enhanced Economy.esp [Version 3.4.3]
* 2A FF_Real_Thirst.esp
* 2B Map Marker Overhaul.esp [Version 3.4]
* 2C Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp [Version 3.0.2]
* 2D sr_super_hotkeys.esp
* 2E DLCOrrery.esp
* 2F DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.3]
* 30 DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
* 31 DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]
* ++ MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp
* 32 Adonnays Elven Weaponry.esp
* ++ ArtifactsFemaleArmor.esp
* 33 Underworld Armor.esp
* ** Armamentium female.esp
* 34 KDCircletsOOOOptimized - NPC Equip.esp [Version 1.2]
* ++ FCOM_KDCircletsOOOOptimizedNPCEquip.esp [Version 0.9.9]
* 35 Slof's Oblivion Robe Trader.esp
* 36 Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.72]
* 37 Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]
* 38 FF_Real_Thirst, Cobl.esp
* 39 OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp [Version 1.72]
* ++ FCOM_Cobl.esp [Version 0.9.9]
* 3A Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
* 3B FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9]
* 3C Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp
* ++ FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp [Version 0.9.9]
* 3D Oblivion WarCry EV.esp
* 3E FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9MB3]
* 3F Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.34]
* ++ OOO-Water_Weeds.esp [Version 1.33]
* ++ OOO-Container_Trap_Instant_Effects.esp [Version 1.33]
* ++ OMOBS.esp [Version 1.0]
* ++ OMOBS_SI.esp [Version 1.0]
* 40 OMOBS Optional Combat Settings.esp [Version 1.0]
* ++ ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp [Version 1.35]
* 41 ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp [Version 1.35]
* 42 FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
* ++ FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp [Version 0.9.9beta2]
* 43 FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9]
* 44 FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp [Version 0.9.9]
* ++ FCOM_SaferRoads.esp [Version 0.9.9]
* ++ Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
* 45 Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
* 46 Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
* 47 Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
* 48 Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3f]
* ++ Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
* ++ Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
* ++ TamrielTravellerAdvscript.esp [Version 1.39c]
* 49 TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp [Version 1.39c]
* 4A TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp [Version 1.39c]
* 4B ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp [Version 1.39c]
* ++ ShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions4MMM.esp [Version 1.39c]
* ++ FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp [Version 0.9.9]
* ++ FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]
* ++ FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]
* ++ FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp [Version 0.9.9]
* ++ FCOM_Archery.esp [Version 0.9.9]
* ++ FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp [Version 0.9.9]
* ++ Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
* ++ ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp [Version 2.01]
* ++ ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp [Version 1.35]
* ++ PersuasionOverhaul_OOO.esp [Version 1.2]
* ++ PersuasionOverhaul_MMM.esp [Version 1.2]
* ++ Fransfemale.esp
* ++ MMM-Cobl.esp [Version 1.69]
* ++ EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4FCOM.esp
* 4C Artifacts.esp [Version 1.1]
* ++ Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp [Version 1.0]
* 4D Better Benirus Manor.esp
* 4E Feudal Empire 300.esp
* 4F Kragenir's Death Quest.esp
* 50 KDQ - Rural Line Additions.esp
* 51 Kragenirs_WhiteStallion_Compat.esp
* 52 Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
* ++ Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp
* 53 Kvatch Rebuilt - Leveled Guards - FCOM.esp
* 54 LetThePeopleDrink.esp [Version 2.5]
* 55 KragenirsDeathQuest-LetThePeopleDrink patch.esp
* 56 The Ayleid Steps.esp [Version 3.3]
* 57 TheElderCouncil.esp
* 58 Thievery.esp
* 59 thievery - EE patch.esp [Version 1.0]
* 5A VHBloodlines 1.2.esp [Version 1.4]
* 5B za_bankmod.esp
* 5C DLCfrostcrag.esp
* 5D FrostcragRebornCobl.esp
* 5E Knights.esp
* ** Knights - Book Jackets.esp
* 5F Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.9]
* ++ EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp
* 60 RTT.esp
* 61 RTT-Weye Relocation Patch.esp [Version 2.0]
* 62 AFK_Weye.esp
* 63 Mighty Umbra.esp
* 64 Ungarion1TheWelkyndSword.esp [Version 1.4]
* 65 Blood&Mud.esp
* 66 Blood&Mud - EE patch.esp [Version 1.0]
* 67 Origin of the Mages Guild.esp [Version 6.1]
* 68 Shadowcrest_Vineyard_COBL.esp
* ++ FCOM_MightyUmbra.esp [Version 0.9.9]
* 69 FCOM_Blood&Mud.esp [Version 0.9.9]
* ++ FCOM_Knights.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
* ++ FCOM_SlofsRobeTrader.esp [Version 0.9.9]
