CTD :P : IV

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:51 am

I have been up all night installing Unnecessary Violence and Deadly Reflex, making them work with FCOM. Once I get a working game (or what I thought was one) I rebuilt my bash patch and entered the game. Started a new save, and it works fine up until a certain point. I am using an alternate start mod by Robert Evrae, and I think that might be a part of the problem. I am fine inside the ship, but once I confirm my chargen and leave the ship, I crash within 10 seconds.

I'm wondering if you guys can give me a hand here, let me know what my problem is. And maybe even give me a few pointers to fine tune this loadout. XD

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 0.9.9]02  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]03  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]04  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]05  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]06  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]07  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]08  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]09  BathingMod_Base.esm0A  Progress.esm  [Version 2.2]0B  CM Partners.esm0C  HorseCombatMaster.esm0D  UnnecessaryViolence.esm0E  TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp0F  TNR - ShiveringIsles.esp10  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.6]11  UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp  [Version 1.0.0]12  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp13  DLCShiveringIsles.esp14  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]15  SM Plugin Refurbish - SI.esp  [Version 1.30]16  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp17  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp18  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp19  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp++  Francesco's Dark Seducer Weapons Patch.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1A  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1B  Fran Armor Add-on.esp1C  Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp++  LoadingScreens.esp1D  Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp1E  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1F  All Natural.esp  [Version 0.9.9]20  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  All Natural - Enhanced Weather.esp  [Version Final]21  Enhanced Water v2.0 HDMI.esp22  PowerAttack Voicemod - The Shivering Isles.esp  [Version v1.32]23  Cities Alive At Night.esp24  WindowLightingSystem.esp25  Akatosh Mount By Saiden Storm.esp26  Chapel Tithe.esp++  CM_Better Wine.esp++  Cyrodilic Brandy.esp27  Inebriation.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.78]28  kuerteeSittableRocks.esp29  MM_TextLocks.esp2A  Maigrets Pet Fox.esp2B  phinix_master_summon.esp2C  Portable Campsite.esp2D  Q - More and Moldy Ingredients v1.1.esp2E  ReneerVariedNPCsMod.esp2F  SoT_Holiday.esp30  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 4.0.6]31  FF_Real_Thirst.esp32  Choices and Consequences.esp  [Version 2.02]33  kuerteeIgnoringTheMainQuestHasConsequences.esp34  DLCHorseArmor.esp35  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]36  SM Plugin Refurbish - HorseArmor.esp  [Version 1.11]37  DLCOrrery.esp38  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]39  SM Plugin Refurbish - Orrery.esp  [Version 1.11]3A  DLCVileLair.esp3B  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]++  SM Plugin Refurbish - VileLair.esp  [Version 1.21]3C  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp3D  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]3E  SM Plugin Refurbish - MehrunesRazor.esp  [Version 1.30]3F  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]40  Adonnays Classical Weaponry.esp41  Adonnays Elven Weaponry.esp42  AW_Wings.esp  [Version 1]43  ArmamentariumArmor.esp44  Chapel Shop.esp45  DMACArmor.esp46  Dreadweave Complete_Light.esp47  Eternal Dragon Armor Heavy.esp48  UFF Lady Shadow.esp49  GizmodianSorceress.esp4A  AncientTowers.esp4B  DLCThievesDen.esp4C  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]4D  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]4E  SM Plugin Refurbish - ThievesDen.esp  [Version 1.30]4F  KDCircletsOOOOptimized - NPC Equip.esp  [Version 1.2]++  FCOM_KDCircletsOOOOptimizedNPCEquip.esp  [Version 0.9.9]50  ExnemRuneskulls.esp++  FCOM_ExnemRuneskulls.esp  [Version 0.9.9]51  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]52  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]53  FF_Real_Thirst, Cobl.esp54  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]++  FCOM_Cobl.esp  [Version 0.9.9]55  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp56  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]57  Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp++  FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp  [Version 0.9.9]58  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.08a]59  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]5A  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]++  OOO-Water_Weeds.esp  [Version 1.33]5B  OMOBS.esp  [Version 1.0]5C  OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 1.0]5D  OMOBS Optional Combat Settings.esp  [Version 1.0]5E  Choices and Consequences - OOO.esp  [Version 2.0]5F  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp  [Version 0.9.9beta2]60  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]61  FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_SpawnRatesReduced.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]62  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life No Gates.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_SaferRoads.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_LessReaversInGates.esp  [Version 0.9.9]63  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]64  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]65  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]66  Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]67  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]68  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  TamrielTravellerAdvScript.esp  [Version 1.39c]69  TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp  [Version 1.39c]6A  TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp  [Version 1.39c]6B  ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp  [Version 1.39c]++  FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]6C  FCOM_Archery.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_ArcheryRealSwords.esp  [Version 2]6D  FCOM_ArcheryHunting&Crafting.esp  [Version 1]6E  FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp  [Version 0.9.9]6F  FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FineWeapons for OOO.esp70  RustyItems for OOO.esp71  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]72  adTreeHome.esp73  BeldaElysium.esp74  Castle_Highrock.esp75  eyja.esp76  Nascosto Isles 3.esp77  Satu Ra - Lord of Beasts.esp78  Servant of the Dawn.esp79  SkyCastle.esp7A  TempleofNirn.esp7B  The Ayleid Steps.esp  [Version 3.4]7C  Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp7D  za_bankmod.esp7E  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp7F  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]80  SM Plugin Refurbish - Battlehorn.esp  [Version 1.30]81  DLCFrostcrag.esp82  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]83  SM Plugin Refurbish - Frostcrag.esp  [Version 1.2]84  Knights.esp85  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]++  SM Plugin Refurbish - Knights.esp  [Version 1.06]86  Choices and Consequences - SM Plugin Refurbish - Orrery.esp  [Version 2.0]87  TOTF.esp88  The Lost Spires.esp89  Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp8A  HoarfrostCastle.esp8B  Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]8C  mythsandlegends.esp++  FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp  [Version 0.9.9]8D  Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp8E  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]8F  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]90  DropLitTorchOBSE.esp  [Version 2.4]91  Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 DT.esp92  Exterior Actors Have Torches 1.3 DT.esp93  ReneerNPCNameMod.esp94  kuerteeGoldIsAnInventoryItem.esp95  Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp  [Version 3.08]96  Quest Award Leveling.esp97  Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp98  BathingMod_Soap.esp99  BathingMod_Bathroom_Upgrades.esp9A  BathingMod_Placeable_Bathtubs.esp9B  OWE&P -NW.esp9C  RealisticFatigue.esp9D  RealisticHealth.esp9E  RealisticForceMedium.esp9F  RealisticMagicForceLow.espA0  PC Sleep Disrober.esp  [Version -03]A1  RealSleepExtended.esp  [Version 2.4.1]A2  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.90]A3  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_DLCSpellTome.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_OOO.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_MMM.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_COBL.esp  [Version 0.90]A4  SM_EnchantStaff.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_Scrolls.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_SigilStone.esp  [Version 0.90]A5  MidasSpells.espA6  Syc_AtHomeAlchemy_No_Bounty_v2.espA7  attack and hide medium v2.1.espA8  No psychic guards harder v1.2.espA9  ProgressGSD.esp  [Version 2.0]AA  ProgressMBSP.esp  [Version 2.0]AB  ProgressSBSP.esp  [Version 1.0]AC  ProgressRBSP.esp  [Version 1.0]AD  ProgressRacial.espAE  ProgressArmorer.esp  [Version 1.0]AF  ProgressMercantile.esp  [Version 1.11]B0  RealisticLeveling.espB1  Mayu's Animation Overhaul.esp++  Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp  [Version 0.78]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]B2  CuteElf11.esp  [Version 1.3.5]B3  _Ren_BeautyPack_full.espB4  CM Partners.espB5  CM Partners Special NPCs.espB6  CM Partners NPC.espB7  CM Partners More NPCs.espB8  CM Partners Marker NPCs.espB9  CM Partners Extra NPCs.espBA  1em_Vilja.esp  [Version 3.0]BB  RhiannaII-essential.espBC  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]BD  bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp  [Version 1.68EV]BE  bgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.esp  [Version 1.68UV]BF  KT_CustomRaceFix.espC0  No More Annoying Messages.esp  [Version 1.3]C1  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp  [Version 1.68]C2  bgMagicLightningbolt.espC3  Get Wet.espC4  UnnecessaryViolence.espC5  Real Hunger, Cobl.esp  [Version 1.6.1]++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]C6  Bashed Patch, 0.espC7  Streamline 3.1.espC8  VeronaHouse120.espC9  HentaiLovelyHouse.espCA  HentaiSeraphimArmour.espCB  EM_RedRoseManor.espCC  R18PN - Fiona Armor.espCD  Exnem_Goddess_Armor.espCE  1em_Vilja MMM FCOM Fix.espCF  HUD Status Bars.esp  [Version 4.1.1]D0  Zira's Horse Modpack - Extra Horses.espD1  Zira's Horse Modpack - Armored Legion Horses.espD2  Zira's Horse Modpack - Heavy Legion Horses.espD3  Zira's Horse Modpack - Shadowmere.espD4  Zira's Horse Modpack - Friesian Horses.espD5  Zira's Horse Modpack - More Horses.espD6  SP1stPLegs.espD7  Deadly Reflex 6 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.espD8  Mounted_Spellcasting_Deadly_Reflex_Compatible.espD9  DRSplatter.espDA  DeadlyReflex 6 - Combat Moves.esp

