CTD when exiting Skingrad trough the west gate : IV

» Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:20 am

As surely as summer turns to fall, the return of the (return of the return of the return of the...) CTD when exiting Skingrad trough the west gate bug has returned. I've had this bug on every load order i've had, and this is no exception. Usually it goes away after a few days, but during that time i'm unable to travel to the vicinity of the west side of Skingrad, both trough the west gate and exiting east gate and trying to circle around the town.

I think i remember some few months ago speculation that M'aiq the Liar causes CTD's near Kvatch, could this be related? Last time i saw M'aiq was few (ingame) days ago near Bravil.

Here's my current load order, though as i said i've had it on many others aswell. I think the only same mod has been MMM.

Mod load order:

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Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 0.9.9.5]02  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm03  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm04  Francesco's Optional New Creatures Add-On.esm05  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]06  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]07  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]08  Artifacts.esm  [Version 1.1]09  Better Cities Resources.esm0A  BetterMusicSystem.esm0B  Progress.esm  [Version 2.2]0C  NNWAEMaster.esm0D  CM Partners.esm0E  EyeCandy - Content.esm0F  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.6]10  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp11  DLCShiveringIsles.esp12  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]13  Better Cities .esp14  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]15  All Natural.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]16  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]17  Enhanced Water v2.0 HDMI.esp18  WindowLightingSystem.esp19  Display Stats.esp  [Version 1.0]++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.76]1A  P1DseeYouSleep.esp1B  Harvest[Containers].esp1C  Harvest[Containers] - Flat-Top Barrels Add-on.esp1D  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 4.1]1E  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 2.3]1F  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 1.0]20  DLCHorseArmor.esp21  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]++  Mart's Monster Mod - DLCHorseArmor+Slofs .esp  [Version 0.91]22  DLCOrrery.esp23  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]24  DLCVileLair.esp25  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]26  P1DseeYouSleep - DLCVileLair.esp27  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp28  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]29  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]2A  EyeCandy Compilation.esp++  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp**  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp2B  Thieves Arsenal.esp**  Armamentium female.esp2C  DLCThievesDen.esp2D  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]2E  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]2F  Francesco's More Wilderness Life.esp30  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp31  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp32  Francesco's Optional Dungeon Chest Loot.esp33  Francesco's Optional Dungeon Chest Locks.esp34  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp35  Francesco's Optional House Chest Loot.esp36  Francesco's Optional New Adventurers.esp++  Francesco's Optional Vendor Tweaks.esp37  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp38  Francesco's Optional Leveled Quests.esp39  Francesco's Optional Leveled Arena.esp3A  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]3B  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]++  Cobl Tweaks.esp  [Version 1.44]++  ArmamentariumLL.esp  [Version 1.35]++  ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp  [Version 1.35]++  ArmamentariumLLMagic.esp  [Version 1.35]3C  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]3D  Mart's Monster Mod for Fran.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3E  Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Imperial Armor.esp  [Version 3.7b3p]3F  Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]40  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]41  Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]42  Mart's Monster Mod - Durability & Damage.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]43  Mart's Monster Mod - Fran's leveled quests.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Roads.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Reavers.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Slimes.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Lanterns.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Wyvern.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Beholdens.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]44  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]45  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life No Gates.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]46  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]47  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]48  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot G&GD.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Friendlier Factions MMM+Fran.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]**  Fransfemale.esp**  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4MMM.esp49  Artifacts.esp  [Version 1.1]++  Artifacts - EE patch.esp  [Version 1.0]**  ArtifactsFemaleArmor.esp++  Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp  [Version 1.0]4A  NNWAREAyleidDungeons_Series1EV.esp  [Version 2.2]4B  NNWAEDungeons-Series2EV.esp4C  NNWARE06-RhyeliaEmeroEV.esp4D  Scribe Supplies.esp4E  The Ayleid Steps.esp  [Version 3.4]4F  VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp50  Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp51  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp52  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]53  DLCFrostcrag.esp54  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]55  Knights.esp56  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]**  EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp++  Mart's Monster Mod - Knights.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]57  ElsweyrAnequina.esp++  ElsweyrAnequina - Races HGEC-Robert.esp58  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]59  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]5A  xulTheHeath.esp5B  XulEntiusGorge.esp5C  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]5D  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]5E  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]5F  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]60  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.2]61  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3]62  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.3]63  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]64  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]65  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]66  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]67  xulRollingHills_EV.esp  [Version 1.3.2]68  xulPantherRiver.esp69  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]6A  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.0.2]6B  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.5]6C  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.0.4]6D  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]6E  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.2]6F  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp70  xulSnowdale.esp  [Version 1.0]71  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]72  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]73  Bag of Holding.esp  [Version 1.5.0]74  EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp75  Enhanced Vegetation [150%].esp76  Quest Award Leveller.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Battlehorn Castle.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp77  Disenchant.esp78  RshAlchemy.esp79  RshAlchemyRecipes.esp7A  Panzer_Kleidung_03.esp7B  StealthOverhaul.esp7C  RenGuardOverhaul.esp7D  nGCD.esp7F  nGCD Oghma Infinium.esp80  ProgressGSD.esp  [Version 2.0]81  ProgressMBSP.esp  [Version 2.0]82  ProgressSBSP.esp  [Version 1.0]83  ProgressRBSP.esp  [Version 1.0]84  ProgressArmorer.esp  [Version 1.0]++  DMC Stylish - Specialanims.esp++  Item interchange - Placement.esp  [Version 0.76]85  Atmospheric Loading Screens - No Text.esp++  EVE_KhajiitFix.esp86  DesuChan's Kawa-Khajiits.esp87  CM Partners.esp88  CM Partners Special NPCs.esp89  CM Partners NPC.esp8A  CM Partners More NPCs.esp8B  CM Partners Marker NPCs.esp8C  CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp8D  bgBalancingEVCore.esp  [Version 10.52EV-D]8E  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]8F  bgMagicBonus.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]90  bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp  [Version 1.68EV]91  bgMagicAlchemy.esp  [Version 1.57]92  bgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.esp  [Version 1.68UV]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalFangs.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalMoreEyes.esp  [Version 10]**  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, Beautification.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]93  bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp  [Version 10.51EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D1.62EV]**  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversityLAME.esp  [Version 10.5EV-D]94  bgIntegrationEV.esp  [Version 0.993]95  Better Cities Full.esp96  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp97  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp98  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp99  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp9A  Better Imperial City.esp9B  Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp9C  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2.1]9D  Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp9F  Automatic Timescale.esp  [Version 1.1.1]**  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp  [Version 1.68]A0  bgMagicLightningbolt.espA1  qazFingerSnap.esp**  Enhanced Economy - Soulgems.esp  [Version 1.0]++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]++  Black_MTong_Armor_f.espA2  RBP_Kawa_Merge.espA3  PTFranReset.espA4  Bashed Patch, 0.espA5  Streamline 3.1.esp