* 6A FCOM_OMG.esp [Version 0.9.9]
* ++ FCOM_OMGSRT.esp [Version 0.9.9]
* 6B ElsweyrAnequina.esp
* ++ ElsweyrAnequina - Races HGEC-Robert.esp
* 6C BetterMusicSystem(Elsweyr).esp
* 6D road+bridges.esp [Version 4.5.4]
* 6E NRB4+Vineyard Patch.esp
* 6F Faregyl.esp [Version 1.0.10]
* 70 Faregyl+Anequina Patch.esp
* 71 xuldarkforest.esp [Version 1.0.4]
* 72 xulStendarrValley.esp [Version 1.2.2]
* 73 xulTheHeath.esp
* 74 XulEntiusGorge.esp
* 75 xulFallenleafEverglade.esp [Version 1.3.1]
* 76 TheElderCouncil-FallenleafEverglade patch.esp [Version 1.2]
* 77 Anequina-Fallenleaf-Patch.esp
* 78 xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp [Version 1.2.1]
* 79 xulChorrolHinterland.esp [Version 1.2.2]
* 7A xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp [Version 1.6.4]
* 7B KragenirsDeathQuest-LostCoast patch.esp
* 7C xulBravilBarrowfields.esp [Version 1.3.2]
* 7D xulLushWoodlands.esp [Version 1.3]
* 7E xulAncientYews.esp [Version 1.4.2]
* 7F xulAncientRedwoods.esp [Version 1.6]
* 80 xulCloudtopMountains.esp [Version 1.0.3]
* 81 KragenirsDeathQuest-CloudtopMountains patch.esp
* 82 xulArriusCreek.esp [Version 1.1.3]
* 83 xulPatch_AY_AC.esp [Version 1.1]
* 84 xulRollingHills_EV.esp [Version 1.3.2]
* 85 KragenirsDeathQuest-RollingHills patch.esp
* 86 xulPantherRiver.esp
* 87 Blood&Mud-PantherRiver patch.esp
* 88 xulRiverEthe.esp [Version 1.0.2]
* 89 xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp [Version 1.0.2]
* 8A xulImperialIsle.esp [Version 1.6.3]
* 8B xulBlackwoodForest.esp
* 8C xulCheydinhalFalls.esp [Version 1.0.1]
* 8D Blood&Mud-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
* 8E KvatchRebuilt-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
* 8F xulAspenWood.esp [Version 1.0.1]
* 90 xulSkingradOutskirts.esp
* 91 NRB4+UL-II+LtPD Patch.esp [Version 3.0]
* 92 OTEP - Aleswell.esp [Version 1.5]
* ++ FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp [Version 0.9.9]
* 93 Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0]
* ++ Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0]
* 94 AutoBookPlacer.esp
* 95 PersuasionOverhaul.esp [Version 1.43]
* 96 Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp [Version 3.08]
* 97 Roleplaying Dialogues.esp
* 98 Quest Award Leveller.esp
* ++ Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp
* ++ Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp
* 99 RealisticForceMedium.esp
* 9A RealisticMagicForceLow.esp
* 9B RealSleepExtended.esp [Version 2.3.4]
* 9C SupremeMagicka.esp [Version 0.90]
* 9D SM_ShiveringIsles.esp [Version 0.86]
* ++ SM_OOO.esp [Version 0.89]
* ++ SM_MMM.esp [Version 0.89]
* ++ SM_COBL.esp [Version 0.86]
* ++ SM_Scrolls.esp [Version 0.84]
* ++ SM_SigilStone.esp [Version 0.83]
* 9E MidasSpells.esp
* 9F StealthOverhaul.esp
* A0 ZumbsLockpickingMod - OBSE.esp
* A1 Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed Block and 2.5x damage.esp
* A2 DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp
* ++ SM_DeadlyReflex.esp [Version 0.86]
* A3 RealisticLeveling.esp
* ++ Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp [Version 0.77]
* ++ Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag Reborn.esp [Version 0.77]
* ++ Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk, reduced.esp [Version 0.77]
* A4 bgBalancingEVCore.esp [Version 10.52EV-D]
* A5 bgMagicEV.esp [Version 1.7EV]
* ++ bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp [Version 1.68EV]
* ++ bgMagicItemSigil.esp [Version 1.68EV]
* A6 bgMagicBonus.esp [Version 1.7EV]
* ++ bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp [Version 1.68EV]
* ++ bgBalancingEVOptionalFangs.esp [Version 10.0EV-D]
* ++ bgBalancingEVOptionalMoreEyes.esp [Version 10]
* ++ bgBalancingEVOptionalBetterRedguards.esp
* ** bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, TNR Merge Better Redguards.esp [Version 10.0EV-D]
* ++ bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp [Version 10.]
* ** bgBalancingOptionalNPCDiversityKvatchRebuilt, for Wrye Bash.esp [Version 9.0EV-D]
* A7 bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp [Version 10.51EV-D]
* ++ bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp [Version 10.0EV-D1.62EV]
* ** bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversityLAME.esp [Version 10.5EV-D]
* A8 bgIntegrationEV.esp [Version 0.993]
* A9 Better Cities Full - B&M Edition.esp
* AA Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp
* AB Better Cities - Ruined Tail's Tale.esp
* AC Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp
* AD Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp
* AE Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp
* AF Better Cities - Thievery.esp
* B0 Better Cities - VHBloodlines.esp
* B1 Better Imperial City.esp
* B2 Better Cities - COBL.esp [Version 2]
* ** bgMagicEVShader.esp [Version 1.7EV]
* ++ Visually Realistic Lava.esp
* B3 Real Hunger, Cobl.esp [Version 1.6.1]
* B4 NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp
* ++ Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp [Version 1.53]
* ** All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp [Version 0.9.9]
* B5 Bashed Patch, 0.esp
* B6 kuerteeCleanUp.esp

