CTD right out of the sewers..... any suggestions? : IV

» Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:45 am

I've added mods (list below) to this last attempt to play through oblivion to finish before Skyrim and spent many many HOURS making sure they were clean & ordered, with only expected conflicts (like texture overwrites) with Wrye bash / TES4 / BOSS / OBMM and OBSE and yet..

Every single NEW GAME I try, when I get to exit the sewers: CTD

I'm no expert on Wrye, but I've followed all the readme's and other installation requirements as best as I can understand (some are a bit hard as english obviously isn't their native language and some things seem to get lost in translation) and the game runs fine right up to the sewer exit - no warning's, messages or anything - smooth as I'd hoped.

So what is it? If it was a graphics overload from the added textures + UL and AEVWD + TES4LOD gen - I would have thought my PC would simply have slowed to a crawl (quadcore 9800, 6gig ram, 560ti Hawk twin frozr).

As I spent so long trying to make sure it was all OK I'm more than a little baffled, and I really don't want to go poking around uninstalling mods in a vague attempt to diagnose.

So I hope someone can try to help, otherwise I think I'm stuck with losing the mods that need Wrye and using OBMM (I had a previous install that ran ok past the sewers, but I got greedy and fancied a few other mods that insisted on wryebash install) or uninstalling everything then adding one by one until it breaks. Which TBH is almost a step too far considering the time I've spent already, I'd like to play Oblivion, but I'm not going to dedicate what will end up being a week to get it to co-operate.

MOD LIST:

** = merged to bash patch

++ = merged to bash patch - masters missing. (in each case I don't have the corresponding optional mods this file is looking for installed)

Active Mod Files:

Spoiler

00  Oblivion.esm01  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5b]02  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]**  Francesco's Optional New Creatures Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]03  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]04  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.33]05  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]**  Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]06  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm07  CM Partners.esm08  SDR.esm  [Version 7.2.0]09  Beautiful_Women_NiceOnly.esp**  Beautiful_Women_DB_Addon.esp**  Beautiful_Women_SI.esp**  Beautiful_Women_Vampires.esp**  Beautiful_Women_Vampires_50.esp**  Handsome_Gents_SI.esp**  Handsome_Gents_Vampires.esp**  Handsome_Gents_Vampires_50.esp0A  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.4.4]0B  UOPS Additional Changes.esp0C  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp0D  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0E  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.5.2]++  USIPS Additional Changes.esp0F  MOBS SI Optional Combat Settings.esp  [Version 1.2.2a]10  Natural_Weather_HDR_2.1.3_coloroverride.esp.esp11  Natural_Weather_HDR_with_darker_Nights_by_Max_Tael_RD.esp12  Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp13  Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp14  Louder Nirnroot Sound.esp15  Cities Alive At Night.esp16  Ayleid Loot EXtension - OOO Dungeons.esp17  Book Jackets Oblivion.esp18  Blackmarket.esp19  GoldnSilverBars.esp1A  RAEVWD Cities.esp  [Version 1.9]1B  RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp  [Version 1.7]1C  RAEVWD Imperial City.esp  [Version 1.9]1D  Redecoration.esp1E  SkinMannequinVan-nosleep.esp1F  Living Economy.esp20  DarNifiedUI Config Addon.esp21  Streamline 3.1.esp22  Landmarks, w Wells.esp  [Version 1.11]23  Guild Map Markers.esp24  DBShadowSet.esp25  Underworld Armor.esp26  Dude Wheres My Horse.esp27  Francesco's More Wilderness Life.esp28  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp29  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp2A  Francesco's Optional Dungeon Chest Loot.esp2B  Francesco's Optional Dungeon Chest Locks.esp**  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp2C  Francesco's Optional House Chest Loot.esp2D  Francesco's Optional New Adventurers.esp++  Francesco's Optional Vendor Tweaks.esp2E  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp2F  Francesco's Optional Leveled Quests.esp30  Francesco's Optional Leveled Arena.esp31  Francesco's Optional Files.esp32  Francesco's Optional Files 1.esp33  Francesco's Optional Files 2.esp34  Francesco's Optional Files 3.esp35  Francesco's Optional Files 4.esp36  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]37  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]++  Cobl Tweaks.esp  [Version 1.44]38  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.33]**  OMOBS.esp  [Version 2.0]**  OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 2.0]**  Mart's Monster Mod for Fran.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]**  Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]39  Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3A  Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3B  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3C  Mart's Monster Mod - Fran's leveled quests.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Beholdens.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Balrogs.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Spawn Rates - Moderate Increased.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3D  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3E  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3F  Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]40  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]41  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot OOO.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]42  Amajor7 Imperial Furniture.esp43  Dwemer_Skyship_1_1_0.esp44  GlenvarCastle.esp45  LetThePeopleDrink.esp  [Version 2.6]46  mrSiikas_DwemerTechnology_DwemerSubway.esp47  VaultsofCyrodiil.esp48  za_bankmod.esp49  BrumaMGRestored.esp4A  The Lost Spires.esp4B  MannimarcoRevisited.esp4C  MannimarcoRevisitedOOO.esp  [Version 0.1]4D  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp4E  ReclaimSancreTor.esp  [Version 1.0.5]4F  road+bridges.esp  [Version 4.6.3]50  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]51  LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp52  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]53  xulTheHeath.esp54  xulEntiusGorge.esp  [Version 1.2.1]55  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]56  LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp57  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.2]58  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.3]59  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.5]5A  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.4]5B  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3.2]5C  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.4]5D  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]5E  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]5F  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.4]60  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]61  xulRollingHills_EV.esp  [Version 1.3.3]62  xulPantherRiver.esp63  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]64  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.1.1]65  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.8]66  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.1.0]67  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]68  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.2]69  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp  [Version 1.0.2]6A  xulSnowdale.esp  [Version 1.0.5]6B  xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp  [Version 1.12]6C  xulSilverfishRiverValley.esp  [Version 1.0.3]6D  xulJerallGlacier.esp  [Version 1.0.1]6E  xulTheEasternPeaks.esp  [Version 1.0]6F  Moriarcis.esp70  RedBag - Imperial City Pack.esp71  Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp72  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Real Lava 1.3.esp73  Bag of Holding.esp  [Version 1.5.0]74  DecoratorAssistant with OBSE v1.1.esp75  Skill Perk Descriptions.esp  [Version 1.1]76  talkwithyourhands2.esp77  za_less_NPC_conversations.esp78  Quest Award Leveling.esp79  Quest Award Leveling - Finger of the Mountain.esp7A  RealisticForceMedium.esp7B  ClaimThatInterior.esp7C  Disenchant.esp7D  Kyoma's Spell Renamer.esp  [Version 3.0.1]7E  SSEE.esp7F  SSEE-OOO.esp80  Syc_AtHomeAlchemy.esp81  RenGuardOverhaul.esp82  NaturalMagicSkillsInceases_v2.0.esp++  Francesco's Slower skills x2.esp83  Francesco's level up mini mod.esp84  Francesco's level up mini mod - Slower skills x1.5.esp**  Cava Obscura - Cyrodiil.esp**  Cava Obscura - SI.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.76]++  Item interchange - Placement.esp  [Version 0.76]++  Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk, reduced.esp  [Version 0.76]85  CM Partners.esp  [Version 1.8]86  CM Partners More NPCs NE.esp++  Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  kuerteeDetectLifeEffect.esp87  kuerteeNightEyeShader.esp**  NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]88  Bashed Patch, 0.esp89  RenGuardOverhaul_PatchForSDR.esp8A  SDR_Perks And Patches [Oblivion].esp  [Version 7.2.0]8B  hardcoe Birthsigns.esp8C  underwater ruin.esp8D  LcMageAmory.esp8E  MaAyleidRuin.esp

