CTD on save : IV

» Sat May 07, 2011 5:17 pm

So, umm... I get a CTD whenever I try to save the game... any ideas? Here's teh lode orderz:

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Masters for: Streamsave_1.ess00  Oblivion.esm01  You Are Here.esm02  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 0.9.9]03  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm04  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm05  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]06  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]07  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]08  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]09  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]0A  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]0B  Artifacts.esm  [Version 1.1]0C  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm0D  BathingMod_Base.esm0E  Progress.esm  [Version 2.2]0F  UnnecessaryViolence.esm10  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.5]11  UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp  [Version 1.0.0]12  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp13  DLCShiveringIsles.esp14  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]++  Shivering OOO.esp15  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp16  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp17  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp18  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]19  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]**  LoadingScreens.esp1A  LoadingScreensAddOn.esp**  LoadingScreensSI.esp1B  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1C  All Natural.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1D  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1E  All Natural - SI Palace.esp++  All Natural - EW + NW + AWS.esp  [Version Final]1F  Enhanced Water v2.0 HDMI.esp20  Storms & Sound.esp21  WindowLightingSystem.esp**  Book Jackets Oblivion.esp22  ChaseCameraMod.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.78]23  P1DseeYouSleep.esp24  PrivateQuarters.esp  [Version 2.33]25  RAEVWD Cities.esp  [Version 1.7]26  RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp  [Version 1.5]27  RAEVWD Imperial City.esp  [Version 1.7]28  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 3.4.3]29  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.3.1]2A  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.0.2]2B  sr_super_hotkeys.esp2C  DLCHorseArmor.esp++  Mart's Monster Mod - DLCHorseArmor+Slofs .esp  [Version 0.91]2D  DLCOrrery.esp2E  DLCVileLair.esp2F  P1DseeYouSleep - DLCVileLair.esp30  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp31  DLCSpellTomes.esp**  Book Jackets DLC.esp++  GrimbotsSpellTomes.esp++  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp++  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp++  ArtifactsFemaleArmor.esp**  Armamentium female.esp**  Slof's Horses Base.esp32  Mart's Monster Mod - Hemingweys NPC and Guard Capes.esp  [Version 1.0]33  DLCThievesDen.esp34  Slof's Oblivion Robe Trader.esp35  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]36  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]37  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]++  FCOM_Cobl.esp  [Version 0.9.9]38  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp39  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]3A  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]**  OMOBS.esp  [Version 1.0]**  OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 1.0]++  ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp  [Version 1.35]3B  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]3C  Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3D  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp  [Version 0.9.9beta2]3E  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]3F  FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_SpawnRatesReduced.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]40  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]41  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]42  Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]43  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]44  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]45  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3f]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot OOO.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]46  TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp  [Version 1.39c]++  TamrielTravellersItemsnpc.esp47  TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp  [Version 1.39c]48  ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp  [Version 1.39c]++  ShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions4MMM.esp  [Version 1.39c]++  FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_Archery.esp++  FCOM_Archery_Armamentarium.esp++  FCOM_Archery_Artifacts.esp++  FCOM_Archery_RealSwords.esp++  FCOM_Archery_MMM_H&C.esp++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]++  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]++  PersuasionOverhaul_OOO.esp  [Version 1.2]++  PersuasionOverhaul_MMM.esp  [Version 1.2]++  Fransfemale.esp++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]++  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4FCOM.esp49  GP_Safe Water.esp4A  Artifacts.esp  [Version 1.1]++  Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp  [Version 1.0]4B  Better Rosethorn Hall.esp4C  Dwemer_Skyship_1_1_0.esp4D  Kragenir's Death Quest.esp4E  KDQ - Rural Line Additions.esp4F  Kvatch Rebuilt.esp++  Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp50  Kvatch Rebuilt - Leveled Guards - FCOM.esp++  Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp51  EiAmod.esp  [Version 1.1]++  EiAmod_ShiveringIsles.esp52  MadHouseV12.esp53  Malevolent.esp54  Sheos Quarters.esp55  Sheo's Quarters (Mania & Dementia Gardens).esp56  SI-BlissAquaductHouse-COBL.esp57  Side's Sailing Ships.esp58  Side's Sailing Ships (Bathing).esp59  Side's Sailing Ships (COBL).esp5A  StopDarkBrotherhood.esp5B  Sylar_INNMergedCyrodillInnsRevised.esp5C  The Ayleid Steps.esp  [Version 3.3]5D  VHBloodlines 1.2.esp  [Version 1.4]5E  VOILA.esp5F  VOILA - Soldiers