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» Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:26 am

A couple of quick general comments and questions:

1) DO NOT user the regular quest+UL patches with BC. Use the BC versions ONLY instead (which you already have installed.) Duplicating patches is not helping.
2) Did you clean Feudal Empire 300? (That is the one that is supposed to succeed Knights of the White Stallion, but actually does not, right?)
3) Make sure you bashed patch is built properly. (Use this as a reference: http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/finishinstall/bashedpatch.)

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:35 am

Thanks for the reply and the comment on my LO, TomLong.

1)I'm not sure what you mean by your first comment. I thought UL patches and BC patches took care of very different and specific issues. Do you see any specific example of redundant patches in there?

2) I installed Feudal empire after seeing the recommendation in BOSS. I used to have KotWS, and I haven't started Feudal Empire yet. I wasn't aware that it needed cleaning...

3) I built my bashed patch for FCOM according to your precious recommendations and hereby take the opportunity to thank you for them :foodndrink:

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:27 am

1) * 8D Blood&Mud-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp

2) It really needs cleaning, and it requires manual work because there is a bad edit TES4Edit's automated cleaning cannot deal with. You will not be able to save the plugin. Also, unless you find the one floating around who knows where on the net, if you check that plugin in TES4View/Edit, it only replaces the uniforms of some guards. Replace KotWS if you want a real quest mod.