Edit:Alternative theory: it has something to do with Davide Surley during the Paranoia quest. IIRC ithe game has always started crashing during the last part of the Paranoia quest and worked after that, just like this time :shrug:

BTW, do you ever get the feeling you're on everyone's ignore list? :lmao:

» Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:08 pm

That particular area is known as a problem area and is one of the few areas I'm alway nervous that the game will crash.
My guess is that it may have something to do with the NPCs' AI Packages. I think the latest version of the UOP - the supplemental one - fixes a lot of NPCs AI Packages so I recommend installing that.

» Fri Jul 30, 2010 8:09 pm

04 Francesco's Optional New Creatures Add-On.esm

06 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b3p3]

2F Francesco's More Wilderness Life.esp

36 Francesco's Optional New Adventurers.esp

45 Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life No Gates.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

maybe related then again maybe not

But you should not be using Frans New Creatures Add-on

MMMforFrans already contains them all plus more.

You should choose one version of More Wilderness Life either the Frans Version or the MMM version (which is more up to date ) ..you basically have two spawn points with both of them loaded..

New Adventurers you do not need MMMforFrans includes them already has well

» Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:22 am

Whoops, noticed the replies only now :blush: Still getting crashes when trying to exit trough the gate despite Glarthir being dead for more than a month now. I do have the supplemental patch installed, but i'll remove those plugins and see what happens. Some enemy spawns have seemed a bit weird to me so maybe it'll fix those too

Edit: no use, it still crashes. I suppose i just have to keep fast traveling over the crash zone :shrug: Well, there's nothing of interest there than the Cursed Mine that i've already cleard once.