Crashing when approaching Missing Pauldron in Bliss : IV

» Fri May 04, 2012 2:52 am

Looking for a little help,

I have been trying to find the cause of a mysterious crash in my sons game. Every time he goes near the Missing Pauldron in Bliss the game crashes. Just when you approach it. Anyone know what this may be?

Current setup:
I use Wrye Bash, Boss, and TES4EDIT.
As well as Streamline (only purge and save), OSR, and Crash Prevention.

I use Conscribe, FormID, Refscope, FastExit, Pluggy, MenuQue, and OBGE3 for OBSE plugins (a few minor ones too)

Is there a way to enable a sort of debug logging mode? That way I could see what is crashing the game (or maybe just the mod)?
Another problem is some missing meshes even though I have installed everything properly. Some missing are supposed to be in the Oblivion-Meshes.bsa but still show as missing. (I did Pyiffi but I tried it with both regular and Pyiffi version).

Thanks for any help you can give.

Load order:

Spoiler

00 Oblivion.esm
01 TR_OoT_Main.esm
02 GTAesgaard_2.esm
03 Windfall.esm
04 All Natural Base.esm [Version 1.3.1]
05 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm [Version 5.0]
06 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm [Version 5.0]
07 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.72]
08 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b3p3]
09 SewerExpansion.esm
0A Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
0B Better Cities Resources.esm [Version 5.1.8]
0C NNWAEMaster.esm
0D StaticAlchemyMod.esm
0E CM Partners.esm
0F The Arsenal.esm
10 AGC-TARDISv5mstr.esm
11 MenuSysFramework.esm
** TNR - ShiveringIsles.esp
12 DibellasWatch.esp
13 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.4.1]
14 UOPS Additional Changes.esp
15 DLCShiveringIsles.esp
16 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.5.0]
17 USIPS Additional Changes.esp
** MOBS SI.esp [Version 2.0]
18 Better Cities .esp [Version 4.7.0]
19 Francesco's Creatures and Items Resources.esp [Version 5.0]
1A FranOBSEConfig.esp [Version 0.5]
1B All Natural.esp [Version 1.3.1]
1C All Natural - SI.esp [Version 1.3.1]
++ All Natural - MMM Patch.esp [Version 1.3]
1D Immersive Interiors.esp [Version 0.8.1]
1E Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp
1F Idle Dialogue.esp [Version 1.3]
++ Symphony of Violence.esp
20 Atmospheric Oblivion.esp
21 Sounds Of Cyrodiil.esp [Version 1.1]
22 All Natural - Real Lights.esp [Version 1.3.1]
23 WindowLightingSystem.esp
24 Akatosh Mount By Saiden Storm.esp
** Cobl Bookjackets.esp
25 Oblivion Collectible Cards.esp
26 PTFallingStars.esp
27 Reznod_Mannequin.esp
28 Enhanced Economy.esp [Version 5.4.3]
29 Populated Prisons.esp
2A PTRoamingNPCs.esp
2B DropLitTorchOBSE.esp [Version 2.4]
2C FormID Finder4.esp
2D QZ Easy Menus.esp
2E Spell Delete And Item Remove.esp
2F Dynamic Map.esp [Version 2.1.1]
30 Map Marker Overhaul.esp [Version 3.9.3]
31 Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp [Version 3.9.3]
32 HouseMapMarkersOnlyBought.esp
33 DLCHorseArmor.esp
34 DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.7]
35 DLCOrrery.esp
36 DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
37 DLCVileLair.esp
38 DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.7]
** Lair_mobs.esp
39 DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
3A DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
** Mehrunes_mobs.esp
3B Sounds of Cyrodiil - Mehrune's Razor Add-On.esp [Version 1.0]
3C DLCSpellTomes.esp
++ DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1]
** Book Jackets DLC.esp
** GrimbotsSpellTomes.esp
3D Battlespire Books.esp
3E Dark Dragon Armor.esp [Version 1.1]
3F ISEmpireSwords.esp
40 Doomshard Bow.esp
41 PTArtifacts.esp
42 The Arsenal.esp
43 The Arsenal - Ancient Ayleid Weaponry.esp [Version 1.1]
