Hey!

I've got this huge Load Order and I wanted to drop it here for your consideration. Please let me know if anything jumps out at you, incompatibility-wise. I do get the occasional CTD, but I still haven't ruled out memory overload yet.

00  Oblivion.esm01  You Are Here.esm02  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 0.9.9]03  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]04  Qarls_Harvest.esm05  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]06  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]07  Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]08  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]09  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]0A  Artifacts.esm  [Version 1.1]0B  Better Cities Resources.esm0C  Progress.esm  [Version 2.2]0D  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.5]0E  UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp  [Version 1.0.0]0F  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp10  DLCShiveringIsles.esp11  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]12  SM Plugin Refurbish - SI.esp  [Version 1.30]13  Better Cities .esp14  LoadingScreens.esp15  LoadingScreensAddOn.esp16  LoadingScreensSI.esp17  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 0.9.9]18  All Natural.esp  [Version 0.9.9]19  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  All Natural - Enhanced Weather.esp  [Version Final]1A  phinix-waterfix.esp++  Symphony of Violence.esp1B  AmbientTownSounds.esp1C  MIS Low Wind.esp1D  MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp1E  Atmospheric Oblivion.esp++  Diverse Voices.esp++  Hear-Me-Not.esp1F  Silent Player Voice.esp20  Rainbows.esp21  WindowLightingSystem.esp22  AmbientDungeons.esp  [Version 1.3]23  300_Lore_Dialogue_Updated.esp24  Book Jackets Oblivion.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.78]25  Qarls_Harvest.esp++  VA_BetterGold.esp26  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 3.4.3]27  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.4]28  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.0.2]29  DLCHorseArmor.esp2A  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]2B  SM Plugin Refurbish - HorseArmor.esp  [Version 1.11]2C  DLCOrrery.esp2D  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]2E  SM Plugin Refurbish - Orrery.esp  [Version 1.11]2F  DLCVileLair.esp30  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]31  SM Plugin Refurbish - VileLair.esp  [Version 1.21]32  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp33  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]34  SM Plugin Refurbish - MehrunesRazor.esp  [Version 1.30]35  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]36  Book Jackets DLC.esp++  GrimbotsSpellTomes.esp++  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp++  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp++  CSR - Fine Iron.esp++  CSR - Golden Saint.esp37  MerryBellInn.esp38  XSPipeMod.esp  [Version 1.2]**  Armamentium female.esp39  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]3A  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]3B  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]++  Cobl Tweaks.esp  [Version 1.44]3C  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]++  OOO-Water_Weeds.esp  [Version 1.33]++  OOO-DLT_Remover.esp  [Version 1.33]3D  RealitySpectreStars2HeavenBetterPotionsOOOEffects.esp3E  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]3F  OBSE-Storms & Sound SI.esp40  Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]41  Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]42  Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]43  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]44  Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Roads.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Swarms.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Slimes.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Beholdens.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Spawn Rates - Reduced.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]45  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]46  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]47  Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]48  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Friendlier Factions OOO.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]49  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]4A  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot G&GD.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]4B  TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp  [Version 1.39c]4C  TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp  [Version 1.39c]4D  ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp  [Version 1.39c]++  ShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions4MMM.esp  [Version 1.39c]++  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]++  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]4E  FineWeapons for OOO.esp4F  Full Harvest.esp  [Version 1.0]50  RustyItems for OOO.esp51  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]++  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer for OOO.esp++  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4MMM.esp52  Lock Bash Omega.esp  [Version 1.5]53  Artifacts.esp  [Version 1.1]++  Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp  [Version 1.0]54  BHC_Expanded.esp  [Version 1.2]55  CDEP-UnderpallCave.esp56  PinePeakLodge.esp57  SingingStablehandInn.esp58  SleepyCatInn.esp59  Sylar_INNMergedCyrodillInnsRevised.esp5A  The Ayleid Steps.esp  [Version 3.3.2]5B  WellDiver.esp5C  Cliff_RankDependantArenaSpectators.esp  [Version 1.0]5D  MTCExpandedVillages.esp5E  road+bridges.esp  [Version 4.5.5]5F  Feldscar.esp  [Version 1.0.2]60  Vergayun.esp  [Version 1.0.4]61  Faregyl.esp  [Version 1.0.10]62  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.4]63  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]64  xulTheHeath.esp65  XulEntiusGorge.esp66  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]67  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]68  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]69  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]6A  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.2]6B  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3]6C  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.2]6D  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]6E  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]6F  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]70  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]71  xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat.esp  [Version 1.3.2]72  xulPantherRiver.esp73  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]74  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.0.2]75  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.3]76  xulBlackwoodForest.esp77  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]78  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.1]79  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp7A  NRB4+UL-II Patch.esp  [Version 5.0.1]7B  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]7C  Buried_Treasure.esp7D  Cliff_BetterLetters.esp  [Version 1.1]7E  Cliff's Shacks Basemants-Radiant AI.esp  [Version 1.0]7F  DecoratorAssistant with OBSE v1.1.esp80  DropLitTorchOBSE.esp  [Version 2.4]81  EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp82  Oblivifall - Ambiant Dungeon SFX.esp  [Version 1.1]83  Oblivifall - Closing Time.esp  [Version 1.0]84  Oblivifall - Let's Talk!.esp  [Version 1.1]85  Oblivifall - New Classes.esp  [Version 1.0]86  Oblivifall - Something's Not Right.esp  [Version 1.0]87  ReneerNPCNameMod.esp88  Enhanced Vegetation [125%].esp89  Quest Award Leveller.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp8A  Alternate Start Revamped.esp8B  Syc_AtHomeAlchemy.esp8C  Lightweight Potions.esp  [Version 1.1]8D  StealthOverhaul.esp8E  StealthOverhaul, Cobl.esp  [Version 1.1]8F  Morrowind Lockpicking.esp90  RenGuardOverhaul.esp91  RenGuardOverhaulShiveringIsles.esp92  nGCD.esp93  nGCD Oghma Infinium.esp94  ProgressGSD.esp  [Version 2.0]95  ProgressMBSP.esp  [Version 2.0]96  ProgressSBSP.esp  [Version 1.0]97  ProgressRBSP.esp  [Version 1.0]98  ProgressRacial.esp99  ProgressArmorer.esp  [Version 1.0]9A  ProgressMercantile.esp  [Version 1.11]++  Item interchange - Placement.esp  [Version 0.78]++  Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk.esp  [Version 0.78]++  EVE_KhajiitFix.esp++  Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Slof's Oblivion Better Beasts.esp9B  EyelashesVannilaRaces.esp9C  bgBalancingEVCore.esp  [Version 10.52EV-D]9D  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]9E  bgMagicBonus.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]9F  bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp  [Version 1.68EV]A0  bgMagicAlchemy.esp  [Version 1.57]A1  bgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.esp  [Version 1.68UV]++  Stealthier Magic.espA2  bgBalancingOptionalLessHealth.esp  [Version 10.0UV-U]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalClasses.esp  [Version 9.0EV-U]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalFangs.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalMoreEyes.esp  [Version 10]A3  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, TNR Merge Better Redguards.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp  [Version 10.]A4  bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp  [Version 10.51EV-D]A5  bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D1.62EV]A6  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversityLAME.esp  [Version 10.5EV-D]A7  Anticipation Of Shadow.esp++  bgBalancingEVOptionalSeamReducerHighElfFix.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]A8  bgIntegrationEV.esp  [Version 0.993]A9  Better Cities Full.espAA  BCBravilFULL-Barrowfields patch.espAB  BCChorrol-ChorrolHinterland fix.espAC  BCCheydinhalFULL-CheydinhalFalls patch.espAD  BCSkingrad-SkingradOutskirts patch.espAE  Better Imperial City.espAF  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2]B0  Automatic Timescale.esp  [Version 1.0]B1  SPAWN.esp  [Version 0.3]B2  bgMagicLightningbolt.esp++  Life Detected - OMOD.espB3  CDM - Evening Lockdown.espB4  Vacuity.esp  [Version 0.2]B5  NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]B6  Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp  [Version 01]**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 0.9.9]B7  Bashed Patch - Crimson.espB8  Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esp  [Version 0.2]B9  Streamline 3.1.esp