EDIT: So I tried another approach, and this time it actually crashed while still inside the ship.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:27 am

I have been up all night installing Unnecessary Violence and Deadly Reflex, making them work with FCOM. Once I get a working game (or what I thought was one) I rebuilt my bash patch and entered the game. Started a new save, and it works fine up until a certain point. I am using an alternate start mod by Robert Evrae, and I think that might be a part of the problem. I am fine inside the ship, but once I confirm my chargen and leave the ship, I crash within 10 seconds.

I'm wondering if you guys can give me a hand here, let me know what my problem is. And maybe even give me a few pointers to fine tune this loadout. XD

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 0.9.9]02  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]03  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]04  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]05  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]06  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]07  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]08  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]09  BathingMod_Base.esm0A  Progress.esm  [Version 2.2]0B  CM Partners.esm0C  HorseCombatMaster.esm0D  UnnecessaryViolence.esm0E  TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp0F  TNR - ShiveringIsles.esp10  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.6]11  UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp  [Version 1.0.0]12  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp13  DLCShiveringIsles.esp14  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]15  SM Plugin Refurbish - SI.esp  [Version 1.30]16  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp17  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp18  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp19  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp++  Francesco's Dark Seducer Weapons Patch.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1A  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1B  Fran Armor Add-on.esp1C  Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp++  LoadingScreens.esp1D  Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp1E  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1F  All Natural.esp  [Version 0.9.9]20  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  All Natural - Enhanced Weather.esp  [Version Final]21  Enhanced Water v2.0 HDMI.esp22  PowerAttack Voicemod - The Shivering Isles.esp  [Version v1.32]23  Cities Alive At Night.esp24  WindowLightingSystem.esp25  Akatosh Mount By Saiden Storm.esp26  Chapel Tithe.esp++  CM_Better Wine.esp++  Cyrodilic Brandy.esp27  Inebriation.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.78]28  kuerteeSittableRocks.esp29  MM_TextLocks.esp2A  Maigrets Pet Fox.esp2B  phinix_master_summon.esp2C  Portable Campsite.esp2D  Q - More and Moldy Ingredients v1.1.esp2E  ReneerVariedNPCsMod.esp2F  SoT_Holiday.esp30  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 4.0.6]31  FF_Real_Thirst.esp32  Choices and Consequences.esp  [Version 2.02]33  kuerteeIgnoringTheMainQuestHasConsequences.esp34  DLCHorseArmor.esp35  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]36  SM Plugin Refurbish - HorseArmor.esp  [Version 1.11]37  DLCOrrery.esp38  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]39  SM Plugin Refurbish - Orrery.esp  [Version 1.11]3A  DLCVileLair.esp3B  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]++  SM Plugin Refurbish - VileLair.esp  [Version 1.21]3C  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp3D  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]3E  SM Plugin Refurbish - MehrunesRazor.esp  [Version 1.30]3F  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]40  Adonnays Classical Weaponry.esp41  Adonnays Elven Weaponry.esp42  AW_Wings.esp  [Version 1]43  ArmamentariumArmor.esp44  Chapel Shop.esp45  DMACArmor.esp46  Dreadweave Complete_Light.esp47  Eternal Dragon Armor Heavy.esp48  UFF Lady Shadow.esp49  GizmodianSorceress.esp4A  AncientTowers.esp4B  DLCThievesDen.esp4C  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]4D  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]4E  SM Plugin Refurbish - ThievesDen.esp  [Version 1.30]4F  KDCircletsOOOOptimized - NPC Equip.esp  [Version 1.2]++  FCOM_KDCircletsOOOOptimizedNPCEquip.esp  [Version 0.9.9]50  ExnemRuneskulls.esp++  FCOM_ExnemRuneskulls.esp  [Version 0.9.9]51  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]52  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]53  FF_Real_Thirst, Cobl.esp54  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]++  FCOM_Cobl.esp  [Version 0.9.9]55  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp56  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]57  Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp++  FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp  [Version 0.9.9]58  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.08a]59  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]5A  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]++  OOO-Water_Weeds.esp  [Version 1.33]5B  OMOBS.esp  [Version 1.0]5C  OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 1.0]5D  OMOBS Optional Combat Settings.esp  [Version 1.0]5E  Choices and Consequences - OOO.esp  [Version 2.0]5F  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp  [Version 0.9.9beta2]60  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]61  FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_SpawnRatesReduced.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]62  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life No Gates.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_SaferRoads.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_LessReaversInGates.esp  [Version 0.9.9]63  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]64  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]65  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]66  Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]67  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]68  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  TamrielTravellerAdvScript.esp  [Version 1.39c]69  TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp  [Version 1.39c]6A  TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp  [Version 1.39c]6B  ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp  [Version 1.39c]++  FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]6C  FCOM_Archery.