scandinavian dwaves... just reminds me of santas little helpers! (santa being from lapland of course)

Just had a thought that perhaps the magazine is alluding to mounted crossbows/ballistas?? tho mounted/fixed weapons would be a first for beth and wouldn't feel quite right IMHO

A one handed repeating crossbow would rock,

Because of this, one of my first couple characters is going to be a crossbow wielding assassin. :rock:

It's not that unexpected if crossbows are in. Maybe even throwing weapons? Think of it a moment. Under the 1 handed sword skill there's like 10-15 perks that govern swords, axes and maces. There's supposedly around the same number of perks for every skill. What would you put in Marksman really? Specialization perks for different kind of marksman weapons obviously!

I don't get that either. the vikings and celts were never big on bows.

It seems logical that such fighters and hunters would actually prefer a crossbow. A crossbow is hardly even that complicated of a device, it's not exactly "high-tech" and they've been around since roman times.

It's not! We know what crossbows are in Poland and we have a word for it. So just deal with it that there will be crossbows in the game and don't whine that: "You don't like crossbows" or "I don't trust the magazine". You don't have to use them if you don't want to.

But nothing can be linked to the magazine to prove this?

The fu... fudgen magazine proves it. \m/ O_O \m/

This is different than CD-Action? Do you have a quote from this other magazine?

Well it's not the fact that people don't like them, it's the fact that it doesn't quite make sense to use crossbows in active combat unless it's a one shot wonder and then you have to switch weapons. Crossbows are difficult to set quickly and when someone is running at you with a claymore because you missed him or you didn't quite kill him, it's kind've hard to set again. With crossbows it's not a simple, pull the string back with your hand. You put it on the ground and hold it with your feet and you pull with all your might to reset it. It requires you be stationary.

You mean "that is different" and not "this is different."

And archery isn't quite a simple as it is in elder scrolls either. You would never, under any circumstance be able to take on a target within 5 meters of you with a bow in hand, yet I do it all the time in Oblivion.

I highly doubt Bethesda would be going with that approach.

Todd Howard has said that he wants Skyrim's features to benefit the gameplay. If crossbows were unmanageable and unfeasible in combat, Skyrim wouldn't have crossbows.


Pete just said on Twitter that the crossbows quote in the Polish magazine was a mistranslation or a wild guess.

Well, at first I thought we could end the whole crossbow debate now, but it seems we're not certain after all. If crossbows do appear, though, I hope they're implemented better than in Morrowind, where they always felt kind of half-hearted to me. They were basically the same as bows in terms of gameplay mechanics except you didn't need to hold down the attack button to get powwrful shots. Beyond that, the differences seemed to just be cosmetic, and the lack of options available just made them feel kind of pointless. About the only worth while thing they really added was that they provided modders with the necessary animations and mechanics to make custom crossbows. If they appear in Skyrim, since Bethesda seems to be training to make the weapon types each feel distinct, crossbows would have to be too, if they were used. Having them just be bows you hold differently just wouldn't cut it.



I fail to see how you can say crossbows don't fit the setting. Disregarding the fact that they've been in the series before. It's not like crossbows are a modern invention, these aren't guns we're talking about here, crossbows are pretty standard fair among Medieval weapons, and they've appeared in many psuedo-Medieval fantasy settings before, I don't see how they're out of place in such a setting at all. Now, that doesn't mean you have to want them, of course. But "They don't fit the setting" isn't really a valid argument against them here, I think.

And in any case, as has been said, just because the game takes place in Skyrim doesn't mean EVERYTHING has to be Viking themed. It may be the predominant theme, but other cultures in the setting should realistically be represented as well.

Yay for conflict resolution. Take that Poland, this is exactly why you were invaded first in WW2. Hitler was mad because he was misquoted in Pomylony Fanatyk Miesi?cznik (comiesi?czny). (Crazy Bigot Monthly, according to a translator site). /sarcasm

I could very see the crossbow be some one hit bow for warriors. Initiate combat with a ranged shot, eventually taking doing or severely wounding a single opponent, starting with an advantage and some time to think about your next move! (reloading crossbow being most of the time out of the question at this time)

http://twitter.com/#!/DCDeacon/status/38358301892812800...

Well, I'd probably mostly use bows anyway --- and they're only leaving out crossbows to keep playing with a bow unique and interesting, if I'm not mistaken. Think that's been their justification for not including every weapon ever asked for on these forums.


edit: And this is why they should open their website with all the information available so far -- the correct information.

Well that's why they fixed archery where you won't be fighting people in 5 feet of you with a bow and you have to bash them to open a gap. But I just don't see how you would make a crossbow feasible to use in a fantasy without some kind've magical means like the dual wielding crossbows using demon magic like in diablo 3. But, that magic doesn't fit TES and thus crossbows just don't make sense hehe.



Well I wasn't saying that's how they should do it but that really is the only way to make it realistic, fantasy or not. Though, a one shot wonder with the crossbow at any given time could be interesting but otherwise, meh. Good thing Pete commented on that, puts me at ease.

Obviously you don't know why WWII started. It's all explained right http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kri4wsBImfU.

P.S Is anyone else having trouble loading videos on youtube? All I get is a black picture and the bar makes copies of the time tags as I run my mouse along the bar. I cleared my cookies and reinstalled adobe flash but it's still not working <_<

Except in Morrowind your character would be over pull the string back and reload the bow all in second while running...in any direction. It's not that they don't fit, they're not practical when we have bows already they are being revamped to be more precise firing your bow should have sense of precision and aim with patience. A bow and arrow can be fired and reloaded moving at a decent pace. No it shouldn't be as accurate but crossbows would require a full stop, draw the string, then place the bolt on the crossbow then fired.

Gotta love Pete the Machine Hines.

Lol for a second I thought I had somehow offended you. Then I went to the vid lol. I love those Hitler vids. I'm not having that problem but it was screwy last night for a while and it has been very slow lately.

Crossbows svck anyway.

Look at this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HagCuGXJgUs

I don't see how taking out crossbows makes bows anymore unique than they already are.

They don't have a simple-to-use alternative that has better piercing capabilities and is easier to conceal....

I'd like to have crossbows too, but I can see how they'd rather focus on making the core weapons feel good and fun to play with..... I'm actually mostly pro variety -- but I won't complain too much.