'Create a god'

Post » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:05 am

Right hello again dear followers of the lore forum it is me again :P sorry to create a whole new post for this but I felt It could lead to interesting answers and speculation I didn't want to 'clutter' my other post with. That said lets begin shall we.

If nirns gods are so shaped by mortal beliefs and it is possible for a mortal to reach god hood ala talos then What's to stop a large group of people (the more the merrier) from appointing some random chap as the head of their order worshipping him/her as a god thus bestowing on him living god hood? Perhaps there are rules I am overlooking here? But surely if a book was written copied and given to every member of this religion with a set of rules in it that must be absolutely believed in I.e 1)said appointed man/women has absolute power over Nirn. 2) he/she knows all blah blah blah with what ever other tenants you would wish your new god to have. Now remember each member believes in all these tenants 100% now would that be enough to bestow said power/ability to the man or woman in question or is there more to it then pure belief and worship?

Thanks for any replies and I hope my point is understood :)
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Post » Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:44 pm

From a real world sociological standpoint, what you are describing is what often happens in real world religion. When people come together to perform rituals, they create additional energy, which is then focused on a symbol. The leader of this ritual is then able to use this focus to achieve ends that would have been otherwise to difficult, either for an individual or a group of individuals that are not engaged in solidarity producing rituals. From this standpoint, the TES version of this does not appear to different than those IRL. That is, when individuals form a ritual group, they create additional energy that is then focused on a symbol and used for a purpose, though in this case the symbol will be using the energy for their own ends (Collins, A Guide to Non-Obvious Sociology).

With this in mind, it does not appear that worship bestows godhood, but rather grants additional energy to the focus of the ritual, in this case the God. The energy does not "create" the god, but rather bestows upon them a greater degree of power.

So in short, I do not believe that ritual worship can create a God, but it can provide a large source of energy by which an individual can further their own aims and exercise a greater degree of power.

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Post » Fri Nov 01, 2013 12:12 am

Ah ok so basically a large group would not create a god so say but perhaps bestow the person that is being worshipped with power? So a Mage would become extremely powerful? Makes sense I just wondered how much personal belief shapes the world and what the limits of its application where. I.e could they create a living god out of a mortal that didn't sacrifice him/herself I the making of Nirn etc.

Also an unrelated question if the deadra and et aeda are so different how is it that one can take armour weapons etc from Nirn to a realm of oblivion? Seeing as everything on Nirn from the mountains to the grains of sand are basically very large or very small pieces of aedra why do they allow it to be taken outside of Nirn with the very real possibility that it will never return I.e the hero/traveller dies in that realm of oblivion. Are mortal bodies sent back to Nirn after death or basically left where they lie till they decompose?.

Sorry for the questions just little things like this make the lore and story so rich and interesting :)
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