of Empire.esp60  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp61  Artificerens Battlehorn Coblized.esp62  DLCfrostcrag.esp63  Kvatch Rebuilt_Frostcrag Reborn.esp64  FrostcragRebornCobl.esp65  Knights.esp66  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]++  EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp++  DLC_MOBS.esp67  TOTF.esp68  TOTF-EiAE Patch.esp69  RTT.esp6A  RTT-Weye Relocation Patch.esp  [Version 2.0]6B  The Lost Spires.esp6C  AFK_Weye.esp6D  LanternMonastery.esp6E  Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_SlofsRobeTrader.esp  [Version 0.9.9]6F  Blackmarsh.esp70  Valenwood.esp71  Summerset.esp72  SummersetLandscapes.esp73  ElsweyrAnequina.esp74  Valenwood_Anequina_Patch.esp75  road+bridges.esp  [Version 4.5.3]76  Feldscar.esp  [Version 1.0.1]77  Vergayun.esp  [Version 1.0.4]78  Faregyl.esp  [Version 1.0.10]79  Faregyl+Anequina Patch.esp7A  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]7B  xulTheHeath.esp7C  MMMMWL-TheHeath patch.esp7D  XulEntiusGorge.esp7E  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]7F  LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp  [Version 1.2]80  Anequina-Fallenleaf-Patch.esp81  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]82  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]83  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]84  KragenirsDeathQuest-LostCoast patch.esp85  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.2]86  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3]87  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.2]88  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]89  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]8A  KragenirsDeathQuest-CloudtopMountains patch.esp8B  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]8C  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]8D  xulRollingHills_EV.esp  [Version 1.3.2]8E  MMMMWL-RollingHills patch.esp8F  KragenirsDeathQuest-RollingHills patch.esp90  xulPantherRiver.esp91  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]92  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.0.2]93  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.3]94  xulBlackwoodForest.esp95  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]96  TearsOfTheFiend-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp97  KvatchRebuilt-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp98  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.1]99  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp9A  NRB4+UL-II Patch.esp  [Version 5.0]9B  EtInArkay-UniqueLandscapes Merged patch.esp++  Archmage_Enchanted_Chest_OBSE.esp9C  EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp9D  P1DkeyChain.esp  [Version 5.00]9E  PersuasionOverhaul.esp  [Version 1.43]9F  Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp  [Version 3.08]A0  Enhanced Vegetation [150%].espA1  Slof's Epona.espA2  Storms & Sound - AFK_Weye.espA3  Storms & Sound - The Lost Spires.espA4  Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp  [Version 3.1.1]A5  UV Vanilla Quest Fixes.espA6  Wrye Shivering.esp  [Version 08]A7  Wrye Shivering Death.esp  [Version 05]A8  Quest Award Leveller.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Battlehorn Castle.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.espA9  BathingMod.espAA  BathingMod_Bathrooms.espAB  RefScope.esp  [Version 1.3.0]AC  AgarMoreVariedSpellEffects.espAD  MidasSpells.espAE  Alchemical Formulas.espAF  EnchantmentRestore.espB0  RenGuardOverhaul.espB1  RenGuardOverhaulShiveringIsles.espB2  Enhanced Grabbing.esp  [Version 0.4]B3  ProgressMBSP.esp  [Version 2.0]B4  ProgressSBSP.esp  [Version 1.0]B5  ProgressRBSP.esp  [Version 1.0]B6  ProgressRacial.espB7  ProgressArmorer.esp  [Version 1.0]B8  ProgressMercantile.esp  [Version 1.11]B9  GalerionLeveling-v11.espBA  Legendary Abilities-Reflect MOJ.espBB  Grandmaster of Alchemy.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - Cyrodiil + SI.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - Knights.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - Mehrunes Razor.esp++  Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp  [Version 0.78]++  Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag Reborn.esp  [Version 0.78]++  Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk.esp  [Version 0.78]++  Slof's Oblivion Better Beasts.espBC  CompanionMaster.espBD  bgBalancingEVCore.esp  [Version 10.52EV-D]BE  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  TurnUndeadisRestoration.esp++  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]BF  bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVNoSorting.esp++  bgMagicEVStartspellsNoSorting.espC0  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.90]C1  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.86]++  SM_DLCSpellTome.esp  [Version 0.80]++  SM_OOO.esp  [Version 0.89]++  SM_MMM.esp  [Version 0.89]++  SM_COBL.esp  [Version 0.86]C2  SM_EnchantStaff.esp  [Version 0.80]++  SM_UnlockSpells.esp  [Version 0.70]++  SM_Scrolls.esp  [Version 0.84]++  SM_SigilStone.esp  [Version 0.83]++  bgMagicEV_Conjuration_for_Supreme_Magicka.esp  [Version 1.5]**  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, TNR Merge.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp  [Version 10.]**  bgBalancingOptionalNPCDiversityKvatchRebuilt, for Wrye Bash.esp  [Version 9.0EV-D]C3  bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp  [Version 10.51EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D1.62EV]**  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversityLAME.esp  [Version 10.5EV-D]C4  bgIntegrationEV.esp  [Version 0.993]**  bgIntegrationEV - Alternative NPC Faces by LazyMonk.esp  [Version 0.99]++  bgIntegrationEV - Unique Clothes.esp  [Version 0.99]C5  ArgonianFeets.esp++  EVE_KhajiitFix.espC6  DynamicTimescale.espC7  SPAWN.esp  [Version 0.2]**  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]C8  Shining Creatures.esp++  Shining Creatures_DLCFrostcrag.espC9  Hemingweys Capes.esp  [Version 2.00]CA  UnnecessaryViolence.esp**  NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 0.9.9]CB  Bashed Patch, 0.espCC  LandMagicPatch.espCD  Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esp  [Version 0.2]CE  Streamline 3.1.esp

