CTD.......lots of updates. : IV

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:53 am

i did one of my mod update runs and unfortunately now i cant load my saves. i updated to the latest version of obse and pluggy 18 and 132 respectively and a bunch of mods unfortunately i dont remember specifically all of them. i can start a new game just fine and save and reload that its just my current saves i cant use. there was mention of pluggy having issues with this but was supposedly very rare so im not sure if its that. thanks in advance for any help.

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» Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:47 am

D6 FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp [Version 0.9.9] <-- Does this not require the FCOM master file?

Do you have red or orange check boxes anywhere. Those are red (and orange or yellow?) flags.

Edit: How much of this was tweaked after running BOSS?

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:00 am

only a couple of mods were at the end of it. dont remember any orange boxes and ive had the redboxes from MALO forever (its designed to incorporate things from several big mods ingame so its designed like that). fcom durablity and damage doesnt need FCOM itself....all it does is increase the damage modifier and decrease armor wear.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:06 am

only a couple of mods were at the end of it. dont remember any orange boxes and ive had the redboxes from MALO forever (its designed to incorporate things from several big mods ingame so its designed like that). fcom durablity and damage doesnt need FCOM itself....all it does is increase the damage modifier and decrease armor wear.

Redboxes are fine if the plugins have the filter tag. How do you not remember if there was orange? I guess you are not looking at your LO now. Mass updating is almost always begging for disaster... Pluggy's issues are different from this, and OBSE...on its own, the update should not cause crashes, but it might help to perform a clean save for any mods where the upgrade made the mod go from being dependent on a pre-18 version of OBSE to being dependent on OBSE v18.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:59 pm

yeah i tried doing a clean save without the mods i thought i updated. i didnt try it without obse though so ill give that a shot. i do know better about mass updating but they were all mods that have been around awhile except for enhanced economy and ive been lucky in the past. its not a humungous loss since i have a mod that finishes the main quest and the DB quest only takes me half an hour now to do. the pain in the ass part is remaking my character.

yeah i just checked and no orange boxes. oh well i was just hoping maybe it was a known issue. kinda wanted to redo my character anyways eventually might as well do it now.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:14 am

I do not think launching without OBSE is going to go well, or do much to change the situation. If you want to try that type of update, you should just delete the OBSE files associated with the saves you are trying to update. They share the same name as each save file. Delete those.