CTD after load finishes : III

» Fri May 27, 2011 3:20 am

I've recently start playing Morrowind after a long break and I've been running into this problem repeatedly, even on multiple different installs. Basically everything appears to be working fine while playing and I'll go on about my business as usual and save then exit when I'm finished without any errors or crashes. Then later on when I decide to start back up I crash immediately after loading my save, or sometimes (more rarely) I just freeze while "initializing data". It doesn't happen every single save, but it seems to occur in at least one of every ten new saves, so it's become quite an annoyance. Once the save has the problem I will consistently crash to the desktop every time the load is complete (I get to hear the sounds and see a frame or two as I crash) and I will then have to end the process with the task manager. The only work around I have found that occasionally works is to load an earlier save that isn't bugged and coc to the same area in which my bugged save's character is located and then load it from there, for unknown reasons this will sometimes fix the problem, maybe that could provide some insight as to why this is happening.

I am using Windows 7 (64bit) and I've already tried most of the solutions mentioned on these forums that I could find; I installed Morrowind to another directory (instead of program files), I set the exe to run in compatibility mode (for XP service pack 2) and as an administrator, I made sure to always save in new slots and never use the quicksave/autosave features, I'm of course using the latest patches (v1.6.1820 + MCP 1.8) with the latest versions of MGE+Mash(no errors found when I try repairing the saves)+mlox, and I made sure all my drivers are up to date/that I exceed morrowinds system requirements.

Any help would be appreciated.

Load Order

Spoiler

_001_ Morrowind.esm
_002_ Tribunal.esm
_003_ Bloodmoon.esm
_004_ Texture Fix - Bloodmoon.esm
_005_ Texture Fix 1.8.esm
_006_ TR_Data.esm
_007_ TR_Map1.esm
_008_ TR_Map2.esm
_009_ Morrowind Patch v1.6.5-BETA.esm
_010_ Havish.esm
_011_ Rise of House Telvanni.esm
_012_ BT_Whitewolf_2_0.esm
_013_ GDR_MasterFile.esm
_014_ Beryl's_Head_Replacer_v1.0.esm
_015_ bcsounds.esp
_016_ LGNPC_NoLore_v0_83.esp
_017_ Suran_Underworld_2.5.esp
_018_ P.R.E. v4.0.esp
_019_ DB_Attack_Mod3.esp
_020_ Lgnpc_SN.esp
_021_ Illuminated Order v1.0.esp
_022_ Unique Banners and Signs.esp
_023_ Illuminated Order v1.0 - Bloodmoon Compatibility Extras.esp
_024_ Slof's Vampire Faces.esp
_025_ Better Bodies.esp
_026_ Marksman Enhanced v1.2.esp
_027_ Scripted_Spells.esp
_028_ Galsiahs Character Development.esp
_029_ Vampire_Embrace.esp
_030_ GCD StartScript for Trib or Bloodmoon.esp
_031_ Vampiric Hunger Base.esp
_032_ Improved Skilled Magicka.esp
_033_ Vampiric Hunger Extended.esp
_034_ Vampiric Hunger - SU.esp
_035_ GCD better balanced birthsigns.esp
_036_ GCD settings fairly easy.esp
_037_ KS_Julan_Ashlander Companion_1.3.esp
_038_ frostmoth_repaired_v0_31.esp
_039_ GCD_SS_patch.esp
_040_ Oriental weapons pack.esp
_041_ GCD_107x_to_108_patch.esp
_042_ Better Clothes_v1.1_nac.esp
_043_ BetterClothes_Patch.esp
_044_ Havish - Scimitar Update + GCD (no MWE).esp
_045_ New Argonian Bodies - Mature.esp
_046_ EDNHE.esp
_047_ New Khajiit Bodies - Mature.esp
_048_ WA_Signy_Signposts(!).ESP
_049_ WA_Signy_Signposts(!)_TR.ESP
_050_ Less_Generic_Bloodmoon.esp
_051_ LGNPC_GnaarMok_v1_10.esp
_052_ LGNPC_AldVelothi_v1_20.esp
_053_ Creatures.esp
_054_ Arrow Denock.esp
_055_ Suran_Underworld_2.5-jms_patch.esp
_056_ DN-GDRv1_NOM.esp
_057_ Vampiric Hunger MGE Addon for MGE 1.11+.esp
_058_ LGNPC_MaarGan_v1_20.esp
_059_ LGNPC_HlaOad_v1_32.esp
_060_ Havish Mini Patch.esp
_061_ Third_Person_Crosshair_constant.esp
_062_ AAG_StatusBars.esp
_063_ Westly's Master Headpack X.esp
_064_ LGNPC_Aldruhn_v1_20.esp
_065_ LGNPC_Pelagiad_v1_22.esp
_066_ LGNPC_TelMora_v1_20.esp
_067_ LGNPC_Khuul_v2_10.esp
_068_ LGNPC_VivecFQ_v2_10.esp
_069_ LGNPC_TelUvirith_v1_20.esp
_070_ Less_Generic_Nerevarine.esp
_071_ LGNPC_SecretMasters_v1_30.esp
_072_ LGNPC_IndarysManor_v1_51.esp
_073_ LGNPC_VivecRedoran_v1_50.esp
_074_ LGNPC_PaxRedoran_v1_20.esp
_075_ mel_teleportPlugin_1_3.esp
_076_ mel_teleportPlugin_1_3_Patches.esp
_077_ mel_teleportPlugin_1_3_JulanAddon.esp
_078_ Building Up Uvirith's Legacy1.1.ESP
_079_ RoHT Havish Patch.esp
_080_ Uvirith's Legacy_Final_2.0.esp
_081_ Less_Generic_Tribunal.esp
_082_ UL_chess_addon.esp
_083_ UL_RoHT_1.4_Compatibility.esp
_084_ UL_Primus_MWSE.esp
_085_ UL_MWSE_patch.esp
_086_ MyMod.ESP
_087_ NOM 3.0.esp
_088_ NoM_IO Compatibility Patch.esp
_089_ Sotonhorian.ESP
_090_ Netch Adamantium Armor II.esp
_091_ DreadKnight.ESP
_092_ Water Level Fix - Full.esp
_095_ Merged_Objects_for_PTE.ESP
_093_ Piratelords Trade Enhancements.esp
_096_ PTE - BC Patch.esp
_094_ IceNioLivRobeReplacerALL.esp
_097_ Mashed Lists.esp

