Why is it that my male protagonist gains 2 charisma when he wears a dress for women? Is this game a mostly LGBT setting like Dragon Age? Or are there exactly 50 % of LGBT versus straight NPC's and so that's why everyone gains +2 charisma no matter what kind of suit - dress they wear, crossdressing or not?

Wastelanders don't judge that sort of thing. Like the song says, "Anything goes".

I'm not judging sixual orientations here, I'm trying to understand the roleplay aspect that grants a 2 point bonus to charisma.

Considering that you can play as a female in this game, and that very few women actually wear dresses in the Commonwealth, I think it would turn some heads, justifying some sort of charismatic gain for women.

I don't think wearing a dress as a male character was fully fleshed out though. For instance, putting on a dress should change the Lady Killer perk to the Black Widow Perk, but also sporting a beard while wearing a dress should negate the effects of either perks and have a negative charisma impact.

My thoughts: Apocalyptic worlds seem to not have much variety when it comes to clothing. For role-playing sake, that's how I see it. [censored], I'd wear a dress if I had to, especially in a ruined world like Fallout.

You have the legs to pull it off.

I was going to make a post about cross dressing. Everytime I take loot off dead raiders who attack me, I swear they are male but when I take their loot/clothes they are all wearing bras.

Is everyone but me wearing bras in the waste land?

Why? Because clothes aren't unisix in FO4. The dress gives two CHA to the wearer, irregardless of gender. Same with Men's suits.

do you realize how inconvenient dresses in a world like that would be

You gotta go what you gotta go

Oh stop it. There are plenty of male garments that do the same thing and any female can wear those as well.

So don't wear the dress. Wear something else.

I have a male character that wears a wig and a sequin dress when he does construction I don't do it to be all LGBT correct, I do it 'cause it looks hilarious.

I'm not talking about sixual orientations, either. A nice dress is a nice dress, regardless of who is wearing it. Have we all forgotten Tabitha? What a hottie...

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First of all, I just want to point out how remarkable it is that you can cross dress at all. For the first time in a Bethesda game a dress is a dress, no matter who is wearing it. Likewise a suit remains a suit. No more magically morphing clothes based on gender.

As for a role-playing excuse for men getting the bonus for wearing a dress, that's easy. It's not viewed as crossdressing. What is considered women's clothing or men's clothing changes over time as society changes. An example that comes to mind is how high heels were once the height of men's fashion. Or there is how as recent as 60 years ago women wearing pants was frowned on.

In a post apocalyptic world resources become scarce. Clothing in general could have been hard to find. In which case a lot of old social norms could have been discarded as people becoming willing to wear whatever they could get their hands on. If all you could find was a dress, you wore a dress.

Eventually when things begin to settle and normalize, a lot of the old conventions would probably reassert themselves. However, the taboo or stigma of a guy wearing a dress might not have. A guy wearing a dress isn't cross dressing, he's just a guy in a dress.

Wow! That's actually a very wise. Thank you.

+1 ^

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But I don't face that question. I just wear a suit that gives me +3.

Perhaps you have far off relatives in Scotland hehe

Why? Because the item description of that piece of clothing just says "+2 CHA". Not "+2 CHA in such-and-such circumstances, +1 otherwise."

Just like some piece of armor has a value of 6, or that gun has a damage of 10.

Because it's a game and the equipment is defined by a simple set of variables.

In previous games, it would substitute a gender appropriate item. Like the mens pajamas were subbed if you tried to wear naughty nightware in New Vegas. It appears not the case in this game.

A male related item exists with the same stats in Charisma like the Pampadour Wig and some lounge wear both give 1 point in charisma. Use those. Or there may be a male item that gives two yet to be found.

I for one like the fact that an item stays the same no matter your gender. I always hated finding something that I thought looked cool only to have it morph into something completely different when my character equips it. As for a roleplaying reason why a dress would make a man more charismatic, like others have said their society is much different than ours. The dresses you find aren't made by the people of the wasteland, they're scavenged historical relics. Plus compared to the faded dirty and torn rags most people wear, something like a fully intact sparkling red sequin dress looks remarkable and unique. It could also be that people just find a man who's secure in his masculinity and sixuality to be charismatic and attractive. Anyway it makes as much sense as a hat giving you charisma or a lab coat raising your intelligence.

Really though, why do you care? There are plenty of typically male items that do the same thing, just equip those instead.

I like it. As much as i like that you can romance as many companions as you want without jealousy and drama. Bethesda just letting it be what it is deserves respect in my opinion. Its not about pleasing any community, its just letting it be up to the player what to do and wear. So i am grateful.

All I can say is Piper in the Red Sequin Dress, Patrolman Sunglasses, and Military Cap is smoldering hot.

Did anyone else think to take the ring off their dead wife in the vault? I did and gave it to Piper.

I know, I'm an old softy.

Took the ring off Nate, but I've just been carrying around both of them. (Not using any companions on this character, so no romance. Or playing dress-up.)

You cold as ice!