44 The Arsenal - Leveled Lists.esp [Version 3.0.0]
45 The Arsenal - Mercenary Weaponry.esp [Version 1.0]
46 TheHolyBlade.esp
47 Tyrael Armor.esp
48 WarriorBandages_V2.0.esp
49 Weapon Expansion Pack for Oblivion Nthusiasts.esp [Version 1.03]
4A DLCThievesDen.esp
4B DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.10]
** Thievesden_mobs.esp
4C Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp
4D Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp [Version 5.0]
4E Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp [Version 5.0]
4F Francesco's Optional Dungeon Chest Loot.esp [Version 5.0]
50 Francesco's Optional Dungeon Chest Locks.esp [Version 5.0]
51 Francesco's Optional House Chest Loot.esp [Version 5.0]
52 Francesco's Optional Leveled Quests.esp [Version 5.0]
53 Alluring Potion Bottles v3.esp
54 Alluring Wine Bottles.esp
55 Mart's Monster Mod for Fran.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Imperial Armor.esp [Version 3.7b3p]
56 Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Durability & Damage.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
57 Mart's Monster Mod - Fran's leveled quests.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - No Blood.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
58 Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Friendlier Factions MMM+Fran.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
59 Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3f]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot G&GD.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
5A Revenants.esp
++ Atmospheric Oblivion - MMM Patch.esp
** Fransfemale.esp
** EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4MMM.esp
5B Castle Ravenpride.esp [Version 1.01]
5C Ivellon.esp [Version 1.8]
5D A Sneaky Buy - BETTER CITIES.esp
5E AdenseEpicDungeon.esp
5F Better Dark Brotherhood Sanctuary.esp [Version 3.21]
60 BHC_Expanded.esp [Version 1.2]
61 DarknessHollows.esp
62 (DC) Sutch Reborn.esp
63 DibellasWatchAdditions.esp
64 DoTheUnderdark.esp
65 Dwemer_Skyship_1_1_0.esp
66 Dwemer Ruins.esp
67 Dungeons of Blackwood.esp
68 Kragenir's Death Quest.esp [Version 2.11]
69 KDQ - Rural Line Additions.esp
6A Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
++ Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp
6B LostSwordOfTheAylied.esp
6C The Imperial Water - BETTER CITIES.esp
6D NNWAREAyleidDungeons_Series1EV.esp [Version 2.2b]
6E NNWAEDungeons-Series2EV.esp
6F NNWARE06-RhyeliaEmeroEV.esp
70 GTAesgaard.esp [Version 1.3]
71 GTAesgaard_2.esp
72 Gates To Aesgaard 2 Delayer.esp [Version 1.0]
73 ScarletMonastery.esp
74 SewerExpansion-Cheydinhal.esp
75 SewerExpansion-Bravil.esp
76 ShadowfangKeep.esp
77 Skyrim Nord Tombs.esp
78 Stroti Tribute.esp [Version 1.1]
79 SunderedKeep.esp
7A Tavern-Goers 2.esp
7B The Ayleid Steps.esp [Version 3.4]
++ Aylied Steps - AN Real Lights patch.esp [Version 1.00]
7C CDEP_FanaCeya.esp
7D TheForgottenRealm.esp
7E The_Tower_of_the_Lich_King-4492.esp [Version 2.5]
7F Elder Council Plugin 1.1.esp
80 TR_Stirk.esp
81 Stirk_Compatibility_Patch.esp
82 Valenwood Improved.esp
83 WellDiver.esp
84 Windfall.esp
85 Zera LeSaar's Aethera Aeternium.esp
86 24HrArenaAliveV2.esp
87 DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
88 DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.6]
** Battlehorn_mobs.esp
89 DLCFrostcrag.esp
8A DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.6]
8B DLCFrostcragReborn.esp [Version 1.4.7]
++ Kvatch Rebuilt + Frostcrag Reborn De-Isolated Teleport Patch.esp [Version 1.0]
8C Knights.esp
** Knights - Book Jackets.esp
8D Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.1.2]
** EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp
8E SM Plugin Refurbish(Merged).esp [Version 1.30]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Knights.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
8F Sounds of Cyrodiil - KOTN Add-on.esp [Version 1.0]
** DLC_MOBS.esp
90 TOTF.esp
++ TOTF Delayer.esp
91 RTT.esp
92 RTT-Weye Relocation Patch.esp [Version 2.0.1]
93 The Lost Spires.esp
94 Blood&Mud.esp
++ Blood&Mud - EE patch.esp [Version 4.2]
95 Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp
96 AFK_Weye.esp [Version 2.31.Non-COBL]
97 Daedric Shrine Ruins.esp
98 ElsweyrAnequina.esp
99 Unofficial Elsweyr Anequina Patch.esp
++ ElsweyrAnequina - Races HGEC-Robert.esp [Version 1.2]
9A Tales from Elsweyr Anequina.esp
9B Elsweyr Valenwood Daedric Shrine Patch.esp
9C road+bridges.esp [Version 4.6.3]
9D HeartOftheDead.esp [Version 6.5]
9E Sounds of Cyrodiil - HOTD Add-on.esp [Version 1.0]
9F xuldarkforest.esp [Version 1.0.5]
++ LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp
A0 xulStendarrValley.esp [Version 1.2.2]
A1 xulTheHeath.esp
++ SutchReborn-TheHeath patch.esp
A2 XulEntiusGorge.esp
A3 xulFallenleafEverglade.esp [Version 1.3.1]
++ LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp
++ Anequina-Fallenleaf-Patch.esp
++ Valenwood Improved - Fallenleaf Everglade EV - Patch.esp [Version 1.0]
A4 xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp [Version 1.2.1]
A5 xulChorrolHinterland.esp [Version 1.2.2]
A6 xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp [Version 1.6.4]
A7 SutchReborn-LostCoast patch.esp
A8 xulBravilBarrowfields.esp [Version 1.3.3]
A9 Tales Elsweyr Anq Bravil Barrowfields Patch.esp
AA xulLushWoodlands.esp [Version 1.3.1]
AB xulAncientYews.esp [Version 1.4.3]
AC xulAncientRedwoods.esp [Version 1.6]
AD xulCloudtopMountains.esp [Version 1.0.3]
AE xulArriusCreek.esp [Version 1.1.3]
AF xulPatch_AY_AC.esp [Version 1.1]
B0 HeartoftheDead-ArriusCreek patch.esp
B1 LostSwordoftheAyleids-ArriusCreek patch.esp
++ AFK_Weye Arrius_Creek Patch.esp
B2 xulRollingHills_EV.esp [Version 1.3.3]
B3 xulPantherRiver.esp
B4 Blood&Mud-PantherRiver patch.esp
B5 xulRiverEthe.esp [Version 1.0.2]
++ Valenwood Improved - River Ethe EV - Patch.esp [Version 1.0]
B6 xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp [Version 1.1.1]
B7 Brena River Ravine Daedric Shrine Ruins Patch.esp
B8 xulImperialIsle.esp [Version 1.6.7]
++ UL Imperial Isle Adense Epic Dungeon Patch.esp
B9 xulBlackwoodForest.esp [Version 1.1.0]
BA xulCheydinhalFalls.esp [Version 1.0.1]
BB Blood&Mud-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
BC TearsOfTheFiend-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
BD KvatchRebuilt-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
BE CastleRavenpride-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
BF DungeonsOfIvellon-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
C0 xulAspenWood.esp [Version 1.0.2]
C1 xulSkingradOutskirts.esp [Version 1.0.2]
C2 xulSnowdale.esp [Version 1.0.4]
C3 FrostcragReborn-Snowdale patch.esp
++ GatesToAesgaardEp2-Snowdale patch.esp [Version 1.0]
C4 xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp [Version 1.12]
C5 MMMDungeons-CliffsOfAnvil patch.esp [Version 1.0]
C6 xulSilverfishRiverValley.esp [Version 1.0.2]
++ Lost Spires + Silverfish River Patch.esp [Version 1.0]
C7 xulJerallGlacier.esp [Version 1.0.0]
++ GatesToAesgaardEp1-JerallGlacier patch.esp [Version 1.0]
C8 AyleidRuinsixpanded-JerallGlacier patch.esp [Version 1.0]
C9 xulTheEasternPeaks.esp [Version 1.0]
++ NRB4+UL-II Patch.esp [Version 5.0.2]
CA KragenirsDeathQuest-UniqueLandscapes Merged patch.esp [Version 2.0]
CB OblivionCollectibleCards-UniqueLandscapes Merged patch.esp [Version 1.0]
CC BravilSeaDomes.esp
CD bartholm.esp
CE Frostcrag Village.esp [Version 1.0.7]
++ DLCFrostcrag Reborn - Frostcrag Village Patch.esp [Version 1.4.7]
++ Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp
CF Auto Update Leveled Items And Spells.esp [Version 1.2.5]
D0 Better Dungeons.esp
D1 HUD Status Bars.esp [Version 5.3]
D2 EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp
D3 GodStatues.esp
D4 GodStatues KOTN Edition.esp
++ Improved Fires and Flames - Increased Sound.esp
D5 Jerall View Inn upgrade.esp
D6 OriginalLeatherSI.esp
D7 P1DkeyChain.esp [Version 5.00]
D8 StarX Vampire Deaths.esp
++ UNKNOWNYMOUS Social NPCs.esp
D9 Werewolf-Legends.esp
DA Alternative Beginnings.esp [Version 1.3]
DB StarX Vanilla Vampires Revised.esp
DC RefScope.esp [Version 2.1.2]
DD MidasSpells.esp
DE RshAlchemy.esp
DF RenGuardOverhaul.esp
E0 Enhanced Grabbing.esp [Version 0.5]
E1 BFG's Enhanced Armory.esp
++ Let There Be Darkness - Cyrodiil + SI.esp
++ Let There Be Darkness - Knights.esp
++ Let There Be Darkness - Mehrunes Razor.esp
++ Let There Be Darkness - Thieves Den.esp
** Let There Be Darkness - OOO.esp
++ Let There Be Darkness - Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
** Let There Be Darkness - Curse of Hircine.esp
** Let There Be Darkness - Glenvar Castle.esp
** Let There Be Darkness - The Elder Council.esp
** Let There Be Darkness - Thievery.esp
** Let There Be Darkness - VH Bloodlines.esp
++ Let There Be Darkness - Lost Spires.esp
++ Let There Be Darkness - Elsweyr.esp
++ Let There Be Darkness - UL Colovian Highlands.esp
++ Let There Be Darkness - UL Lost Coast.esp
++ Let There Be Darkness - UL Brena.esp
++ Let There Be Darkness - UL Blackwood Forest.esp
** Let There Be Darkness - Nacosto.esp
++ Let There Be Darkness - Heart Of the Dead.esp
** Let There Be Darkness - Hoarfrost Castle.esp
** Cava Obscura - Cyrodiil.esp
** Cava Obscura - SI.esp
** Cava Obscura - Filter Patch For Mods.esp
E2 X.Races.Comp.esp
E3 1em_Vilja.esp [Version 4.04]
E4 bgBalancingEVCore.esp [Version 10.52EV-D]
++ EVE_KhajiitFix.esp
E5 bgMagicEV.esp [Version 1.7EV]
E6 bgMagicBonus.esp [Version 1.7EV]
++ bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp [Version 1.68EV]
++ bgMagicAlchemy.esp [Version 1.57]
++ bgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.esp [Version 1.68UV]
** bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, TNR Merge.esp [Version 10.0EV-D]
** bgBalancingOptionalNPCDiversityKvatchRebuilt, for Wrye Bash.esp [Version 9.0EV-D]
E7 bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp [Version 10.51EV-D]
++ bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp [Version 10.0EV-D1.62EV]
** bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversityLAME.esp [Version 10.5EV-D]
E8 bgIntegrationEV.esp [Version 1.0b]
++ Silverfish&bgIntegrationPatch.esp
E9 Better Cities Full - B&M Edition.esp [Version 5.1.7]
EA Better Imperial City.esp [Version 5.1.8]
++ Better Cities B&M - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp [Version 4.9.5]
EB Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp [Version 5.1.0]
++ Better Cities CHORROL - Werewolf.esp
++ Better Cities BRUMA - Werewolf.esp
EC Better Clocks-Better Cities IC Light Overhaul.esp
ED Better Clocks for Better Cities 2_0.esp
EE Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp [Version 5.0.0]
++ Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp [Version 5.1.0]
++ Better Cities - Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.esp [Version 4.8.1]
EF TheOubliette.esp
++ kuerteeDetectLifeEffect.esp
F0 kuerteeNightEyeShader.esp
++ NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp
F1 OBGE.esp [Version 0.42]
F2 OBGEv3.1_CommonComponents.esp
F3 Frostmourne2h_no_enchant.esp
F4 AGC-TARDISv5plgn.esp
F5 racy.esp
** All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp [Version 1.3]
F6 Streamline 3.1.esp
F7 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