Warnings.txt

Spoiler

Texture "Data Files\textures\sotonhorian\reflection.tga" count 16.
Texture "Textures\Tx_ashlands_04.tga" count 3.
Texture "Textures\_land_default.tga" count 3.
Texture "Textures\menu_thick_border_bottom_right_corner.dds" count 2.

ProgramFlow.txt

Spoiler

000000: Program Started
000000: Computer Name: Jad
000000: Creating Windows
000000: Begin loading of archive header and invalidation of archived files
000001: Finished with header loading and invalidation
000001: Initializing Main
000001: Video adapter: ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2 (8.17.10.1041)
000204: Creating Scene
000204: Loading Master/Plugin
001428: Done Loading Master/Plugin
001428: Done Creating Scene
001428: Done Initalizing Main
001632: Loading...Loading Objects from file...
001837: Loading...Initializing Loaded Objects...
001938: Loading...Initializing Player 3D...
001938: Loading...Initializing Player Mob...
002347: Loading...Initializing Loaded References...
002550: Loading...Resetting projectiles...
002550: Loading...Resetting Spellmanager...
002550: Loading...Parsing Quests...
002550: Loading...Done.

» Fri May 27, 2011 8:45 am

The only work around I have found that occasionally works is to load an earlier save that isn't bugged and coc to the same area in which my bugged save's character is located and then load it from there, for unknown reasons this will sometimes fix the problem, maybe that could provide some insight as to why this is happening.

I am using Windows 7 (64bit) and I've already tried most of the solutions mentioned on these forums that I could find; I installed Morrowind to another directory (instead of program files), I set the exe to run in compatibility mode (for XP service pack 2) and as an administrator, I made sure to always save in new slots and never use the quicksave/autosave features

