IS there any lore about crossbreeds, if there was any of them? I know that Bretons are crossbreeds, but what about other races, like orc and bosmer crossbreed, is it even possible?

http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/notesracial.shtml

something that has always struck me as odd about that book is that Orcs are more closely related to men and mer than are the Khajits and Argonians yet that makes it seem like its LESS likely for them to interbreed successfully....

Racial bias/intolerance/hatred etc..

Right....but that wouldn't actually change the fact that they would probably have a much easier time interbreeding than say, a cat-person or a lizard-person.

You forget Boethiah shoved Malacath up their asses.

Ah man. That sh*t's hilarious. Thank you, and I salute you, sir.

Well I wouldn't think it would be hard for a Khajiit-Man Crossbreed, considering the evidence in the Barenziah books. The Khajiits have the same process of birthing as us IIRC. Plus Agronak, the Grand Champion in Oblivion was an Orc-Man-Vampire crossbreed, if that counts. And then there was that son of the Dark Elf Empress, I can't remember the name. Then it was mentioned that the Helseth's father had some nordic blood in him. Well sorry about the vagueness. Need to brush up a little.

They're still just twisted former Aldmer. By that logic, I think you would have to also say that since Azura, another Daedra, cursed the Chimer making them the Dunmer, they would also have cross-breeding issues.

Are you saying that Azura shoved the Tribunal up the Chimer's asses???

(Sorry, couldn't resist.)

Elves would not have issues, breeding with other elves. While the Orsimer too a drastic change in built and appearance, The Dunmer only took a small appearance, the skin and eyes. Therefore while there may be a small complication with the Orsimer children the Dunmers would be perfectly fine crossbreed. Oh and another example of crossbreeds is the Reachman.

Sorry I was arguing with the wrong person, oops.

heh....in a convoluted way....sort of, lol.

But the Dunmer example was just another one of an angry Daedra transforming a race. In both cases, a former Aldmeri race (Orsimer and Chimer) who followed a different 'god' was transformed by a Daedra as a punishment.

I honestly think there would be a faaaaaar less difference between say, a typical man/mer and and orc than a typical man/mer and say, an Argonian.

Since my last comment was misinterpreted let me explain further. It isn't more difficult for Orcs to cross-breed with the other manish/merish races. The idea that it is stems from most of the races dislike of the Orcs in general (see The Pig Children etc.). And so this book tries to make the Orcs seem even more foreign and beast like by misrepresenting their ability to cross-breed with other races that would be more familiar to the reader.

Right, I saw where you were going with that but in something like a teaching book, like the Racial Physiology book (or whatever the thing is called, drawing a blank off the top of my head) it seems like they would more want to print the 'scientific' truth as opposed to more propaganda. And in there, it seriously questions whether or not Orcs could crossbreed while making it seem like Khajits or Argonians could...which seems like lunacy.

I think thats where the issue arrived.

Making it seem? Where?

the first 2 paragraphs of this:

http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/notesracial.shtml

there have been reports that Khajitti/Argonian crossbreed with men and mer have worked: "Khajiit differ from humans and elves not only their skeletal and dermal physiology -- the "fur" that covers their bodies -- but their metabolism and digestion as well. Argonians, like the dreugh, appear to be a semi-aquatic troglophile form of humans, though it is by no means clear whether the Argonians should be classified with dreugh, men, mer, or (in this author's opinion), certain tree-dwelling lizards in Black Marsh."

but yet no orcs? "The reproductive biology of orcs is at present not well understood....Certainly, there have been cases of intercourse between these "races," generally in the nature of [censored] or magickal seduction, but there have been no documented cases of pregnancy."

strikes me as very very odd since Orcs are nothing more than perversions of Aldmer while the beast races are.....well.......completely different altogether. (Unless you go with the Khajitti story of creation based on alterations to the Bosmer)

you're heavily mistaken. reread it again.

"Though there have been many reports throughout the Eras of children from these unions, as well as stories of unions with daedra, there have been no well documented offspring."

right, no well documented, but they acknowledge the fact that there likely have been some.

meanwhile they come right out and say NO reported from Orcs.....

thats where I get the odd feeling from.....

Also them classifying Orcs with Trolls, Goblins and the like.....Orcs imo would still be much closer to the old Aldmer than would the Argonians and Khajiit (barring their creation myth of course.) Those races would be ones closer to the Trolls and such imo.

NO, they're acknowledging the fact that there have been sixual unions, but no well documented results in offspring. it doesn't say it worked. in fact, the book states it likely can't (through natural methods, at least) because the tremendous differences of physiology between beast and mannish/merish races. this is very clear.

orcs aren't well understood either being a pariah culture in tamriel for a very long time. it's cultural, but we now know that's not true with the birth of agronak gro-malog. it's an outdated book largely as it might have been written pre-warp era.

Alright, I guess we were just interpreting what was written differently with the beast races. I get pretty testy when I have to defend my Orcs...It just didn't make much sense to me to have them classified with Trolls and Goblins when they were really just Aldmeri perversions much closer to the mer.

What else is there to interpret? This is written based on bio 1 stuff about the biological definition of species.

When I read the part about the Beast races I saw "Yes to relationships, yes to offspring but none well documented." When it appears now to actually be more "Yes to relationshis but none well documented, no to offspring." Simply a case of mistaken emphasis on the passage on my end....

In "http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Shivering:Fall_of_Vitharn" there's talk of a half-Argonian born to Count Csaran and an Argonian named Sheen-in-Glade, but he apparently disappeared from the Shivering Isles when he was 20.

Then again, crazy people don't make for the most reliable historians, but i'd like to think it's true. If it is true, it's most likely due to the divine intervention of Sheogorath, rather than any actual biological compatibility.

We know orcs can breed with men, and presumably with mer. What I'm really curious about is Khajit and Argonians. If the Khajit creation myth (specifically the relationship between Khajit and Bosmer) is true, one would presume that despite the considerable differences, interbreeding is possible, though I imagine it would be difficult to find willing test subjects. Still, successful breeding would lend credence to the theory that, in fact, the Khajit are another kind of elf.

The Argonians present a different situation. We know that some humans entertain the perverse notion of sixual relations between men and female Argonians (as in, The Lusty Argonian Maid), but it is unknown if the situation ever actually goes on. However, if the mythic assertion that the Hist are from a different contributory plane(t) than the Ehlnofey is, in fact, true; and Argonians do, in fact, stem from the Hist; then my hypothesis is that Human or Elf/Argonian pairings would not result in offspring.

Well Khajits can be of various "breeds", some of them can also be simillar looking to humans or Bosmers, so I think crossbreeding between Bosmer and Khajit is possible. And orcs, are jsut race of Aldmer, so they could easily breed with any mer, but they van't becouse of cultural differences