» Thu May 03, 2012 8:57 pm

Unfortunately, with that many mods it could be difficult to isolate exactly what the problem is. But a few common causes come to mind as potential reasons:

The fact that you're getting some Missing Meshes with things that are supposed to be in the Oblivion - Meshes BSA means that something's not installed correctly. It's likely you have a mod that is redirecting from Oblivion - Meshes to a different location, but for some reason the game cannot find the meshes it is trying to redirect to. An example of this would be if the additional meshes that come with the Unofficial Oblivion/SI Patches are not installed properly. This can actually cause the game to crash if enough meshes (or just the right ones) are missing.
You could have a direct mod conflict - two mods that are trying to make mutually exclusive changes near The Missing Pauldron. This is unlikely to cause a crash since the later-loading mod should simply override the earlier-loading mod, but it can. A typical scenario: an earlier-loading mod has a script that is NOT overridden, but that script depends on a change that is overridden.
Remnants of an uninstalled mod that affected The Missing Pauldron cell could theoretically cause crashes.
Among other problems, long-running Oblivion games can run into what some people call the "Cell Nuke" bug. Essentially, this means that certain areas of the game cannot load without crashing, no matter what you do. The cell affected is random but usually is in a more complex area (i.e. an area with lots of buildings and/or active NPCs). It can even affect cells that previously loaded without issue. Typically, this will only affect games that have at least 300 or so hours of playtime, and often players can get to 1000 or more without having the issue.
Other save game corruption issues could also cause this problem.

Suggestions:

I would definitely try to determine what's causing the Missing Meshes issue first. That issue may be unrelated, but it's also possible it's at the root of the problem you're experiencing. You can target one of the missing meshes with the console to help you identify which mod is calling it. Chances are it's not in Oblivion - Meshes, but instead from another mod.
Try disabling several (20-30) mods at a time, in batches, and see if you're able to start approaching The Missing Pauldron. If so, then the culprit - or, at least, one of the culprits - is in the batch of mods you just disabled. You can work from there to determine the one or two causing the problem.
Try loading a much earlier saved game, or even create a completely new character, and see if you can approach The Missing Pauldron without crashing. If you are able to, then save game corruption is a likely (but not the only possible) culprit. If you are unable to, then a mod conflict, or a bad mod install, is the likely problem. (You can use the console command coc SENSBlissEntrance to get there quickly.)

I'm sure there's other things you could try, but they don't come to mind at the moment. Hopefully others will have some ideas as well.

» Thu May 03, 2012 9:06 pm

I remember having an issue with crashes in New Sheoth outside one of the smithies a while back. I went on a mad bug hunt for a while, and it turned out that the issue was a broken lighting script for inside the store, and whenever I approached a door, the game promptly crashed. It sounds like your son's game might have this same problem.

The issue is with the SEDoorLightBeamScript in in All Natural - SI. In vanilla, the script has seven references. All Natural removes one of them, bringing the total number of references down to six, but somehow the game still expects seven, so it crashes. Back in the day, I fixed it by simply deleting the offending script from All Natural - SI.esp with TES4Edit, but it has since been fixed in subsequent versions of All Natural.

The easiest solution would therefore be to just update All Natural, and hope for the best. Good luck!

» Thu May 03, 2012 8:37 pm

Thanks guys, I'll be trying to fix it this weekend...wish me luck.

» Thu May 03, 2012 6:51 pm

I'd also make sure your Data folder hasn't exceeded the 400 file limit. ESM+ESP+BSA cannot go past that number of files or you'll start getting random junk disappearing, and possible CTDs.

The issue with the script in AN-SI was because the file had the reference edited out in TES4Edit and Brumbek didn't realize you still had to recompile it. That was perhaps the easiest bugfix of all time for All Natural