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_ArcheryRealSwords.esp  [Version 2]6D  FCOM_ArcheryHunting&Crafting.esp  [Version 1]6E  FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp  [Version 0.9.9]6F  FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FineWeapons for OOO.esp70  RustyItems for OOO.esp71  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]72  adTreeHome.esp73  BeldaElysium.esp74  Castle_Highrock.esp75  eyja.esp76  Nascosto Isles 3.esp77  Satu Ra - Lord of Beasts.esp78  Servant of the Dawn.esp79  SkyCastle.esp7A  TempleofNirn.esp7B  The Ayleid Steps.esp  [Version 3.4]7C  Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp7D  za_bankmod.esp7E  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp7F  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]80  SM Plugin Refurbish - Battlehorn.esp  [Version 1.30]81  DLCFrostcrag.esp82  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]83  SM Plugin Refurbish - Frostcrag.esp  [Version 1.2]84  Knights.esp85  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]++  SM Plugin Refurbish - Knights.esp  [Version 1.06]86  Choices and Consequences - SM Plugin Refurbish - Orrery.esp  [Version 2.0]87  TOTF.esp88  The Lost Spires.esp89  Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp8A  HoarfrostCastle.esp8B  Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]8C  mythsandlegends.esp++  FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp  [Version 0.9.9]8D  Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp8E  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]8F  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]90  DropLitTorchOBSE.esp  [Version 2.4]91  Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 DT.esp92  Exterior Actors Have Torches 1.3 DT.esp93  ReneerNPCNameMod.esp94  kuerteeGoldIsAnInventoryItem.esp95  Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp  [Version 3.08]96  Quest Award Leveling.esp97  Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp98  BathingMod_Soap.esp99  BathingMod_Bathroom_Upgrades.esp9A  BathingMod_Placeable_Bathtubs.esp9B  OWE&P -NW.esp9C  RealisticFatigue.esp9D  RealisticHealth.esp9E  RealisticForceMedium.esp9F  RealisticMagicForceLow.espA0  PC Sleep Disrober.esp  [Version -03]A1  RealSleepExtended.esp  [Version 2.4.1]A2  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.90]A3  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_DLCSpellTome.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_OOO.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_MMM.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_COBL.esp  [Version 0.90]A4  SM_EnchantStaff.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_Scrolls.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_SigilStone.esp  [Version 0.90]A5  MidasSpells.espA6  Syc_AtHomeAlchemy_No_Bounty_v2.espA7  attack and hide medium v2.1.espA8  No psychic guards harder v1.2.espA9  ProgressGSD.esp  [Version 2.0]AA  ProgressMBSP.esp  [Version 2.0]AB  ProgressSBSP.esp  [Version 1.0]AC  ProgressRBSP.esp  [Version 1.0]AD  ProgressRacial.espAE  ProgressArmorer.esp  [Version 1.0]AF  ProgressMercantile.esp  [Version 1.11]B0  RealisticLeveling.espB1  Mayu's Animation Overhaul.esp++  Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp  [Version 0.78]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]B2  CuteElf11.esp  [Version 1.3.5]B3  _Ren_BeautyPack_full.espB4  CM Partners.espB5  CM Partners Special NPCs.espB6  CM Partners NPC.espB7  CM Partners More NPCs.espB8  CM Partners Marker NPCs.espB9  CM Partners Extra NPCs.espBA  1em_Vilja.esp  [Version 3.0]BB  RhiannaII-essential.espBC  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]BD  bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp  [Version 1.68EV]BE  bgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.esp  [Version 1.68UV]BF  KT_CustomRaceFix.espC0  No More Annoying Messages.esp  [Version 1.3]C1  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp  [Version 1.68]C2  bgMagicLightningbolt.espC3  Get Wet.espC4  UnnecessaryViolence.espC5  Real Hunger, Cobl.esp  [Version 1.6.1]++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]C6  Bashed Patch, 0.espC7  Streamline 3.1.espC8  VeronaHouse120.espC9  HentaiLovelyHouse.espCA  HentaiSeraphimArmour.espCB  EM_RedRoseManor.espCC  R18PN - Fiona Armor.espCD  Exnem_Goddess_Armor.espCE  1em_Vilja MMM FCOM Fix.espCF  HUD Status Bars.esp  [Version 4.1.1]D0  Zira's Horse Modpack - Extra Horses.espD1  Zira's Horse Modpack - Armored Legion Horses.espD2  Zira's Horse Modpack - Heavy Legion Horses.espD3  Zira's Horse Modpack - Shadowmere.espD4  Zira's Horse Modpack - Friesian Horses.espD5  Zira's Horse Modpack - More Horses.espD6  SP1stPLegs.espD7  Deadly Reflex 6 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.espD8  Mounted_Spellcasting_Deadly_Reflex_Compatible.espD9  DRSplatter.espDA  DeadlyReflex 6 - Combat Moves.esp

Its pretty clear you have not ran BOSS. Also be sure to "select all" mods in BASH and right click and "mark mergeable" then rebuild patch (after running BOSS).

You will need to remove - 66 Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp

Your All Natural is at version 0.99???? Its up to 1.3 now. Update that.

8E Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0]
++ Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0]
++ Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp [Version 3.0.0]
8F Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp [Version 3.0.0]

Update these to current version.

EDIT: Remove this - 5D OMOBS Optional Combat Settings.esp [Version 1.0]

Also I dont see the SM_DeadlyReflex esp. Rerun the Supreme Magicka OMOD and it will put it there.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:19 am

Indeed. BOSS will not only organise your load order properly, but tell you many things you need to know. Make sure you read the results, once it's run, thoroughly. Follow the advice there.

