Maybe you shouldn't have brought it into the thread in the first place? That's how the arguments start. There's another entire forum for the discussion of what is and isn't Fallout Series relevant.

I can see that it's not a great Fallout game, yet it's still my favourite of the series.

And I've always loved Fallout.

You're not crazy -- in good company, I'd say, instead.

Not crazy, by any means. Fallout 3 is the first game I`ve EVER played. I think it`s spoiled me for any other game. I`ve played several and none can compare, not even New Vegas. The scope of the game dwarfs any thing else. It`s not perfect, but nothing is. People will always find something to piss and moan about. plus, I believe that the quantum upgrade in graphics and playability puts Fallout 3 way above Fallout 1 & 2 no matter what some say. Just my opinion tho.

People (like me) can love a game like Fallout 3 and still note some of it's weaknesses. (like the realism of how a 19 year old right out of a vault with only BB gun training, could kill armies of Super Mutants, and well trained and equipped Talons or Enclave soldiers; or some of the dumb dialog options).

I have read professional reviewers really trash Fallout 3 however -- with some inappropriate language and personnel comments too. But that may be because of just wanting the game to be they way they thing games should be. Or maybe because there are ulterior motives.

There are some that criticize the game because it's apparently not like the previous Fallout games (I haven't played those, so I wouldn't know). Again because they want the game to be something it's not. Very similar, I think, to Morrowind players that hate Oblivion because it's not Morrowind with add ons.

I love Fallout 3, and I don't think I'm crazy (at least not crazy for loving Fallout 3). I love Oblivion even more than Fallout 3, and it seems I criticize Oblivion even more that Fallout 3 (is that crazy?)

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if this makes us crazy, [censored] it, im insane!

We all go a little crazy sometimes... :shifty:

If Fallout 3 was called "Fallout: Capital Wasteland" instead, I probably would have enjoyed it more. The lack of any references or story progression to Fallout 1 or 2 (not even a single reference to the Vault Dweller or Chosen One!) really irked me.

FO3 the best game I've ever played.

The criticism is motivated to a large extent by lovers of the original series who may view it as unauthentic. But FNV has also been unfairly critcised by FO3 fans who are looking for exactly the same experience.

I find it a bit like the way communists and anarchists hate each other.

No you are not crazy, I too love the game Fallout3 for itself ... and love it for the improvements built on the early Fallouts.

It's true as Lt Andronicus implied, that there is a big focus on game-world, it's truly massive in Fallout3 and crammed with content, but the plots and spoken world are well up-to-standard and excel in areas.

As for the story in Fallout3, I did not find it failing, the individual quests in particular, storylines cannot be faulted, a few may not be of your choice but that comes down to preference.

Quote "A lot of people who complain bitterly about aspects of F3 still love the game - but they hate that it could be much better."

Well that is their opinion of a few, but my opinion is that it already is so much better.

Sometimes I do "pass" on the odd quest that I do not fancy doing, other might, it's a matter of taste, but that does not mean that Fallout3 "could be better" in that sense, on the contrary, Fallout3 caters to all tastes ... apart from the very few.

Speaking as one of those so-called most die hard fans. I just couldn't wait for more "Fallout" after Fallout2, but now with Fallout3 I am overjoyed on what a fantastic build it is on the previous (F2). Can Fallout3 be further tweaked even closer to perfection, nothing is total perfection so of course, everything can be further tweaked closer to perfection ... as Fallout3 did.

As for Fallout3's writing, it was on a par with everything that I have seen before, and there are many ways to say something, it's a matter preference and the writing was entirely appropriate for the game, it had humour of course and all that was necessary for entertainment, and it's not as though we are play-writers, script-writers or writers of novels and classics here, we just want to enjoy a game. Bethesda's Morrowind was a classic example of in-depth great writing and I'm quite happy with their writing of Fallout3.

Who would complain of the writing of quests such as these two examples with dialogue to match.

Tenpenny Tower was quite involved with plenty of judgement calls, no simple answer, ping-pong back and forth here and there, a small game in itself with many possible outcomes. Action and dialogue.

Another one is Deliver a letter to Arup, that can widen out to a very involved small-game in itself, pretty good dialogue when interfacing with the NPCs, and again plenty of judgement calls, no one simple answer, ping-pong back and forth here and there, many possible outcomes. Action and dialogue.