I have TamrielTravellersItemsNPC.esp with both "Filter" and "NoMerge" - so it's not in the Bashed Patch and it's not activated. I'm not sure what's the deal with it.

For bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, TNR Merge Better Redguards.esp - I wasn't sure if this includes both the TNR and Better Redguards esp modifications or if either of those two ought to be loaded still.

Much obliged!

cc

It is tagged filter and NoMerge because its changes should only be imported, and it should not be active. Its shows up in the leveling section of the bashed patch. It is fine.

The RBP plugin includes both. If you look at the naming scheme for its other plugins, not to mention the "Merge", that should be apparent... Do not take this harshly, but think a little more about it first. You can check the changes in TES4Edit, and do a number of other things without asking every little question here. Did you test this setup incrementally? It's huge...

++ MMM-Cobl.esp [Version 1.69] <-- Put off until next COBL/MMM/UFCOM update

42 Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp [Version 3.7b3p3] <-- drop this (get the OBSE rewrite of OOO's G&G from the "Downloading Mods" page of TESIV:POSItive, if you want a more advanced version)

++ Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3] <-- drop this until next MMM release

4A Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3] <-- update this

++ Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot G&GD.esp [Version 3.7b3p3] <-- use the OOO loot version

You should install OMOBS, since you are using the UOP 3.2.5 mod. Grab the link from the "Downloading Mods" page at TESIV:POSItive.

Hey!

Thanks for the reply!

I try not to ask everything, I really do. But I've been fiddling with mods and trying to install everything, BAIN everything, update everything for over a month now and I'm getting quite fed up with it. I want to play the game for a change. Perhaps I ought to do it the way you said, and start smaller and add mods one at a time. There's a lot of them though that are better off being installed on a fresh character (like MMM and OOO and RBP) - which are the bulk of my setup anyway.

How do you know all this stuff? I can't keep up with the updates and all that, and I visit these forums daily. It's nice to see someone still manages to stay on top of it all though.

I've got a few questions for you - I've been to TESIV:POSITIVE and looked through the downloads section. You've got links to the USIP MOBS and UOMP MOBS that go to Fran's 4.5b patches on TesNexus. My question is if those files are only for users of his mod, or those using FCOM, or if they work for everyone else. It made me wonder because there is a MOBS version of the UOP for everyone, but only those for the USIP or the UOMP (as far as I know).

I'll add your suggestions and see if that helps. Thanks again!

cc

The most updated http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=30142. The one on the Frans patches pages is out of date (based on UOP 320), far as I know there is no need for updates to the USIP or UOMP with MOBS (which are found on the Frans Patches Nexus page).

Yes a large load order is a lot of work - huh?

My own story is, I think, typical. I wanted to play the bestest game ever and was mod greedy. Instead of testing each small mod I thought I had to have them all.

So not the case. What I ended up doing was making it so that I had all that to test for working AT ONCE - made months of work for myself and played two characters before giving up and letting them go and starting over again. I still cycle mods in and out but other than updates I only try and tackle like two new mods at a time - and preferably if the modder making them is very involved still in the process.

If playing FCOM - really the only thing you need working is basic FCOM - and Race Balancing (maybe LAME if that too). Pretty much all the rest can be added as you go.

Think of it like this - the more you add the more you need to test, update, retest, disable and re-enable when finding issues. It adds up to hours and while the ideal immersive game from the beginning sounds amazing - the only way your going to truly get the well oiled game going is by knowing each mod, what it does, a bit of that in the CS, in tes4edit, and in relation to other mods. If you add all at once then just keep adding to that time to learn it all.

So think about your load order and think - hmmm does this really need to there from the very beginning? What jumps out at me is Inns of Cyrodiil. Not a harmful mod ... but needed? Are you really gonna play Knights and SI?

Even things like city overhauls BC or OC are not needed at the very beginning. they can be added later. Your load order is much like mine and like everyone around here. Even getting it like others with the most popular - this game is finicky and will give you hassles.

FCOM uses OMOBS, so it is still best to use the regular UOP and OMOBS stand alone. All non-Fran users should use the "_FCOM" version. Actually, only users using the Fran SI option need that one. I explained that in the guide though... Where did you see the link that did not have this explanation? Oh, I'll go check the Downloading Mods page, thanks.


Edit: I thought I had tagged it with someting

Thanks for that!



Yeah, I saw that note. But I'm not using FCOM, that's why I was confused.

cc

It says in any case where not using Fran SI. There is no reference to FCOM in the notes...

It's under the "FCOM" entry. We're talking about [src="http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/downloadmods"]thisp/url] page, right?

And I found out while I had the ++ Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot G&GD.esp [Version 3.7b3p3] instead of the OOO one. I had installed MMM before OOO and the script requires the installation to happen the other way around.

cc

There is already a note that says which version to download (see my last two posts), and the Installation guides on TESIV:POSItive (and "My BAIN Package List") puts MMM after OOO in the install order. That makes sense though, as you are installing support for another mod, the mod being supported should probably be installed beforehand.

Hey there!

For some reason I can't see the magical projectiles. I'm not sure why - the spells get cast and the effect is visible on the target, but no fireball in the air, no lightning... Not sure what's causing it. My load order isn't the one in the first post, but rather this one:


I should mention that I'm running the game on Bloom, not HDR and this happened before LAME too. Any ideas?

Thanks!

cc

This sounds like a good case for using TES4View. Get the FormID of the warped spells and see what shows up. I have not seen or heard of this before, but it does not sound that crazy.