If it's still not working for you then, try posting again.

edit: And I can assure you, FCOM works perfectly well with that alternative start mod. And with others, but anyway...

» Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:49 pm

D9 DRSplatter.esp

Check the thread for DR6 a lot have problems with that installed.

When I had that installed in a stable FCOM Build I had server slowdowns and constant crashing...Removed that and am back to Stable. yesterday was a new record for me 9 hours straight no crash! This is an FCOM +++ (224 Mods total).

» Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:22 pm

D9 DRSplatter.esp

Check the thread for DR6 a lot have problems with that installed.

When I had that installed in a stable FCOM Build I had server slowdowns and constant crashing...Removed that and am back to Stable. yesterday was a new record for me 9 hours straight no crash! This is an FCOM +++ (224 Mods total).

Thanks for the info guys. Before I posted here in the first place I went through and used BOSS and rebuilt my bash patch. I followed all the instructions given to me by BOSS, so I wasn't missing anything there.

JoelRadar, thanks for pointing that out. I installed DR after SM, so that might be an issue. I noticed that it tends to crash if I attempt to do anything that brings up DR's animations.

I deactivated DRSplatter, I don't need the extra blood anyways. Thanks camaro.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:42 am

Would it help if I posted the BOSS list? Then you guys can tell me what I am doing wrong. Because it isn't sorting a lot of my mods.

Spoiler

DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp . Note: Possible conflict with Frostcrag Reborn. Do not use both or land tearing will occur. . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:C.Name,C.Owner}} and remove the C.Climate tagSM Plugin Refurbish - FrostCrag.esp . Conflicts with: 'CDM-CGO Compatibility plugins'.Knights.espKnights - Unofficial Patch.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:C.Light,Invent,Names,Relev,Stats}}SM Plugin Refurbish - Knights.esp . Conflicts with: 'CDM-CGO Compatibility plugins'.Choices and Consequences - SM Plugin Refurbish - Orrery.espTOTF.espThe Lost Spires.espLost Paladins of the Divines.espHoarfrostCastle.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Hair}}Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp . Better Cities Specific Note: Incompatible with BC - City Defences.FCOM_Knights.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Delev,Factions,Relations,Relev}} . Requires: DLC 'Knights.esp'.mythsandlegends.esp . Note: May cause NPCs to generate the message "The ghosts mouth moves but you cannot hear what he says."FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp . Requires: 'Fran Armor Add-on.esp' from 'Unofficial Francesco's Armor'.Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp . Note: Put before Unique Landscape mods to return tree sizes there to normal.Harvest [Flora].esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Scripts}}Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.espHarvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.espHarvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.espDropLitTorchOBSE.espDungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 DT.espExterior Actors Have Torches 1.3 DT.espkuerteeInventoryIsABackpack.espReneerNPCNameMod.espkuerteeGoldIsAnInventoryItem.esp . Note: Use only one gold in your inventory type mod.Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp . Note: MAY cause CTDs. Cause uncertain despite extensive debugging. Disableif experiencing a persistant crash.Quest Award Leveling.espAlternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Relations}}BathingMod_Soap.espBathingMod_Bathroom_Upgrades.espBathingMod_Placeable_Bathtubs.espOWE&P -NW.espRealisticFatigue.espNoHealingDuringWait.espRealisticHealth.espRealisticForceMedium.espRealisticMagicForceLow.espPC Sleep Disrober.espRealSleepExtended.espSupremeMagicka.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Names,Graphics}}SM_ShiveringIsles.espSM_DLCSpellTome.espSM_OOO.espSM_MMM.espSM_COBL.espSM_EnchantStaff.espSM_Scrolls.espSM_SigilStone.espMidasSpells.espSyc_AtHomeAlchemy_No_Bounty_v2.espattack and hide medium v2.1.espNo psychic guards harder v1.2.espCombat Fumbling.espSM_DeadlyReflex.espProgressGSD.espProgressMBSP.espprogressSBSP.espProgressRBSP.espProgressRacial.espProgressArmorer.espProgressMercantile.espRealisticLeveling.espMayu's Animation Overhaul.esp . Note: Highly recommended to use the MAO patcher in Wrye Bash version 275+Let There Be Darkness - Cyrodiil + SI.esp . Requires: Shivering Isles. . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:C.Light}}Let There Be Darkness - Knights.esp . Requires: Knights of the Nine. . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:C.Light}}Let There Be Darkness - Mehrunes Razor.esp . Requires: Mehrunes Razor DLC . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:C.Light}}Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Delev,Filter,IIM,Invent,Relev,Deactivate}} . Requires: Bashed PatchMart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Body-M,Body-F,R.Relations}}_Ren_BeautyPack_onlyhairs.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Hair,Deactivate}}CuteElf11.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:NpcFaces,Hair,Eyes,Graphics}}_Ren_BeautyPack_full.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:NpcFaces,Hair,Eyes,Graphics}}CM Partners.espCM Partners Special NPCs.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Hair,Eyes}}CM Partners NPC.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Hair,Eyes}}CM Partners More NPCs.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Hair,Eyes}}CM Partners Marker NPCs.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Hair,Eyes}}CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Hair,Eyes}}1em_Vilja.espRhiannaII-essential.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Hair,Eyes}}bgMagicEV.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Names,Delev,Relev}} if you are runningmore than one magic overhaul and want to use LAME spell names. . Note: Move Supreme Magica after LAME if you want Supreme Magica spell stats.bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.espbgMagicItemSigil.espbgMagicEVStartspells.espbgMagicEVAddEnVar.espbgMagicEVPaperChase.espbgMagicAlchemy.espbgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.espKT_CustomRaceFix.esp . Note: Included in UOP v2.x or newer. Both should not be used at once. Use UOP.Better Cities Full.espBetter Cities - Tears of the Fiend.espBetter Imperial City.espBetter Imperial City FPS Patch.esp . Note: Only use if using Better Imperial City.espBetter Cities - COBL.espBetter Cities Full FPS Patch.espNo More Annoying Messages.espbgMagicEVShader.espbgMagicShaderLifeDetect.espbgMagicLightningbolt.espGet Wet.espUnnecessaryViolence.espReal Hunger, Cobl.esp . Note: Realistic hunger mods and vampire mods may conflict seriously.Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH: Filter,Deactivate}}All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Filter,C.Climate,Deactivate}}Bashed Patch, 0.espStreamline 3.1.esp-----------------------------------------------------------------Unrecognised mod files:Reorder these by hand using your favourite mod ordering utility.-----------------------------------------------------------------Unknown mod file: VeronaHouse120.espUnknown mod file: Better Cities - Open Better Cities.espUnknown mod file: Better Cities - All Natural.espUnknown mod file: Better Cities - The Lost Spires.espUnknown mod file: MSE Hairs And Eyes 03.espUnknown mod file: HentaiLovelyHouse.espUnknown mod file: HentaiSeraphimArmour.espUnknown mod file: EM_RedRoseManor.espUnknown mod file: R18PN - Fiona Armor.espUnknown mod file: Exnem_Goddess_Armor.espUnknown mod file: Deadly Reflex 6 - Timed block and 150% damage.espUnknown mod file: Deadly Reflex 6 - Timed Block and 250% damage.espUnknown mod file: 1em_Vilja MMM FCOM Fix.espUnknown mod file: HUD Status Bars.espUnknown mod file: Zira's Horse Modpack - Extra Horses.espUnknown mod file: Zira's Horse Modpack - Armored Legion Horses.espUnknown mod file: Zira's Horse Modpack - My Horses.espUnknown mod file: Zira's Horse Modpack - Heavy Legion Horses.espUnknown mod file: Zira's Horse Modpack - Shadowmere.espUnknown mod file: Zira's Horse Modpack - Friesian Horses.espUnknown mod file: Zira's Horse Modpack - More Horses.espUnknown mod file: SP1stPLegs.espUnknown mod file: Deadly Reflex 6 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.espUnknown mod file: Mounted_Spellcasting_Deadly_Reflex_Compatible.espUnknown mod file: DRSplatter.espUnknown mod file: DeadlyReflex 6 - Combat Moves.espUnknown mod file: All Natural - MMM Patch.esp-----------------------------------------------------------Done.

» Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:52 pm

Deactivate EVERYTHING except the core FCOM components first. If you still crash, you can attribute this to an FCOM installation error.

If not, add everything back one by one until you find the culprit mod.

» Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:56 pm

Would it help if I posted the BOSS list? Then you guys can tell me what I am doing wrong. Because it isn't sorting a lot of my mods.

Spoiler

DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp . Note: Possible conflict with Frostcrag Reborn. Do not use both or land tearing will occur. . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:C.Name,C.Owner}} and remove the C.Climate tagSM Plugin Refurbish - FrostCrag.esp . Conflicts with: 'CDM-CGO Compatibility plugins'.Knights.espKnights - Unofficial Patch.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:C.Light,Invent,Names,Relev,Stats}}SM Plugin Refurbish - Knights.esp . Conflicts with: 'CDM-CGO Compatibility plugins'.Choices and Consequences - SM Plugin Refurbish - Orrery.espTOTF.espThe Lost Spires.espLost Paladins of the Divines.espHoarfrostCastle.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Hair}}Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp . Better Cities Specific Note: Incompatible with BC - City Defences.FCOM_Knights.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Delev,Factions,Relations,Relev}} . Requires: DLC 'Knights.esp'.mythsandlegends.esp . Note: May cause NPCs to generate the message "The ghosts mouth moves but you cannot hear what he says."FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp . Requires: 'Fran Armor Add-on.esp' from 'Unofficial Francesco's Armor'.Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp . Note: Put before Unique Landscape mods to return tree sizes there to normal.Harvest [Flora].esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Scripts}}Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.espHarvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.espHarvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.espDropLitTorchOBSE.espDungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 DT.espExterior Actors Have Torches 1.3 DT.espkuerteeInventoryIsABackpack.espReneerNPCNameMod.espkuerteeGoldIsAnInventoryItem.esp . Note: Use only one gold in your inventory type mod.Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp . Note: MAY cause CTDs. Cause uncertain despite extensive debugging. Disableif experiencing a persistant crash.Quest Award Leveling.espAlternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Relations}}BathingMod_Soap.espBathingMod_Bathroom_Upgrades.espBathingMod_Placeable_Bathtubs.espOWE&P -NW.espRealisticFatigue.espNoHealingDuringWait.espRealisticHealth.espRealisticForceMedium.espRealisticMagicForceLow.espPC Sleep Disrober.espRealSleepExtended.espSupremeMagicka.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Names,Graphics}}SM_ShiveringIsles.espSM_DLCSpellTome.espSM_OOO.espSM_MMM.espSM_COBL.espSM_EnchantStaff.espSM_Scrolls.espSM_SigilStone.espMidasSpells.espSyc_AtHomeAlchemy_No_Bounty_v2.espattack and hide medium v2.1.espNo psychic guards harder v1.2.espCombat Fumbling.espSM_DeadlyReflex.espProgressGSD.espProgressMBSP.espprogressSBSP.espProgressRBSP.espProgressRacial.espProgressArmorer.espProgressMercantile.espRealisticLeveling.espMayu's Animation Overhaul.esp . Note: Highly recommended to use the MAO patcher in Wrye Bash version 275+Let There Be Darkness - Cyrodiil + SI.esp . Requires: Shivering Isles. . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:C.Light}}Let There Be Darkness - Knights.esp . Requires: Knights of the Nine. . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:C.Light}}Let There Be Darkness - Mehrunes Razor.esp . Requires: Mehrunes Razor DLC . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:C.Light}}Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Delev,Filter,IIM,Invent,Relev,Deactivate}} . Requires: Bashed PatchMart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Body-M,Body-F,R.Relations}}_Ren_BeautyPack_onlyhairs.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Hair,Deactivate}}CuteElf11.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:NpcFaces,Hair,Eyes,Graphics}}_Ren_BeautyPack_full.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:NpcFaces,Hair,Eyes,Graphics}}CM Partners.espCM Partners Special NPCs.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Hair,Eyes}}CM Partners NPC.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Hair,Eyes}}CM Partners More NPCs.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Hair,Eyes}}CM Partners Marker NPCs.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Hair,Eyes}}CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Hair,Eyes}}1em_Vilja.espRhiannaII-essential.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Hair,Eyes}}bgMagicEV.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Names,Delev,Relev}} if you are runningmore than one magic overhaul and want to use LAME spell names. . Note: Move Supreme Magica after LAME if you want Supreme Magica spell stats.bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.espbgMagicItemSigil.espbgMagicEVStartspells.espbgMagicEVAddEnVar.espbgMagicEVPaperChase.espbgMagicAlchemy.espbgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.espKT_CustomRaceFix.esp . Note: Included in UOP v2.x or newer. Both should not be used at once. Use UOP.Better Cities Full.espBetter Cities - Tears of the Fiend.espBetter Imperial City.espBetter Imperial City FPS Patch.esp . Note: Only use if using Better Imperial City.espBetter Cities - COBL.espBetter Cities Full FPS Patch.espNo More Annoying Messages.espbgMagicEVShader.espbgMagicShaderLifeDetect.espbgMagicLightningbolt.espGet Wet.espUnnecessaryViolence.espReal Hunger, Cobl.esp . Note: Realistic hunger mods and vampire mods may conflict seriously.Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH: Filter,Deactivate}}All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp . Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Filter,C.Climate,Deactivate}}Bashed Patch, 0.espStreamline 3.1.esp-----------------------------------------------------------------Unrecognised mod files:Reorder these by hand using your favourite mod ordering utility.-----------------------------------------------------------------Unknown mod file: VeronaHouse120.espUnknown mod file: Better Cities - Open Better Cities.espUnknown mod file: Better Cities - All Natural.espUnknown mod file: Better Cities - The Lost Spires.espUnknown mod file: MSE Hairs And Eyes 03.espUnknown mod file: HentaiLovelyHouse.espUnknown mod file: HentaiSeraphimArmour.espUnknown mod file: EM_RedRoseManor.espUnknown mod file: R18PN - Fiona Armor.espUnknown mod file: Exnem_Goddess_Armor.espUnknown mod file: Deadly Reflex 6 - Timed block and 150% damage.espUnknown mod file: Deadly Reflex 6 - Timed Block and 250% damage.espUnknown mod file: 1em_Vilja MMM FCOM Fix.espUnknown mod file: HUD Status Bars.espUnknown mod file: Zira's Horse Modpack - Extra Horses.espUnknown mod file: Zira's Horse Modpack - Armored Legion Horses.espUnknown mod file: Zira's Horse Modpack - My Horses.espUnknown mod file: Zira's Horse Modpack - Heavy Legion Horses.espUnknown mod file: Zira's Horse Modpack - Shadowmere.espUnknown mod file: Zira's Horse Modpack - Friesian Horses.espUnknown mod file: Zira's Horse Modpack - More Horses.espUnknown mod file: SP1stPLegs.espUnknown mod file: Deadly Reflex 6 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.espUnknown mod file: Mounted_Spellcasting_Deadly_Reflex_Compatible.espUnknown mod file: DRSplatter.espUnknown mod file: DeadlyReflex 6 - Combat Moves.espUnknown mod file: All Natural - MMM Patch.esp-----------------------------------------------------------Done.