3) Sounds good.

Edit: Rebuild it again after taking out that redundant patch. If you use TES4LODGen, you should rebuild it every time you change your load order, right after rebuilding the bashed patch.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:45 am

Thanks for the quick reply and the advice. The B&M patch must have slipped by me, it is obviously redundant. And I guess I will have to reinstall KoTWS then, I don't fancy manually cleaning a mod...

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:54 am

There is not much to it anyway, but, yes, manually editing really should not be done by anyone who does not have a lot of experience messing around with mods. However, I think the plugin cleaning guide says exactly what needs to be removed.

http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/tunesetup/cleaning

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:37 am

Hey there! I had not noticed this before, but I have this strange crash too...

I noticed it only now because I mainly use magic, but I've been wielding LoD for many hours, my game crashes when fighting dread zombies!

If the OP is still interested in troublehooting I'll post my L/O, since I can't ATM.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:37 pm

might be a bad mesh...

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:19 pm

might be a bad mesh...

Hi Tomlong!

Don't think so... Because it happens with alarming frequence only when hitting them with LoD (at least to me...) I can go on just fine if I zap them with some spells...

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:06 am

That is odd... Could you post your load order, please? Maybe you have a script conflict going on with damage calculation or something...? Are you using DR?

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:02 am

Here you go!

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Masters for: Streamsave_13.ess
00 Oblivion.esm
01 Jog_X_Mod.esm
02 ScreenEffects.esm
03 All Natural Base.esm [Version 0.9.7]
04 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
05 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
06 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.72]
07 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34]
08 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b3p3]
09 CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm
0A TamrielTravellers.esm [Version 1.39c]
0B FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9MB3]
0C Armamentarium.esm [Version 1.3]
0D Artifacts.esm
0E Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
0F BetterMusicSystem.esm
10 AFC v2 Core.esm
11 Progress.esm [Version 2.0]
12 EyeCandy - Content.esm
13 CustomSpellIcons.esm
14 HorseCombatMaster.esm
15 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.3a]
16 UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp [Version 1.0.0]
17 Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
18 DLCShiveringIsles.esp
19 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0]
** Oblivion Vwalk UOS.esp
** DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk UOS.esp
** DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk DG_DS UOS.esp
1A Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
1B Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
1C Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp
++ FranDarkSeducerWeapFix.esp
++ FCOM_Francescos.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9]
1D FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9]
1E All Natural.esp [Version 0.9.7]
++ All Natural - EW + NW + AWS.esp [Version 0.9.6]
1F phinix-waterfix.esp
++ Symphony of Violence.esp
20 300_Lore_Dialogue_Updated.esp
21 AliveWaters.esp
22 AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp
23 AliveWaters - Slaughterfish Addon.esp
24 Ayleid Loot EXtension.esp
25 AFC v2 Combat Moves.esp
26 AFC v2 Damage Text.esp
27 AFC v2 Gauntlet Weaponry.esp
28 AFC v2 Locational Damage.esp
++ AFC v2 Tempfix.esp
++ Item interchange - Extraction.esp [Version 0.76]
29 Mage_Guild_Teleport.esp
2A Oblivion Cats v0.2b.esp
2B Redecoration.esp
2C Living Economy - Items.esp
2D Enhanced Economy.esp [Version 3.4.3]
2E moDem's City Life.esp
** moDem's City Life Vwalk.esp
2F Choices and Consequences.esp
30 Map Marker Overhaul.esp [Version 3.0.2]
31 Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp [Version 3.0.2]
32 Guild Map Markers.esp
33 HotkeyCasting.esp
34 Lem - Hotkey Cyclers.esp
35 sr_super_hotkeys.esp
36 EyeCandy Compilation.esp
++ MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp
37 Ace's Warlock Gear.esp
38 ClothGloves.esp
39 DMGloves.esp
3A XSPipeMod.esp [Version 1.2]
3B HorseCommandsSI.esp
3C Thieves Arsenal.esp
** Armamentium female.esp
3D GizmodianSorceress.esp
3E MD Saddlebags v3.0.esp
3F MELF_HorseSanity.esp
++ MMM_Runeskull_Rebalance_BETA2.esp [Version Beta]
40 Slof's Oblivion Robe Trader.esp
41 Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.72]
42 Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]
43 OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp [Version 1.72]
++ FCOM_Cobl.esp [Version 0.9.9]
44 Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
45 FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9]
46 Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp
++ FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp [Version 0.9.9]
47 Oblivion WarCry EV.esp
48 FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9MB3]
49 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.34]
** Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul Vwalk.esp
4A Choices and Consequences - OOO.esp [Version 0.2]
++ ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp
4B ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp [Version 1.3]
4C OBSE-Storms & Sound SI.esp
4D FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
4E Choices and Consequences - MMM.esp [Version 0.2]
++ FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp [Version 0.9.9beta2]
4F FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9]
50 FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_SpawnRatesSlightlyReduced.esp [Version 0.9.9MB3]
51 Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp [Version 3.7b3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp
++ FCOM_SaferRoads.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_LessRats.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_NoAdventurersInGates.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_LessReaversInGates.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp [Version 3.7b3]
52 Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp [Version 3.7b1]
53 Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp [Version 3.7b3]
54 Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp [Version 3.7b3]
55 Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp [Version 3.7b3]
56 Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
57 Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
58 FarmAnimalsofCyrodiil.esp [Version 1.31]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp [Version 3.7b3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot G&GD.esp [Version 3.7b3]
++ TamrielTravellerAdvScript.esp [Version 1.39c]
59 TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp [Version 1.39c]
** TamrielTravellers4OOO Vwalk.esp
++ TamrielTravellersItemsnpc.esp [Version 1.39c]
5A TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp [Version 1.39c]
++ TamrielTravellersItemsVendor.esp [Version 1.39c]