Order set by BOSS

Knights is installed (with the patches and MMM / OOO extras) but not activated until I can do the wayshrines vanilla quest as apparently knights interferes with it.

Cava obscura is an odd one as it requires bash patch merge - but doesn't actually activate ingame unless you change from a * to a tick (as per the others) - but it works in the sections preceding the sewers just fine.

SDR - I've not activated the night eye and detect life optionals as I prefer the ones by Kuertee. (at least theoretically - I've not actually got to use them yet).

Thanks for reading, and I hope someone can help - I'm going to stop trying to fix this for a day or so as it's getting annoying so no rush on replies, but please DO reply whatever possibility you think it might be.

» Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:33 pm

I am assuming that you know how to use the console commands.... Try coc testinghall and then try coc weye. just to see if you can leave the sewer and go somewhere else.

Raed

» Sat Oct 19, 2013 2:42 am

Do what Raedwald suggets first. If that does not help try few things like these. I see some old mods that you're using that are outdated or no longer supported. It would be better for you to switch to a better version that does the similar things. See if that helps. Be very cautious when adding AI intensive mods like FCOM or any HD textures. The game engine was not optimized for these to begin with. RAEWD is a fps killer so might want to consider going easy on that also.

» Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:32 am

First suggestion is to re-read and carefully follow the instructions on installing FCOM, since you appear to be wanting to run it. Not ALL of the .esp's you have in your load order are meant to work together in a full FCOM install.

Just for starters:

Francesco's Optional New Creatures.esm should not be used, as Mart's Monster Mod takes over its function.

Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm should not be used, as it is intended for an 'MMM for OOO' setup--NOT for FCOM. Just use the plain Mart's Monster Mod.esm.

May have TOO many Natural Weather HDR .esp's. Either Darker Nights or regular--only use one.

Be aware that RAEVWD Cities is very demanding ... you may want to tone down those details until you're sure your rig can handle it.

You should NOT be using either one of these:

** Mart's Monster Mod for Fran.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
** Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp

The FCOM Convergence.esp will load Mart's just fine as long as your Marts Monster Mod.bsa is properly named (again, read the FCOM instructions!)

I see many more things that might crash your game, if all run together. But the best advice if you want to run FCOM is to get the basic game running properly first -- and then add the eye candy.

» Fri Oct 18, 2013 10:59 pm

Your load order makes no sense. seriously. Maybe someone else could list you all the problems, but I will list just some

Quest award levelling is outdated and really messy. You should sub it with QUEST AWARD LEVELLER or AULIAS

Enhanced daedric invasion is a really bad(because it is incomplete, and not for the idea itself) mod. Maybe you like it, I don't know. But you need the patch for it. And you should check the official topic for the why it is bad.

I don't understand how you are trying to use FRANCESCO + OOO + MARTIGEN without FCOM.

Natural weather by Max Tel is ULTRAOLD and you should sub it with ALL NATURAL, or with the fixed version (I don't remember where you can find it, but it was on planet elder scrolls)

There are a lot of info I could add, but the only thing I advise you is uninstalling everything, and trying to surf in this forum for info on everything you gotta install. That's the only way

» Fri Oct 18, 2013 4:43 pm

Another thing: it took me months to install FCOM and I needed the help of some (really nice) people inside this forum, even if I surfed this forum a lot and I read lot of info. You should really focus on installing easier mods befroe going for tough things. Just go for OOO+MMM for start.
And you say you don't want to waste a week, but I assure you, I didn't waste week, I purposelly used months to improve my limited oblivion modding knowledge.

also, now that I think about it , there is even "nubee fcom guide". IF I had that months ago, I wouldn't have needed all this time to learn. Just go for it. Or well, whatever