@Neokinesis

I think Nanosuit was built by a left brain guy like me and Raiden's Suit was designed by an artist like you. While they both encompass both functionality and aesthetics, both lean a little more to either one.

I appreciate the hopefully intentional use of the words 'build' for left brain and 'design' for right brain. Great way of thinking about it!

It reminds me of how I perceived Guss600's coincidental misspelling of the word 'suit' and subconsciously it transformed 'soft bodies' (real tech term) meaning in the sentence referenced earlier when I read his response to my Lara Marketing Gold novel. I gained a rather unintentional perspective on Lara's geometric assets.

There is a lot of personality flowing around this thread. I just wish there was more courage. Overall, I like it!

@neokinesis, Hi there, going to ask you all to get used to the miss spelling thing, for some reasom it just keeps on following me around, and i cant seem to shake it, im not too sure if its down to the left or right side of my brain, or down to the bit in the middle, you should perhaps ask Enfadel about his view on the fine line that I tread within my posts, he can explain that to you as he explains it in such a delicate way. lmao. but sorry to say, you did it again, I was just getting the grasp of your post 1 para at a time, with a short break between each, when looking down I see you mention Laura again, cut me some slack please,,,,, :-] ,, cheezy grin for Laura. Tmmorow I will consider the courage issue, but I would hate to fall of the fine line,

Whooa, they should lighten the background a bit, whit on black is very hard on the eyes. I had to paste your post in word to read them all.

My advise is wait and see, i enjoyed a lot of game that where not big award winner, and there are also big award winner game that svcks( ex halo ODST)

Almost all award are now somewhat biased, even metascore is all messed-up with fanboy who give 10 and haters who give 0.

What happens in case crysis 2 is not fun or moddable ? we will keep playing wars like most of us always did.

So here we go, i give crytek my own "julienjj E3 choice award" congrats !

I like the story going on Crysis 2 so far. But the awards being given away was weird.

Neokinesis & neogenesis? W3rd.

And most of the awards are biased. Chances are that the developers pay the company to award their game, as it will spark interest in gamers when they find a game with 200 awards.

@Enfadel I'm currently employed as a game dev as well. Yes, it's not a big company and I secondly admit it's only mobile games, but I follow industry news every day and I have an honours degree in computer science from the top math/eng university in my country. I also have experience with 3D engines and games.

Just because you're employed in the industry does not make your opinions infallible and immune to critique. I could point to people I see daily whom are developers as well that would make claims most gamers would see as ludicrous.

My frustrations lied in the scattered format of the article, not the content itself. My frustrations lie with the fact this article to Neo's summary of his article was thus: (please bare with me as we have no italics or the like yet)

"My point all along was that Crytek has not shown much innovation beyond creating an identity for CE3 to exist across the different platforms like Unreal did in the past. This is not a Game push as much as a new platform or tool which aligns with popular trends throughout game history."

I agree with this and it's quite straightforward.

"My second point, that Editors Choice awarded a game that made a larger leap in risking the relevance of reinventing the weaker parts of a fresh technology and the return of a struggling Eastern Market, proved by last years plethora of Gaming Reviews."

I'd say you have a knack for dancing around what you're trying to say Are you referring to
gamespot picking Kirby as the best of show? It should also be noted that the Eastern (Japanese) games were struggling in North America but still garnered substantial Japanese sales numbers.

"My third point, had Crytek aimed toward coupling 3D Vision and Motion Controls, maybe they would have taken the award by innovating beyond the calculated risk."

ffs I hit the submit button by accident

"My third point, had Crytek aimed toward coupling 3D Vision and Motion Controls, maybe they would have taken the award by innovating beyond the calculated risk."

I agree with this. However, I don't agree they SHOULD have taken the award merely for doing this. They did have a 3D stage demo, but obviously no motion controls which I'll make a blanket statement to say that most "hardcoe gamers" seem to shrug off.

But, if gamespot got a closed doors hands on in full 3D it would have very likely been impressive enough for them to pick Crysis 2 as, at very least, their top FPS game.

It's worth noting though that generally their pick of show is done by committee. There could be someone on their team who really just didn't care about Crysis 2 and refused to allow it to be pick of the show or top FPS. Maybe everyone at gamespot is a huge kirby fan (I know I am). It's really all speculation, but I'm force to agree that coupling 3D, as much as I despise it, would have likely added that "wow" factor.