5B ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp [Version 1.39c]
** ShiveringIsleTravellers Vwalk.esp
++ ShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions4MMM.esp [Version 1.39c]
++ FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_Archery.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp [Version 0.9.9]
5C FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp [Version 0.9.9]
5D FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp
++ ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp [Version 2.0]
++ PersuasionOverhaul_OOO.esp [Version 1.2]
++ PersuasionOverhaul_MMM.esp [Version 1.2]
++ Fransfemale.esp
5E SSEE-OOO.esp
++ MMM-Cobl.esp [Version 1.73]
++ EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4FCOM.esp
5F Enhanced Quest Roleplaying.esp
++ Enhanced Quest Roleplaying - OOO.esp
++ Enhanced Quest Roleplaying - FCOM.esp
60 Ivellon.esp [Version 1.8]
61 Artifacts.esp
62 GB_Oblivion Tournament.esp
63 Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
++ Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp
64 Kvatch Rebuilt - Leveled Guards - FCOM.esp
++ Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp
** Kvatch Rebuilt Vwalk.esp
65 Mimics!.esp
66 The Ayleid Steps.esp [Version 3.3]
** The Ayleid Steps Vwalk.esp
67 TheElderCouncil.esp
68 TheElderCouncil_TempleOfTheOne.esp
69 thievery.esp
6A thievery - EE patch.esp [Version 1.0]
6B VaultsofCyrodiil.esp
6C 24HrArenaAliveV2Towers.esp
6D 24HrArenaAliveLow.esp
6E The Lost Spires.esp
** The Lost Spires Vwalk.esp
6F Mighty Umbra.esp
70 Blood&Mud.esp
71 Blood&Mud - EE patch.esp [Version 1.0]
** Blood&Mud Vwalk.esp
72 Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp
73 Origin of the Mages Guild.esp [Version 5.1]
74 TheNecromancer.esp
75 Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ FCOM_MightyUmbra.esp [Version 0.9.9]
76 FCOM_Blood&Mud.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_SlofsRobeTrader.esp [Version 0.9.9]
77 FCOM_OMG.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_OMGSRT.esp [Version 0.9.9]
78 road+bridges.esp [Version 4.5]
79 xulStendarrValley.esp [Version 1.2.2]
7A XulEntiusGorge.esp
7B xulChorrolHinterland.esp [Version 1.2.2]
** xulChorrolHinterland Vwalk.esp
7C xulRiverEthe.esp [Version 1.0.2]
7D Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0]
++ Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0]
7E Automatic Difficulty Increaser.esp
7F EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp
++ FewerOBGates.esp
80 PersuasionOverhaul.esp [Version 1.4]
81 Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp [Version 3.08]
82 Enhanced Vegetation [125%].esp
83 stickierenemytargeting.esp
84 Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp [Version 3.1.1]
85 VisiblyUnlimited.esp
86 Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp
87 RealisticForceMedium.esp
88 RealisticMagicForceMedium.esp
89 Power Exhaustion.esp [Version -01]
8A GalerionUnarmoredAcrobatics.esp
8B EnchantmentMastery.esp
8C MidasSpells.esp
8D Midas OscuroGems.esp
++ Midas Betterholy.esp
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Midas Creature Ingredients.esp
8E FearsomeMagicka.esp
8F CustomSpellIcons.esp
90 Syc_AtHomeAlchemy.esp
91 RshAlchemy.esp
92 Enchantment Enhanced.esp
93 attack and hide harder v2.1.esp
94 DD_ProximitySneakPenalty.esp
95 DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp
++ SM_DeadlyReflex.esp [Version 0.86]
96 Duke Patricks - Near Miss Magic And Arrow Shots Alert The Target.esp
97 Duke Patricks - Momentum Damage Bonus Custom.esp
98 ProgressGSD.esp [Version 1.1]
99 ProgressMBSP.esp [Version 1.0]
9A ProgressSBSP.esp [Version 1.0]
9B Legendary Abilities-Fortify Health MOJ.esp
9C Grandmaster of Alchemy.esp
9D S.P.A.M. 100+.esp
9E S.P.A.M. option - Restore Spec.esp
9F S.P.A.M. option - Restore Fav.esp
A0 immersive_caves_manual.esp
A1 Let There Be Darkness - Cyrodiil + SI.esp
++ Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp [Version 0.76]
A2 bgBalancingEVCore.esp [Version 10.52EV-D]
A3 bgMagicEV.esp [Version 1.7EV]
++ bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp [Version 1.68EV]
++ bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp [Version 1.68EV]
A4 bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp [Version 1.68EV]
A5 SupremeMagicka.esp [Version 0.89]
A6 SM_ShiveringIsles.esp [Version 0.86]
++ SM_OOO.esp [Version 0.89]
++ SM_MMM.esp [Version 0.89]
++ SM_COBL.esp
A7 SM_EnchantStaff.esp [Version 0.80]
++ SM_UnlockSpells.esp [Version 0.70]
++ SM_Scrolls.esp [Version 0.84]
++ bgMagicEV_Conjuration_for_Supreme_Magicka.esp [Version 1.5]
++ bgBalancingEVOptionalMoreEyes.esp [Version 10]
** bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, TNR Merge.esp [Version 10.0EV-D]
++ bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp [Version 10.]
** bgBalancingOptionalNPCDiversityKvatchRebuilt, for Wrye Bash.esp [Version 9.0EV-D]
A8 bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp [Version 10.51EV-D]
++ bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp [Version 10.0EV-D1.62EV]
** bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversityLAME.esp [Version 10.5EV-D]
A9 bgIntegrationEV.esp [Version 0.962]
++ EVE_KhajiitFix.esp
AA ScreenControls.esp
AB NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp
++ Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp [Version 1.53]
AC Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp [Version 01]
** All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp
AD Bashed Patch, 0.esp
AE Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot beta Place After Bashed Patch.esp
AF FormID Finder4.esp
B0 Streamline 3.1.esp