Load Order

Spoiler

_001_ Morrowind.esm
_002_ Tribunal.esm
_003_ Bloodmoon.esm
_004_ Texture Fix - Bloodmoon.esm
_005_ Texture Fix 1.8.esm
_006_ TR_Data.esm
_007_ TR_Map1.esm
_008_ TR_Map2.esm
_009_ Morrowind Patch v1.6.5-BETA.esm
_010_ Havish.esm
_011_ Rise of House Telvanni.esm
_012_ BT_Whitewolf_2_0.esm
_013_ GDR_MasterFile.esm
_014_ Beryl's_Head_Replacer_v1.0.esm
_015_ bcsounds.esp
_016_ LGNPC_NoLore_v0_83.esp
_017_ Suran_Underworld_2.5.esp
_018_ P.R.E. v4.0.esp
_019_ DB_Attack_Mod3.esp
_020_ Lgnpc_SN.esp
_021_ Illuminated Order v1.0.esp
_022_ Unique Banners and Signs.esp
_023_ Illuminated Order v1.0 - Bloodmoon Compatibility Extras.esp
_024_ Slof's Vampire Faces.esp
_025_ Better Bodies.esp
_026_ Marksman Enhanced v1.2.esp
_027_ Scripted_Spells.esp
_028_ Galsiahs Character Development.esp
_029_ Vampire_Embrace.esp
_030_ GCD StartScript for Trib or Bloodmoon.esp
_031_ Vampiric Hunger Base.esp
_032_ Improved Skilled Magicka.esp
_033_ Vampiric Hunger Extended.esp
_034_ Vampiric Hunger - SU.esp
_035_ GCD better balanced birthsigns.esp
_036_ GCD settings fairly easy.esp
_037_ KS_Julan_Ashlander Companion_1.3.esp
_038_ frostmoth_repaired_v0_31.esp
_039_ GCD_SS_patch.esp
_040_ Oriental weapons pack.esp
_041_ GCD_107x_to_108_patch.esp
_042_ Better Clothes_v1.1_nac.esp
_043_ BetterClothes_Patch.esp
_044_ Havish - Scimitar Update + GCD (no MWE).esp
_045_ New Argonian Bodies - Mature.esp
_046_ EDNHE.esp
_047_ New Khajiit Bodies - Mature.esp
_048_ WA_Signy_Signposts(!).ESP
_049_ WA_Signy_Signposts(!)_TR.ESP
_050_ Less_Generic_Bloodmoon.esp
_051_ LGNPC_GnaarMok_v1_10.esp
_052_ LGNPC_AldVelothi_v1_20.esp
_053_ Creatures.esp
_054_ Arrow Denock.esp
_055_ Suran_Underworld_2.5-jms_patch.esp
_056_ DN-GDRv1_NOM.esp
_057_ Vampiric Hunger MGE Addon for MGE 1.11+.esp
_058_ LGNPC_MaarGan_v1_20.esp
_059_ LGNPC_HlaOad_v1_32.esp
_060_ Havish Mini Patch.esp
_061_ Third_Person_Crosshair_constant.esp
_062_ AAG_StatusBars.esp
_063_ Westly's Master Headpack X.esp
_064_ LGNPC_Aldruhn_v1_20.esp
_065_ LGNPC_Pelagiad_v1_22.esp
_066_ LGNPC_TelMora_v1_20.esp
_067_ LGNPC_Khuul_v2_10.esp
_068_ LGNPC_VivecFQ_v2_10.esp
_069_ LGNPC_TelUvirith_v1_20.esp
_070_ Less_Generic_Nerevarine.esp
_071_ LGNPC_SecretMasters_v1_30.esp
_072_ LGNPC_IndarysManor_v1_51.esp
_073_ LGNPC_VivecRedoran_v1_50.esp
_074_ LGNPC_PaxRedoran_v1_20.esp
_075_ mel_teleportPlugin_1_3.esp
_076_ mel_teleportPlugin_1_3_Patches.esp
_077_ mel_teleportPlugin_1_3_JulanAddon.esp
_078_ Building Up Uvirith's Legacy1.1.ESP
_079_ RoHT Havish Patch.esp
_080_ Uvirith's Legacy_Final_2.0.esp
_081_ Less_Generic_Tribunal.esp
_082_ UL_chess_addon.esp
_083_ UL_RoHT_1.4_Compatibility.esp
_084_ UL_Primus_MWSE.esp
_085_ UL_MWSE_patch.esp
_086_ MyMod.ESP
_087_ NOM 3.0.esp
_088_ NoM_IO Compatibility Patch.esp
_089_ Sotonhorian.ESP
_090_ Netch Adamantium Armor II.esp
_091_ DreadKnight.ESP
_092_ Water Level Fix - Full.esp
_095_ Merged_Objects_for_PTE.ESP
_093_ Piratelords Trade Enhancements.esp
_096_ PTE - BC Patch.esp
_094_ IceNioLivRobeReplacerALL.esp
_097_ Mashed Lists.esp