Twisted story and plots, try the quests maybe, my view is that if you pick and choose the ones that you fancy, you should be well satisfied.

Were there holes in the main quest that you could walk through, not really in my view. Because of the open-play non linear nature of the game, the main quest was not strictly linear, for instance Moriarty could give you the next stage in main-quest direction .. or as he said "good luck in doing it yourself" (words to that effect), which I did as I didn't bother starting doing the main quest, but chose to explore, getting into all kinds of scraqes and sorting out various locations that I came across, eventually sorted out a location that completed part of the main quest. Is that a main quest hole, not in my view. Some parts do have a pre requirements though. There was nothing that spoilt my enjoyment, but actually added to it, wow.

Sidonzo, no you are not crazy, it's a fantastic Fallout sequel.

Yes. It can't love you back

:fallout: bethesda made fallout their own, and it was smashing success, as far as the story goes, FO3 had all the elements of a good story actually implemented into the game, suspense, drama, action, etc. new vegas story wasn't that great , what was great about it? that you got to see end game slides that said, this faction went on to do this or that etc, big deal, there isn't any drama, suspense or action until the end of the game at the dam and you don't get to see any in game changes of your actions.

(You know, you should never be ashamed of any of the fallout games you play, any of them, especially Fallout 3. They are all equally fun to play, and equally enjoyable, and anyone who says different is just full of hot air*(* burned game not included). :fallout:

No sir your perfectly sane. I myself love the game too.

Yes.

You are crazy.

Wanna bunk up in my cell room?

At night we place bets on which moon will come up first.




P.S.
Bring socks. Really good socks.

rofl. Did you escape??yet.

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I love FO3. I loved the original Fallouts too.

I can't express how much enjoyment I've had cavorting around the wasteland with FWE, MMM, and Amy Wong mods. Sometimes I have to stop because it is too much fun. Unfortunately, I know it will come to an end soon because I am at level 18. There is nothing left to do at level 20 except to start the main quest. NV was open as an option, but I read complaints that spawns are predictable, the world is flat and empty, and the game is replete with fetch quests. My main problem with this is the flat part. If there are no valleys and hills and rocks to take cover behind then what is there to the combat? I hope this isn't so, otherwise I will just begin a new character in FO3 and fiddle with White Label FO1 at the same time.

No, it's not flat. There are just as many rocks, valleys and mountain ranges as FO3. And there's a lot less fetch quests than Fallout 3 had.

Spawns are somewhat predictible, but give it time and there'll be mods for that,

The invisible walls kinda make those walls kinda useless though.

People who hate Fallout don't know what a good game is.

No your not wrong for loving it (actually I love all Bethesda games...morrowind,oblivion,etc...). Some people just gonna complain about little things, the more we move in the future and games get realer and more visual realistic, people still gone complain and find something to cry about. This is a awesome game ,great replay value. The worst thing to kill intrest in a game is compare it to something else instead of accepting it as it's own. like people do with Fallout: New vegas or Mass Effect, OR Oblivion....diferent time different game. You can't expect magic in Fallout 3 but neither should you expect guns in Oblivion.....................Fallout 3... enjoy it, love it ...I know I do

It's flat as in nothing goes on. There are almost no valleys and the invisible walls thing makes getting halfway up a mountain impossible.

Fallout 3 had two fetch quests, the one where you help 3 Dog get that dish on the Washington Memorial and Blood ties which


Both of them felt very rewarding and interesting. Not trying to start an arguement but in New Vegas it was 'Bring this thing to this person, now go back to that person and get your pay. Now go disable this thing, now go disable that thing...' there weren't even enemies or supprises at those places or in between. It was just go here do this come back. I find that far from fun or better than F3 missions. Again not trying to start an arguement.

P.S. You are not crazy for loving Fallout 3, quite the opposite actually.

Edit: Plus enemies spawn in a ten foot area and ALWAYS SPAWN THERE!!!!!!!

It annoyed me to no end when I had to fight the same scorpion or molerat in the exact smae place each playthrough.

And yet you are. What with all the New Vegas bickering... If you don't want to argue, don't post stuff that easily starts/feeds and argument.