Are you using BOSS 1.65 and are you allowing it to download the most current Masterlist from the Google Code Repository? When I joined this Forum I did have an outdated version of BOSS and it placed Streamline at the very bottom of my LO, this is your biggest problem-update BOSS.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:17 am

You need to update your master list, it's out of date.

ninja'd!

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:20 am

I had to reinstall BOSS, it wasn't working apparently. Something about Wrye Bash was making it miss stuff. I went through the new list and there are a ton of mods that need cleaning, even official DLCs. Is that normal? I haven't opened the CS once, and the DLCs are straight from Bethesda's website.

And I know that the FCOM install I have is fairly stable. The crashing within a few minutes started to occur after I installed UV, DR, and CM partners.

EDIT: I downloaded TES4Edit in order to clean the mods. Any tips before I do?

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:09 am

Turn off "Lock Times" in Bash when you run BOSS.

If you want tips for cleaning mods, http://cs.elderscrolls.com/constwiki/index.php/TES4Edit_Cleaning_Guide and study the lists compiled there. That should let you know what you need to do and what mods you have that need to be cleaned.

Yes, the DLCs need to be cleaned. Remember, Bethesda made those mods on the same buggy Construction Set that we have, and are subject to the same rules.

» Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:26 pm

I had to reinstall BOSS, it wasn't working apparently. Something about Wrye Bash was making it miss stuff. I went through the new list and there are a ton of mods that need cleaning, even official DLCs. Is that normal? I haven't opened the CS once, and the DLCs are straight from Bethesda's website.

And I know that the FCOM install I have is fairly stable. The crashing within a few minutes started to occur after I installed UV, DR, and CM partners.

Yes, this is normal for BOSS now. You do not need to clean the Bethesda content if you do not want. A list of mods that have been cleaned is maintained on this forum by Thomas Kaira and Others, it is a good place to look to see if a clean version of a mod you have downloaded is available.
You should be able to allow BOSS to override Lock Times when it is run by enabling this function when you left click on the File header in the Wrye Bash Mods tab.
EDIT Ninja'd added File to File header.

» Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:36 pm

Yes, this is normal for BOSS now. You do not need to clean the Bethesda content if you do not want. A list of mods that have been cleaned is maintained on this forum by Thomas Kaira and Others, it is a good place to look to see if a clean version of a mod you have downloaded is available.
You should be able to allow BOSS to override Lock Times when it is run by enabling this function when you left click on the header in the Wrye Bash Mods tab.
EDIT Ninja'd

I should've known that about the lock times; I spent years working with Wrye Mash. lol Thanks for pointing that out. Also, thank you for pointing out the list of clean mods. I seriously hope that the end result is worth all of this trouble.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:23 am

So, everything has been cleaned. But when I run BOSS it still says that they all need cleaning.

And I still get random crashes. In 3 tries I made it between 10 and 25 minutes before the crash.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:09 am

BOSS can't tell if the mods are clean or not, it is only letting you know that the mod was not cleaned before it was released.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:00 pm

So, everything has been cleaned. But when I run BOSS it still says that they all need cleaning.

And I still get random crashes. In 3 tries I made it between 10 and 25 minutes before the crash.

BOSS does not detect if the mod in your Load Order is clean, it justs lists mods that need to be cleaned. You have Streamline, turn off the save on wait/travel/rest in Gameplay options for Oblivion, then enable Streamsave by pressing the right CTRL/Home key to bring up the Streamline in game menu. Use Oblivion Stutter Remover. Did you use the link in Thomas Kairas' last post as a guide for what to clean and what not to clean?
EDIT ninja'd again.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:18 am

BOSS does not detect if the mod in your Load Order is clean, it justs lists mods that need to be cleaned. You have Streamline, turn off the save on wait/travel/rest in Gameplay options for Oblivion, then enable Streamsave by pressing the right CTRL/Home key to bring up the Streamline in game menu. Use Oblivion Stutter Remover. Did you use the link in Thomas Kairas' last post as a guide for what to clean and what not to clean?
EDIT ninja'd again.

Yup, I used the guide. I don't get why it is crashing, but somewhere along the way I must have messed up. I'd hate to go through the whole thing and reconfigure. Took me 20 straight hours last time.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:28 am

Yup, I used the guide. I don't get why it is crashing, but somewhere along the way I must have messed up. I'd hate to go through the whole thing and reconfigure. Took me 20 straight hours last time.

Repost your newest load order. Its possible someone might see something you dont. Some crashes can happen by checking the wrong thing in the bashed patch as well.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:14 am

Repost your newest load order. Its possible someone might see something you dont. Some crashes can happen by checking the wrong thing in the bashed patch as well.

K, here it is.

Spoiler

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SI.esp  [Version 1.3]1E  All Natural - MMM Patch.esp  [Version 1.3]1F  Enhanced Water v2.0 HDMI.esp20  PowerAttack Voicemod - The Shivering Isles.esp  [Version v1.32]21  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.3]22  Cities Alive At Night.esp23  WindowLightingSystem.esp24  Akatosh Mount By Saiden Storm.esp25  Chapel Tithe.esp++  Cyrodilic Brandy.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.78]26  MM_TextLocks.esp27  Maigrets Pet Fox.esp28  phinix_master_summon.esp29  Portable Campsite.esp2A  Q - More and Moldy Ingredients v1.1.esp2B  ReneerVariedNPCsMod.esp2C  SoT_Holiday.esp2D  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 4.0.6]2E  FF_Real_Thirst.esp2F  Choices and Consequences.esp  [Version 2.02]30  kuerteeIgnoringTheMainQuestHasConsequences.esp31  DropLitTorchOBSE.esp  [Version 2.4]32  Get Wet.esp33  kuerteeSittableRocks.esp34  Streamline 3.1.esp35  DLCHorseArmor.esp36  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]37  SM Plugin Refurbish - HorseArmor.esp  [Version 1.11]38  DLCOrrery.esp39  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]3A  SM Plugin Refurbish - Orrery.esp  [Version 1.11]3B  DLCVileLair.esp3C  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]++  SM Plugin Refurbish - VileLair.esp  [Version 1.21]3D  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp3E  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]3F  SM Plugin Refurbish - MehrunesRazor.esp  [Version 1.30]40  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]41  Adonnays Classical Weaponry.esp42  Adonnays Elven Weaponry.esp43  AW_Wings.esp  [Version 1]44  ArmamentariumArmor.esp45  Chapel Shop.esp++  CM_Better Wine.esp46  DMACArmor.esp47  Dreadweave Complete_Light.esp48  Eternal Dragon Armor Heavy.esp49  HentaiSeraphimArmour.esp4A  UFF Lady Shadow.esp4B  Exnem_Goddess_Armor.esp4C  R18PN - Fiona Armor.esp4D  GizmodianSorceress.esp4E  Zira's Horse Modpack - Heavy Legion Horses.esp4F  Zira's Horse Modpack - Friesian Horses.esp50  Zira's Horse Modpack - Shadowmere.esp51  Zira's Horse Modpack - Extra Horses.esp52  Zira's Horse Modpack - More Horses.esp53  AncientTowers.esp54  DLCThievesDen.esp55  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]56  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]57  SM Plugin Refurbish - ThievesDen.esp  [Version 1.30]58  KDCircletsOOOOptimized - NPC Equip.esp  [Version 1.2]++  FCOM_KDCircletsOOOOptimizedNPCEquip.esp  [Version 0.9.9]59  ExnemRuneskulls.esp++  FCOM_ExnemRuneskulls.esp  [Version 0.9.9]5A  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]5B  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]5C  FF_Real_Thirst, Cobl.esp5D  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp5E  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]5F  Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp++  FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp  [Version 0.9.9]60  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.08a]61  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]62  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]++  OOO-Water_Weeds.esp  [Version 1.33]63  Choices and Consequences - OOO.esp  [Version 2.0]64  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]++  FCOM_Cobl.esp  [Version 0.9.9]65  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp  [Version 0.9.9beta2]66  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]67  FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_SpawnRatesReduced.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]68  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life No Gates.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_SaferRoads.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_LessReaversInGates.esp  [Version 0.9.9]69  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]6A  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]6B  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]6C  Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]6D  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]6E  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  TamrielTravellerAdvScript.esp  [Version 1.39c]6F  TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp  [Version 1.39c]70  TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp  [Version 1.39c]71  ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp  [Version 1.39c]++  FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_ArcheryRealSwords.esp  [Version 2]72  FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FineWeapons for OOO.esp73  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]74  adTreeHome.esp75  BeldaElysium.esp76  Castle_Highrock.esp77  EM_RedRoseManor.esp78  HentaiLovelyHouse.esp79  Nascosto Isles 3.esp7A  All Natural - Nascosto Isles Weather Patch.esp  [Version 2.0]7B  Satu Ra - Lord of Beasts.esp7C  Servant of the Dawn.esp7D  SkyCastle.esp7E  TempleofNirn.esp7F  The Ayleid Steps.esp  [Version 3.4]80  Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp81  za_bankmod.esp82  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp83  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]84  SM Plugin Refurbish - Battlehorn.esp  [Version 1.30]85  DLCFrostcrag.esp86  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]87  SM Plugin Refurbish - Frostcrag.esp  [Version 1.2]88  Knights.esp89  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]++  SM Plugin Refurbish - Knights.esp  [Version 1.06]8A  Choices and Consequences - SM Plugin Refurbish - Orrery.esp  [Version 2.0]8B  TOTF.esp8C  The Lost Spires.esp8D  Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp8E  HoarfrostCastle.esp8F  Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]90  mythsandlegends.esp++  FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp  [Version 0.9.9]91  Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp92  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]93  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]94  HUD Status Bars.esp  [Version 4.1.1]95  Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 DT.esp96  Exterior Actors Have Torches 1.3 DT.esp97  ReneerNPCNameMod.esp98  kuerteeGoldIsAnInventoryItem.esp99  Quest Award Leveling.esp9A  Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp9B  BathingMod_Soap.esp9C  BathingMod_Bathroom_Upgrades.esp9D  BathingMod_Placeable_Bathtubs.esp9E  RealisticFatigue.esp9F  RealisticHealth.espA0  RealisticForceMedium.espA1  PC Sleep Disrober.esp  [Version -03]A2  RealSleepExtended.esp  [Version 2.4.1]A3  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]A4  bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp  [Version 1.68EV]A5  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.90]A6  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_DLCSpellTome.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_OOO.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_MMM.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_COBL.esp  [Version 0.90]A7  SM_EnchantStaff.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_Scrolls.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_SigilStone.esp  [Version 0.90]A8  MidasSpells.espA9  Syc_AtHomeAlchemy_No_Bounty_v2.espAA  attack and hide medium v2.1.espAB  No psychic guards harder v1.2.espAC  Deadly Reflex 6 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.espAD  Mounted_Spellcasting_Deadly_Reflex_Compatible.espAE  ProgressGSD.esp  [Version 2.0]AF  ProgressSBSP.esp  [Version 1.0]B0  ProgressRBSP.esp  [Version 1.0]B1  ProgressRacial.espB2  ProgressArmorer.esp  [Version 1.0]B3  ProgressMercantile.esp  [Version 1.11]B4  RealisticLeveling.espB5  SP1stPLegs.esp++  Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp  [Version 0.78]B6  CM Partners.espB7  CuteElf11.esp  [Version 1.3.5]B8  _Ren_BeautyPack_full.espB9  eyja.espBA  CM Partners Special NPCs.espBB  CM Partners NPC.espBC  CM Partners More NPCs.espBD  CM Partners Marker NPCs.espBE  CM Partners Extra NPCs.espBF  1em_Vilja.esp  [Version 3.0]C0  1em_Vilja MMM FCOM Fix.espC1  RhiannaII-essential.esp++  Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]C2  No More Annoying Messages.esp  [Version 1.3]++  bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp  [Version 1.68]C3  bgMagicLightningbolt.espC4  UnnecessaryViolence.espC5  DeadlyReflex 6 - Combat Moves.esp++  SM_DeadlyReflex.esp  [Version 0.90]C6  Real Hunger, Cobl.esp  [Version 1.6.1]++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]C7  Bashed Patch, 0.esp----> Delinquent MASTER: OWE&P -NW.espC8  OWE&P -NW.espC9  VeronaHouse120.espCA  Zira's Horse Modpack - Armored Legion Horses.esp