Warnings.txt

Spoiler

Texture "Data Files\textures\sotonhorian\reflection.tga" count 16.
Texture "Textures\Tx_ashlands_04.tga" count 3.
Texture "Textures\_land_default.tga" count 3.
Texture "Textures\menu_thick_border_bottom_right_corner.dds" count 2.

There is a http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/31-step-by-step-ctd-crash-troubleshooting/ about this issues please read it first. :read:
You may have a dirty save or how many save do you have in the "\Bethesda Softworks\Morrowind\Saves" folder?
If you have less than 250 saves that you may have a couple of dirty saves that must be cleaned with the http://www.elricm.com/nuke/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=getit&lid=96.
Sorry I'm not the right person to ask about how to clean a save, because I don't posses that kind of knowledge.

I think you need to switch the "_056_ DN-GDRv1_NOM.esp" with the "_087_ NOM 3.0.esp" in your LO, because it didn't make sense to have a LO with NOM 3.0 loaded after DN-GDRv1_NOM.
If I where you I would start with a changed LO with "_056_ NOM 3.0.esp" and "_087_ DN-GDRv1_NOM.esp" in that LO of yours.

Don't worry about the autosave/quicksave feature and you can continue to use that feature together with a normal gamesave.
Then you have a crash like this I would advice you not to use any 'coc' command through the console, because that could be recorded in your future saves.

You're correct about one thing though that you actually go back a previous save.
After you have reload the previous save just reload the newest save and make a quicksave+normal save.

I hope this solve your issue and good luck.

» Fri May 27, 2011 1:53 pm

There is a http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/31-step-by-step-ctd-crash-troubleshooting/ about this issues please read it first. :read:

Yeah, I already tried everything in the link as well as some suggestions I found in other threads regarding CTDs. Mentioned this in my first post.

You may have a dirty save or how many save do you have in the "\Bethesda Softworks\Morrowind\Saves" folder?
If you have less than 250 saves that you may have a couple of dirty saves that must be cleaned with the http://www.elricm.com/nuke/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=getit&lid=96. Sorry I'm not the right person to ask about how to clean a save, because I don't posses that kind of knowledge.

I currently have 168 saves, mainly because this is the third or fourth character/install that I've tried and all of them end up running into the same problem so I made sure to keep every save this time and not overwrite any in case I once again had the same issue. If anyone else knows anything about how saves become dirty or corrupt and how to clean them some insight would be appreciated.

I think you need to switch the "_056_ DN-GDRv1_NOM.esp" with the "_087_ NOM 3.0.esp" in your LO, because it didn't make sense to have a LO with NOM 3.0 loaded after DN-GDRv1_NOM.
If I where you I would start with a changed LO with "_056_ NOM 3.0.esp" and "_087_ DN-GDRv1_NOM.esp" in that LO of yours.

I doubt believe this is an issue, TESPCD showed only a few conflicts which I took care of by merging with testool/enchanted editor back before I started playing.

Don't worry about the autosave/quicksave feature and you can continue to use that feature together with a normal gamesave.
Then you have a crash like this I would advice you not to use any 'coc' command through the console, because that could be recorded in your future saves.

I avoided quicksave/autosave because I had seen some discussions arguing for both sides as to whether it caused problems or not, so I just decided to play it safe and not use them at all. As for coc'ing, I only do it when my save becomes bugged and I always load after, never creating new saves after using the coc command.

You're correct about one thing though that you actually go back a previous save.
After you have reload the previous save just reload the newest save and make a quicksave+normal save.

The problem is this doesn't always work, sometimes it just becomes impossible to load the bugged saved and I'll lose quite a bit of progress. And with at least one in every ten saves becoming bugged it's quite frustrating.<_<

» Fri May 27, 2011 5:41 am

Through the process of elimination I believe I've pinpointed the problem to be http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=8557. Judging from the mods http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YrMrYvAaJA, it seems I'm not the only one affected by this. After disabling the plugin all saves load without any issues. :angel: