Crashes related to number of mods : IV

» Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:02 am

i have always had this random crash: the game crashes whenever i try to unequip items. i can switch gear if i do it right after loading the game, but if i try to after playing for a bit i get the crash. i call it random because sometimes it would go away for extended periods of time and return again later. lately i have noticed it seems to be related to the number of mods i have. if i am running an odd number of mods i get the crash; however, if i have a even number of mods running the crash disappears.

anyone else have this problem? or know what could be causing it? honestly i am not too keen on fixing the issue (since as long as i have an even number of mods there is no issue), just curious if other people i having the same problem.

here's my load order:

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Oblivion.esm
Jog_X_Mod.esm
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm
Mart's Monster Mod.esm
Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm
TamrielTravellers.esm
Armamentarium.esm
Artifacts.esm
HorseCombatMaster.esm
Progress.esm
Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp
DLCShiveringIsles.esp
Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp
Enhanced Economy.esp
Streamline 3.1.esp
Map Marker Overhaul.esp
Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp
Enhanced Hotkeys.esp
Weapon Expansion Pack for Oblivion Nthusiasts.esp
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp
ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp
Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Less Rats.esp
Mart's Monster Mod for OOO - NoReaversInGates.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - No Carrion Rats.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - No Undead Rise.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - No Wyvern.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot OOO.esp
TamrielTravellers.esp
Travellers4MMMHostileFactions.esp
TamrielTravellersItemsnpc.esp
ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp
ShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions4MMM.esp
ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp
ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp
OOO-WaterFish.esp
Artifacts.esp
Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp
BrotherhoodRenewed.esp
Kragenir's Death Quest.esp
KDQ - Rural Line Additions.esp
thievery.esp
VaultsofCyrodiil.esp
Lynges_Thieves_Highway-10256.esp
Knights.esp
Mart's Monster Mod for OOO - Knights .esp
xuldarkforest.esp
xulStendarrValley.esp
xulTheHeath.esp
XulEntiusGorge.esp
xulFallenleafEverglade.esp
xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp
xulChorrolHinterland.esp
xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp
KragenirsDeathQuest-LostCoast patch.esp
xulBravilBarrowfields.esp
xulLushWoodlands.esp
xulAncientYews.esp
xulAncientRedwoods.esp
xulCloudtopMountains.esp
KragenirsDeathQuest-CloudtopMountains patch.esp
xulArriusCreek.esp
xulPatch_AY_AC.esp
xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat.esp
KragenirsDeathQuest-RollingHills patch.esp
xulPantherRiver.esp
xulRiverEthe.esp
xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp
xulImperialIsle.esp
xulBlackwoodForest.esp
xulCheydinhalFalls.esp
xulAspenWood.esp
xulSkingradOutskirts.esp
xulSnowdale.esp
OOO-Snowdale Patch.esp
Harvest [Flora].esp
Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp
Birthsigns Expanded.esp
Birthsign Zero.esp
HUD Status Bars.esp
Class Advantages.esp
P1DkeyChain.esp
Short Grass V3.esp
Quest Award Leveling SI.esp
Quest Award Leveller.esp
Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp
ConduitMagic.esp
RefScope.esp
Enchantment Enhanced.esp
EnchantmentRestore.esp
EnchantmentRestore_Wells.esp
SM Combat Hide.esp
attack and hide medium v2.1.esp
RenGuardOverhaul.esp
Enhanced Grabbing.esp
I just hit you.esp
Mounted_Spellcasting_Deadly_Reflex_Compatible.esp
Phitt's Phighting Phixes.esp
Governing Attributes.esp
SP1stPLegs.esp
Cava Obscura - Cyrodiil.esp
Cava Obscura - SI.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp
bgMagicEV.esp
bgMagicItemSigil.esp
bgMagicEVStartspells.esp
bgMagicBonus.esp
bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp
TRAP.esp
Enhanced Economy - Soulgems.esp
DeadlyReflex 6 - Combat Moves.esp
Cannt touch me!.esp
ProgressArmorer.esp
ProgressMBSP.esp
ProgressRacial.esp
ProgressRBSP.esp
ProgressSBSP.esp

» Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:12 am

Somehow I doubt your TCD is due to number of mods.
Rather, it is a compatibility issue.
Your load order seems to be OK but...
... I noticed you miss Bashed Patch. Correct?

If so, you are missing essential tool for managing a game with overhauls like MOU (MMM+OOO), FCOM etc.
For stability and compatibility you install Wrye bash, put Bashed patch in your Data folder and run how to build and rebuild it.
Otherwise you are doomed to crash.

Maximum number of active mods is 255.
With bashed patch you can integrate some modsand make them virtually active only and can go over this number.
For instance - I run 297 mods but I have merged so many that theactual number of mods is 196.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:18 pm

you are correct, i don't use wyre bash. i tried it before but i kept installing it wrong so i just gave up.

i honesty didn't think the number of mods was the problem, until i half-a$$ed tested it. i removed one of my mods so i had an odd number, created a new char, and- bam- crash. reinstalled that mod, created a new char, and no crashes. not the most thorough method, but it seems to backup my original guess. your input is making me think this behavior is just a symptom of something else.

guess its time to try and install wyre bash again. now to find that pictorial guide....

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:05 pm

The latest version of Bash (291 -- available via the official thread) has an installer. That should take care of your installing woes.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:56 pm

The latest version of Bash (291 -- available via the official thread) has an installer. That should take care of your installing woes.

hell ya! you guys are life savers