Now, I know that BOSS puts Supreme Magicka before BGMagic in the loading order, but I want SM stats for my magic. And oddly, the bathing mod caused a glitch after I did that. The one day without bathing message came up on the top corner, and never left, even after reloading a save. Had to actually exit the game to get it to go away. It also took away all magic, so I was unable to cast anything. Again, that went away after the restarting the game.

EDIT: Just noticed something. The SM refurbish plugin for SI and Knights is actually loaded before the SM esp. Would that cause any glitches? BOSS put them there.

EDIT 2: So the game crashes in the Imperial City. I was able to enter Talos Plaza once, but it crashes as soon as I tried entering the hotel there. Tried it a lot actually and it is pretty consistent in the crashing. And most of the NPC's that I encountered only had the rumors dialogue.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:18 am

0E Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.6]
0F UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp [Version 1.0.0]
10 Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp

12 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0]

Update your http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=27710
Drop the "Aging fix" and use the Bashed Patch tweak instead
Drop the Citadel Door fix; not needed.

2D Enhanced Economy.esp [Version 4.0.6]

Update. It's up to http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=25078 now!

36 DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
39 DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.3]
3C DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
3E DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]
83 DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]
86 DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]
89 Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.9]

Update through same Unofficial Oblivion Patch linked above.

55 DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
56 DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp [Version 1.0.4]

Update this is well (same way) and be sure to remove the "SSSB" one; no longer needed.

91 Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp

I have heard that http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=23783 is generally preferred.
There is also a http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=36411.
But as I don't use any (as of yet) really can't say for sure.

92 Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0]
++ Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0]
++ Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp [Version 3.0.0]
93 Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp [Version 3.0.0]

Just make sure that these are actually from version 3.0.1 of the mod (they still report 3.0.0 even when it is version 3.0.0) as version 3.0.0 has a bug.

99 Quest Award Leveling.esp

I think http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=13536 is supposed to be superior, if memory serves anyway.

C7 Bashed Patch, 0.esp
----> Delinquent MASTER: OWE&P -NW.esp
C8 OWE&P -NW.esp
C9 VeronaHouse120.esp
CA Zira's Horse Modpack - Armored Legion Horses.esp

Better sort out the load order of those last three; post them as Unknown mod files on the http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1179974-relz-boss-better-oblivion-sorting-software/ assuming that's the case

And rebuild the Bashed Patch to fix that delinquent master issue.

And "VeronaHouse120.esp"? That's not the name of the latest so get that: http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=36389

EDIT: Just noticed something. The SM refurbish plugin for SI and Knights is actually loaded before the SM esp. Would that cause any glitches? BOSS put them there.

No idea what you are talking about. There is not SM esp. Just SM esps for each of the DLC mods (including SI and Knights.).

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:05 am

Now, I know that BOSS puts Supreme Magicka before BGMagic in the loading order, but I want SM stats for my magic.

So just select SM stats for import, and dont select BGMagic stats - BGMagic will still be in game and using the import from SM Stats will make them skip over the load order because they are now included in the Bashed Patch ESP. Thats the beauty of the bashed patch, you are making a custom esp including parts from others to skip the load order. The Bashed Patch esp being last in the load order wins over all other esps with its included merges and imports.

I have not used the mods in question but that looks like a solution to that particular problem

» Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:18 pm

edit: Never mind.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:02 pm

And rebuild the Bashed Patch to fix that delinquent master issue.

No idea what you are talking about. There is not SM esp. Just SM esps for each of the DLC mods (including SI and Knights.).

The Supreme magicka esp is called A5 in the list. It's several above MidasSpell.esp. Also, that delinquent master issue is messed up. I already tried fixing it. It keeps saying that is still missing, even though it loads before the Bashed Patch.

» Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:59 pm

The Supreme magicka esp is called A5 in the list. It's several above MidasSpell.esp. Also, that delinquent master issue is messed up. I already tried fixing it. It keeps saying that is still missing, even though it loads before the Bashed Patch.

SM Plugin Refurbish has nothing to do with Supreme Magicka, they are quest delayers for the DLC's. OWE&P, I downloaded and checked, it only has Oblivion.esm as a master and seems to be fine. Did you edit it in any way? Maybe extract it from the rar file again and reinstall.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:35 am

SM Plugin Refurbish has nothing to do with Supreme Magicka, they are quest delayers for the DLC's. OWE&P, I downloaded and checked, it only has Oblivion.esm as a master and seems to be fine. Did you edit it in any way? Maybe extract it from the rar file again and reinstall.

I'll reinstall it, and thanks for the heads up on the Refurbish. I guess I just assumed SM meant it was directly related to Supreme Magicka.

I was just thinking about it, and I've narrowed down one of my major issues to the Imperial City. One of the mods that affects it is creating an issue, because what I start in IC in the Alternate Start mod, it crashes within seconds of leaving the ship. But in Anvil it is fine, with just the random and frequent crashes still.