Title of the thread: Crysis 2 has Securom.

Content of original post: Crysis 2 might have Securom with a link to something about Dead Space 2.

Gotcha. Really brilliant thread here.

Thats the basic thing im hearing about DRM except its not a physical lock its a digitalized one and people don't like them.
I think the problem isn't that it's a digital lock - it's that it's a digital lock that doesn't work.
The torrent websites are proof that the DRM can and will be removed, usually in a matter of hours. So why do developers and publishers continue to pay for it? All it will do is add (probably a very small amount of) money to the final price, and annoy a lot of legitimate customers.

SecuROM has caused problems for a lot of people in the past; although it's not as bad as StarForce it is still (in most cases) installing a very invasive piece of software which quite clearly doesn't do its job, since pirates have the game up within a day in most cases anyway.

If SecuROM was foolproof and stopped people pirating it, it'd be a different story for me - that's a company protecting its investment. But it doesn't, so it's just a company annoying some legitimate customers and giving them a worse experience than pirates get. Makes perfect sense. :s

(Bear in mind I don't think anyone knows yet if SecuROM is even in Crysis 2, so this rant may hopefully not be relevant. )

Of course its a worse experience getting something for nothing is always better than having to pay for it, but I fail to see how it gives legitimate paying customers a bad experience, heck if people would have never started a thread I would have never noticed it was on the disk to begin with. And how is it very invasive, i mean does it give your address and email account and password to everyone on the net, people blow this crap out of purportion, and yes no program is 100% fail proof, but joining sides with the cheaters/piraters just gives more power to their cause. A poor excuse to condone something illegal and unethical IMHO but believe what you want its a free country and free world.

Of course its a worse experience getting something for nothing is always better than having to pay for it, but I fail to see how it gives legitimate paying customers a bad experience, heck if people would have never started a thread I would have never noticed it was on the disk to begin with. And how is it very invasive, i mean does it give your address and email account and password to everyone on the net, people blow this crap out of purportion, and yes no program is 100% fail proof, but joining sides with the cheaters/piraters just gives more power to their cause. A poor excuse to condone something illegal and unethical IMHO but believe what you want its a free country and free world.
I'm not condoning piracy; I'm saying that DRM schemes such as this basically don't help games companies, and that they do harm their reputation and cause people to pirate games. I'm not saying that's acceptable behaviour, just that it happens.

The "experience" I was referring to was not related to price - for example, if both versions of the game were free and one had DRM, the one without DRM would be a better experience - the install would be faster, the game would load up faster since it wouldn't be doing any DRM checks, and there would be no chance of the DRM doing harm to the system (which, as you've said, only happens rarely these days).

As for "does the DRM program give out X information", the simple answer is that you don't know. Whilst most DRM methods are a lot less harmful now than they used to be (installing Ring 0 drivers comes to mind), it's still a step that is basically unnecessary. If the DRM works perfectly for you and doesn't get in your way, that's great - it's working as intended. That doesn't mean everyone will have had the same experience.

There is nothing wrong with SecuRom. It was introduced to prevent piracy and illegal sharing copies of the game. People who complain about this are up to no good.

Make sure you read the rights of the game if you want to know what your rights are when you purchase it.

The EULA is not on the cover. You have to run the disk to read the EULA. And if you dont agree with EULA you cant uninstall your game. Retailers dont take returns for pc games. Hence pc gamers are screwed from everywhere. And way to generalize jack @$$ that ppl who hate drm are pirates. Pirates dont hate drm. THey dont even experience drm.

Most of the games that have securom have install limits. ME1, Bioshock, Crysis warhead. PPL have been screwed over this. I am an informed pc gamer so believe me when I say securom is evil.

There is nothing wrong with SecuRom. It was introduced to prevent piracy and illegal sharing copies of the game. People who complain about this are up to no good.

Oh, I see. My bad. I'm sorry I'm a dirty pirate who never buys any games, and just dislikes DRM because it gets in the way of my pirating.*

Except as emperorCleon just mentioned, pirates never even see the DRM.


* I have pre-ordered C2 on Steam; I assume it's not showing up on that list because it's not released in my territory yet. Oh, and I bought C1 retail rather than on Steam.

i bet most of the pro drm crowd in this forum must be console gamers. Its retarded because issue of drm does not concern but. I was appalled to see that so many console noobs see pc gamers as pirated. But what do you expect when crytek and other companies themselves whine about pc piracy.

SC2 was pirated many times but I didnt see blizzard whining.

Both DA2 and DS2 use Sony Release Control which is different from a true burden SecuROM. It basically checks the release date of the game and makes sure it has been met. However DS2 has 5 simultaneous machine install limit but I do not know anybody in there right mind who install games on 5 different setups at once. You can easily deactivate these machines to make another activation available. It's pretty painless.

Not sure if DA2 has the same install limit setup as I have yet install it because I've been playing the Xbox 360 version a lot lately.

RYG is completely wrong on this one. Just because it's Sony Release Control doesn't mean it's SecuROM. I'm sorry to say but RYG is looking to cause a public outcry over nothing.

I've never had problems with DRM ever since I've been gaming and advocating people to use cracks is such risky business and illegal.

will it cause a natural disaster if crytek tells us about the drm???

they will, it will be in the EULA

Securom is a way better than Solidshield.

Securom is a way better than Solidshield.

That's like saying "internet explorer 6 is better than internet explorer 5". Neither of them are remotely useful and usually cause more problems than they solve.

If anything, SecuROM is actually worse than Solidshield because it's far more widely used, and thus every cracking team in existence will have automated tools that crack SecuROM without any effort required.

I am not a fan of DRM, but my questions more pertain to Securom. I am concerned about the open port tojan vulnerability, and it effecting other games and say Nero and cd/dvd burning capability. Is this an issue still? I finally took the plunge since I finally got a computer that could play Crysis and did the digital download. I have now found out that I have Securom 7 on my computer and it is upsetting me a little that this program could effect other things on my computer. I bought a retail copy of Warhead and I am waiting for it to arrive, but that is how I found out about Securom. Like I said, DRM issue aside, is Securom really a threat to my computer and will it cause issues? That is my main concern, and as stated by someone else, I really do not like the fact that it was installed without my knowledge. Anyway, I would appreciate any clarification on the Securom stuff, especially since I found out it is now on my computer. I thought there were patches that took care of this. I am patched to 1.2.1 on Crysis, but I guess that doesn't take Securom off your computer.