I wish Crysis 2 would have motion controls for the Sony Move and Microsoft Kinect. That could be pretty sweet if done correctly. =)

The only innovation out of Crytek at E3 seemed to be the 3D. This should have warranted "best graphics", but many people simply hate 3D. And from what ive read, many review sites "aren't sold" on the console version of Crysis 2. Crytek hasn't made a successful game on the consoles yet, and it is a new engine, so review sites are going to be cautious about awarding a game that might backfire. Once or if Crytek proves that they can create a good console game, they will recieve more awards.

Many places are going to be skepticle about Crytek until they prove that they can create good games.

Wow, great write ups guys, I like to see solid opinions like these. Neokinesis and I just got back from Yosemite and we were wondering what was happening in the forums a couple of times. We actually took my laptop and had to walk like 50 feet from the cabin to steal the neighbors wi-fi so we could check the forums, it was pretty funny. I am super tired so I'm going to hit the rack, got programming class in the morning.

Here I am showing my son how to steal strangers WiFi.

http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/photo.php?pid=420745&id=100000000720049

@Enfadel, well, sure looks like you all had a great time, not suprised your beat, and i sure can see the li'l guy gunna be some kinda genius, hope ya didnt mind that i took the photo tour, and i saw some nice shots, I have one point though, as photography is my realm, did you, or the photogapher use the flash around anything to do with running water or while on the move, this freezes the moving parts of a photo and helps prevent blur! somtimes to the point where you can count each drop of water, rathere than see the blurred streaks across the picture, good times!!

@Weaver, though i bow to your expertise in the gaming sector, as i am a low grader in the field of education, I am however on the whole a people person, and always try to be ever the diplomat, so here goes, I saw some fairly interesting in depth but long winded banter passed between two firends specifically, not realy the best place for it here, but nevertheless, interesting and quite entertaining. I didnt expect to see anyone take it apart and anolyze it bit by bit and critisize with such a knowledgeable intent, I like to call that, >>Postering<<, I dont wish any bad feeling, rather that you might loosen up and enjoy the banter. Be Happy.

[quote]@Weaver, though i bow to your expertise in the gaming sector, as i am a low grader in the field of education, I am however on the whole a people person, and always try to be ever the diplomat, so here goes, I saw some fairly interesting in depth but long winded banter passed between two firends specifically, not realy the best place for it here, but nevertheless, interesting and quite entertaining. I didnt expect to see anyone take it apart and anolyze it bit by bit and critisize with such a knowledgeable intent, I like to call that, >>Postering<<, I dont wish any bad feeling, rather that you might loosen up and enjoy the banter. Be Happy. [/quote]
You're right, I should try to be happier!

Last night I was drinking and I just got back from watching not one but TWO Uwe Boll movies, so I wasn't in a very good mood

@Guss

Home run.

Lmao, Happy days, Weaver, Happy Days, !!! @Enfadel, you know i still want the full update on the visit you had with the Grown ups the other evening, how did that go lol,

[quote]Neokinesis & neogenesis?[\quote]
Replication is the fondest form of flattery...

@neokinesis, without intending to sound like i am flattering, when is the talk on courage due,

@Weaver I thought it was obvious that I am not an editor and my brain spill (first post) was written with a free verse format.

[quote]"My point all along was that Crytek has not shown much innovation beyond creating an identity for CE3 to exist across the different platforms like Unreal did in the past. This is not a Game push as much as a new platform or tool which aligns with popular trends throughout game history."~neokinesis
I agree with this and it's quite straightforward.[/quote]

Sounds good to me.

[quote]"My second point, that Editors Choice awarded a game that made a larger leap in risking the relevance of reinventing the weaker parts of a fresh technology and the return of a struggling Eastern Market, proved by last years plethora of Gaming Reviews."~neokinesis
I'd say you have a knack for dancing around what you're trying to say Are you referring to gamespot picking Kirby as the best of show? It should also be noted that the Eastern (Japanese) games were struggling in North America but still garnered substantial Japanese sales numbers.[/quote]

I was pointing out both things:
How (A) last year was described by many reputable editorial and industry anolysts as a recessive year for the Eastern Market where Japanese Game Developers (outside of Nintendo) saw a substantial loss.
AND
How (B) Kirby Epic Yarn sums up the efforts of last year’s underdog pulling ahead Japanese Influenced Games up across the board as best of’s and strong contenders.