» Sat May 07, 2011 7:15 pm

I have no idea either. Sometimes it looks like everything is well. You can save and progress your game until your game crashes when trying to save. Once it happens, perhaps you cannot save your game anymore, thus playing your character further is impossible.

» Sat May 07, 2011 4:38 pm

This probably isn't going to help since it's purely anecdotal, but; I've encountered this off and on, and it, every time, has been from:

-Overloading a COBL Alchemy Sorter container with many, many mod added and vanilla ingredients (this was a year+ ago though)

- Trying to save the game with h u g e stacks of something in my inventory. Bonemeal from grinding, in my case. It'll handle 1-2k, after that it's probably going to crash on save.

Also
- Way way back when, I had this issue due to a corrupt container, but I don't recall the details there, and thats long since been purged. I do remember that it was a corrupt container though. Isn't that helpful?

Good luck anyway, hope you figure it out.

» Sat May 07, 2011 10:59 am

Have you tried rolling back to an earlier save? I mean, can you save with an earlier save, any save? Have you made any changes recently?

» Sat May 07, 2011 12:11 pm

Weird thing is, if I turn on Streamsave, it seems as though it saves successfully, and then crashes as soon as it's done (by save successfully, I mean that I'm able to load that save). If I save using the menu, I get a CTD and the save is corrupt. I haven't tried saving via the console yet, and I haven't tried using an earlier save either. The only changes I've made were adding StopDarkBrotherhood.esp and RGO (both of which I disabled to see if they were the problem; no love

).

[EDIT] Saving from the console still gives a CTD, but previously working saves still work. I'm just going to keep playing from that working save and see if it happens again.

» Sat May 07, 2011 5:10 am

Try regenerating your Oblivion.ini. I have had Oblivion get upset with me for changing the movement controls in the INI, instead of using the main menu or something...so quirky.

» Sat May 07, 2011 4:28 pm

Regenerating the .ini didn't work

Anyway, I went back to the save that seemed to be working. I was inside a house. I went outside, Streamline autosaved for me, and then I fast travelled. Streamline saved once again, and then BAM, CTD. But, as I said earlier, Streamline's making successful saves, when I save manually, it creates a corrupt save. Either way, I get a CTD.

» Sat May 07, 2011 2:20 pm

Try removing Pluggy, which means deactivating anything that depends on it as well. Reinstall OBSE, move pluggy out of the plugins folder. Move the pluggy folder and the Oblivion.ini out Oblvion\My Games...that is all I can think of...oh try saving in a new profile. OBSE and pluggy have their own save information, and creating a new profile is simpler than trying to remove the right things. Try a new test save in the new profile first.

» Sat May 07, 2011 8:39 am

I moved Pluggy out of the plugins folder... I didn't bother to deactivate any pluggy-dependent mods, but it seems to be working. I'll need to try a few more saves to make sure, but I think Pluggy is the culprit. Where should I post about this?

» Sat May 07, 2011 5:39 pm

Were you using v132? Did you remove that folder as well? Something may have just become corrupt in there.

» Sat May 07, 2011 5:53 pm

I was using 132, but I just moved the .dll and the .dlx. Should I redownload the package?

» Sat May 07, 2011 10:55 am

If you have the archive you downloaded before, it is probably fine. Pluggy is not perfect, but the crashes it causes seem to be consistent and not harmful. You should be able to clean save without it and then add it back in afterward. I think most mods that use Pluggy use it for extended (optional) functionality. If you do not want to risk the crashes, do not reinstall it. I think that the functionality is worth it, and the crashes being known helps greatly. You could try posting in the Pluggy thread with your load order, just in case it is still being worked on. It would be nice if someone updated it because Pluggy causing crashes is not a new topic.