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:31 pm

I would remove this before trying anything else:

52 Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp [Version 3.7b1]

Edit: Drop these...FCOM:

55 Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp [Version 3.7b3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot G&GD.esp [Version 3.7b3]
AE Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot beta Place After Bashed Patch.esp

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:56 am

Thx! I'll try tomorrow and post my results, as for the last 3 you suggested, are they just an educated guess to solve the Zombie crash, or you're actually saying I should remove them because they're harmful?

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:01 am

...They should not be used with FCOM.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:51 pm

And why shouldn't we use Zombies for Body Meshes? I'm betting on it being completely coincidental, but I had a crash at the exact moment I killed a Dread Zombie, and when I removed that plugin and went back, no crash.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:08 am

I have not looked in that plugin, so I do not know what it does. I guess it is fairly new, so someone should probably report this in the MMM thread, if someone has not already done so.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:17 pm

It doesn't even touch the Dread Zombies. It just adds a "zombie suit" to the NPC Zombies (the racial zombies which can't use the creature mesh/textures, like zombie orcs and Khajiit). It appears the purpose of it is to make the zombie texture work properly with body mods like Roberts and HGEC by giving them a full body suit that essentially removes the body mod and reinstates the original body shape.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:01 am

Huh...I guess I did not run into the zombies then...oh, right...I have not played MMM 3.7 yet...

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:44 am

Yup, just happened to me again, so:

1. Zombies for Body Meshes has nothing to do with it, as Showler pointed out.

2. It doesn't happen all the time :huh:

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:49 pm

I tried LOD on some vampires and got a hard repeatable crash, but I figured out, I was vampire, Doubt that's any help, but...

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:41 pm

I tried LOD on some vampires and got a hard repeatable crash, but I figured out, I was vampire, Doubt that's any help, but...

Yeah, don't use LOD when you're a vampire... I've had that too. It's too bad we can't just get a message saying 'Light of Dawn? Are you suicidal?" or something.

As for the dread zombie thing, I've had the problem with LOD repeatedly, and once with an Ayleid Cloud bow, one those enchanted bows from Adonnay's Elven Weaponry. It might be a coincidence, but it was exactly the same crash: immediate CTD at the precise moment the zombie dies. And I've never used Zombies for body meshes BTW. But Ishmaeltheforsaken is right: it doesn't happen ALL the time, just very often. I still have no clue why though.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:44 am

The only difference between the dread zombies and there less dread-ful counterparts is the shader that's applied to them... perhaps that has something to do with it?

[EDIT] Also, I've noticed it happen with Lich Kings as well...

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:20 pm

I tried removing them all too, no difference, when fighting a Dread zombie with LoD the game crashes, ususally when dealing the killing blow, but I 've seen it happen even after a couple of hit...

II'm pretty sure this is a LoD glitch, probably has been there for ages without anyone noticing, I can kill them just fine with magic or other weapons...

Could someone else give this a shot? I can provide form id for LoD and Dread zombies as soon as I return home, if someone cares...

Also, I've noticed it happen with Lich Kings as well...

??? I can kill Lich king without problems, I'm sure.... I fought 3 in the same battle, just before the Dread Zombie that made me remember about this thread

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:14 pm

Could someone else give this a shot? I can provide form id for LoD and Dread zombies as soon as I return home, if someone cares...

Just tried and I also get an instant CTD when using LoD against Dread Zombies. It worked fine with the first one I spawned, then it CTD'd with the next one, which had a different ID. Reloading it CTD'd when I spawned the first variant again. So: CTD's two times of three.

I don't know enough about scripts to check what might cause it, so someone else has to check this out more closely.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:30 pm

What is "LOD"?