[quote]" My third point, had Crytek aimed toward coupling 3D Vision and Motion Controls, maybe they would have taken the award by innovating beyond the calculated risk."~neokinesis
I agree with this. However, I don't agree they SHOULD have taken the award merely for doing this. [/quote]

I don’t remember saying without any certainty that they ‘should’ get the award. I was comparing the measurable marketing advantages for each strategy and pointing out how, in my eyes, it would have made Crytek’s Crysis 2 a better contender had they included motion controls. There were lots of 3D games shown and even more that are already out.

[quote] But, if gamespot got a closed doors hands on in full 3D it would have very likely been impressive enough for them to pick Crysis 2 as, at very least, their top FPS game.[/quote]

I believe I covered loosely why EA’s DeadSpace2 could have won beyond, obviously being a great game. If you may have overlooked it, I mentioned not being a conspiracy theorist but observed that it was made at EA Redwood Shores, the EA Headquarters.

Separately, I know quite a bit about that particular location, having worked there for a number of years. Many of my oldest industry friends were met through their campus and work(ed) on the DeadSpace franchise. I have a vested interest in what EA sought out to do with that game because it conquered its market by raising the bar for what to expect from an EA game and put Visceral on the map. EA explored during a time that was much riskier. It was something the company, the employees, and the players could be proud of. DeadSpace is more than a buzz word, for EA it at one time was their lifeline.

That is an awesome franchise and not only because both the main character and the first mini-boss in DeadSpace Extraction share my name. ;] or that my car used to belong to the Art Director. I am a DeadSpace fanboy because the franchise sets the bar for what to expect from all games from that point on.

Kirby Epic Yarn looks as though it also is taking the kind of risks that parallel those of DeadSpace. It is the kind of game that will change what we expect from 2D platformers for years to come. When I see how inventive Kirby has been in overcoming some of the platforming challenges, I am blown away.

[quote] It's really all speculation, but I'm force to agree that coupling 3D, as much as I despise it, would have likely added that "wow" factor.[/quote]

Agreed, and thank you.

@Guss600, My courage statement was intended to include everyone. There are a lot more people reading this forum then writing. We are covering more then just Crysis 2 and there are Developers and Gamers in this particular forum. I believe everyone is listening and would like those with anything interesting to say to speak up. :] Everyone should muster the courage needed to provide some input, whether they be Cevat Yerli or Average Joe. :]

@neokinesis, agreed totally, views on each and every topic seem to outway replys for the most part, I am given to the belief that a number of users here, got wind of a Beta offer, (scuse the punn).
Some seem to think it is a god given right, I suspect that when the Beta situation gets sorted we may see a differnce overall, to the standard of the postings, and a greater opinion base, with more input. I look forward to that hopefully, as It is a learning curve in my case, hmmm, curve !! Laura ! lmao

Laura really knows how to climb those water falls. Speaking of such. Ask Enfedel or I about it sometime...

[quote]Laura really knows how to climb those water falls. Speaking of such. Ask Enfedel or I about it sometime...[/quote]Thinks !! should I ? lol, btw, did you play through Crysis Warhead, if so, did you find Cowman ?? I set a topic on this, just waiting for the more inquisative players to reply.

In case any of you are interested in the ‘conspiracy theory’. Notice how John Riccitiello introduces Cevat Yerli, Crytek, and the Crysis Franchise.

http://e3.gamespot.com/press-conference/ea-e3/?tag=live%3Bpress-conf-list%3Bea%3Btitle

For those interested in the game, enjoy Cevat Yerli's contribution around 53:16

@Guss, im sensing this thread is in its death throws as only about 4 people are up to date on the novel that this thread became. feel free to friend me on facebook bro. same with sahdev and talon, its my wifes account.
http://www.facebook.com/officialjeremih?ref=ts&v=wall#!/Michael.and.Maria

Will do enfadel, soon as I get my gaming pc fixed in a week.

I have been reading it, but there is like 20 conversations in this thread, so I'm quite confused. =(

I remember I was on a site, either IGN or GameSpot, and the best graphics award, versus stuff like Crysis 2 and Killzone 3, went to... Kirby's Epic Yarn! Oh boy! And it was on a Wii too!