CTD when I get close to Kvatch : IV - Oblivion

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:55 am

Nevermind.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:51 am

just curious, why would it svck so much if it's Fran's fault? how is it different than all other mods?

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:15 am

Reporting in:

I've since had a chance to run all of my characters down this path at least once, and not a single one of them is able to approach Kvatch along the road from the southeast, or by approaching the same area from the opposite direction. Something about this particular area is simply broken. I can be reasonably sure this isn't due to spawn corruption from Frans since one character I used was fresh out of the sewers, fast traveled directly to Skingrad, and was unable to walk past Kvatch.

I have yet to try with modifying M'aiq out of the picture, which is going to be next, because this is just plain annoying. Walking clear out of my way north and then west around Kvatch is a pain in the ass.

Hmm...this is weird. I have about 450 mods installed and I just tried to go from Skingrad to Anvil. First time I tried the game crashed due to the GPU being overloaded (about 900 MB used on the road from Skingrad to Kvatch). Second time I renamed the Distant Lod folder and loaded from a point between S and K. Now witthout the Distant LOD the VRAM usage was cut by about 400 MB and I was able to run all the way to Anvil, following the road to the Kvatch encampment, then back to the junction and from there to Anvil without crashing and nothing appearing in the weOCPS.log
I didn't meet M'aiq, though, and the only courier I met was right outside Anvil.

My mods:

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» Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:36 pm

just curious, why would it svck so much if it's Fran's fault? how is it different than all other mods?

It is not about Frans. Although, Arthmoor happens to be supporting the MMM+Fran overhaul combination. Fran is used in many setups, alone, with FCOM, etc. It is terrible when any large, widely-used mod has this type of bug. Just drop this question, please. We are looking for solutions, not trouble...

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:02 pm

It is not about Frans. Although, Arthmoor happens to be supporting the MMM+Fran overhaul combination. Fran is used in many setups, alone, with FCOM, etc. It is terrible when any large, widely-used mod has this type of bug. Just drop this question, please. We are looking for solutions, not trouble...

Huh? It is a legitimate question. Besides Arthmoor is a Frans+TIE guy, while I'm a big scary FCOM guy who scares little girls...
Since it doesnt' crash for me, and I've not had problems in the past near Kvatch, with an FCOM setup, it suggests that it may be a Frans+TIE problem since that overhaul combo is quite rare.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:23 am

Huh? It is a legitimate question. Besides Arthmoor is a Frans+TIE guy, while I'm a big scary FCOM guy who scares little girls...
Since it doesnt' crash for me, and I've not had problems in the past near Kvatch, with an FCOM setup, it suggests that it may be a Frans+TIE problem since that overhaul combo is quite rare.

If you read my posts, I said I suffered the crash while using FCOM. This is not a Fran+TIE issue at all. Please read the earlier posts. I linked to another thread where we were discussing this issue earlier...

Edit: Yes, I am in a bad mood, and I am about to step out for a while now. This book I have been reading is really getting on my nerves.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:27 am

If you read my posts, I said I suffered the crash while using FCOM. This is not a Fran+TIE issue at all. Please read the earlier posts. I linked to another thread where we were discussing this issue earlier...

Well, then it must be something you and Arthmoor use that I don't use.
I don't use any body or house mods, not do I use Tamrielic Travelers.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:02 am

Well, then it must be something you and Arthmoor use that I don't use.
I don't use any body or house mods, not do I use Tamrielic Travelers.

Please, post your load order. I do use TT. That would stink too, but at least that would help narrow down the possibilities. Corepc would be thrilled to have another major bug to track down...

Edit: By the way, this is way outdated: http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/runoblivion/loadorders/petrusoctavianus

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:38 am

Please, post your load order. I do use TT. That would stink too, but at least that would help narrow down the possibilities. Corepc would be thrilled to have another major bug to track down...

Edit: By the way, this is way outdated: http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/runoblivion/loadorders/petrusoctavianus

My load order is further up in a post that I edited. But the LO is not quite final, though.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:24 pm

Well, then it must be something you and Arthmoor use that I don't use.
I don't use any body or house mods, not do I use Tamrielic Travelers.

I don't use any body mods either, and the only part of actual TT I have is in SI. TIE integrates those and I have them running around everywhere instead.

So I castrated M'aiq's AI. Or so I thought. I flagged him to stay at his editor location, which according to everything I see in the CS is in the eastern Nibenay area around where the Aspen Wood UL would be. He didn't stay there. He popped up on the road to Kvatch and within seconds, blam, down went the game again. So I loaded back up, and this time used his formID to move him to where I was standing, then forced him to evp and he took off the opposite way, toward his editor loc. I proceeded to run the road.

During that play session I got from Skingrad, all the way to Gottshaw Inn, then BACK through Skingrad, to Faregyl, stopping at the inn, then continuing all the way over to Imperial Bridge Inn. Killed my quest target there, did the side quest in Bramblepoint Cave for that one scholar guy, then walked clear back to Skingrad. From there, went through Weye, back to Bravil, and then over to SI so I can get some more arrows. I got all the way to New Sheoth without even so much as a hiccup. At which point I note that I can't open the damn door to get in and have to fix a bug or I'd still be playing right now

It isn't conclusive obviously but it sure looks like ol' M'aiq is to blame. Once I figure out why he disobeyed a change to his AI assignments I'll be able to tell for sure if he's to blame or not.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:27 am

I don't think I need to remind people that he isn't the only one that's tested this.

M'aiq hasn't been in my game for almost a week and I've been able to move around there with no more CTDs since Apr 30th.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:58 am

I've always had troubles between Skingrad and Anvil. I think it's a very demanding area, my game always gets the lowest FPS there and the most frequent crashes. There's also a lot of stuttering and such.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:23 am

I don't think I need to remind people that he isn't the only one that's tested this.

M'aiq hasn't been in my game for almost a week and I've been able to move around there with no more CTDs since Apr 30th.

Terra Nova, where did you put M'aiq? Did you mod him out? Console kill him? Move him to Hawkhaven?

I'm thinking of relocating him to a remote island- sort of an homage to Morrowind.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:54 pm

I don't use any body mods either, and the only part of actual TT I have is in SI. TIE integrates those and I have them running around everywhere instead.

So I castrated M'aiq's AI. Or so I thought. I flagged him to stay at his editor location, which according to everything I see in the CS is in the eastern Nibenay area around where the Aspen Wood UL would be. He didn't stay there. He popped up on the road to Kvatch and within seconds, blam, down went the game again. So I loaded back up, and this time used his formID to move him to where I was standing, then forced him to evp and he took off the opposite way, toward his editor loc. I proceeded to run the road.

During that play session I got from Skingrad, all the way to Gottshaw Inn, then BACK through Skingrad, to Faregyl, stopping at the inn, then continuing all the way over to Imperial Bridge Inn. Killed my quest target there, did the side quest in Bramblepoint Cave for that one scholar guy, then walked clear back to Skingrad. From there, went through Weye, back to Bravil, and then over to SI so I can get some more arrows. I got all the way to New Sheoth without even so much as a hiccup. At which point I note that I can't open the damn door to get in and have to fix a bug or I'd still be playing right now

It isn't conclusive obviously but it sure looks like ol' M'aiq is to blame. Once I figure out why he disobeyed a change to his AI assignments I'll be able to tell for sure if he's to blame or not.

Maybe we are finally getting somewhere, finallly...geez, I restarted so many setups after testing the Skingrad to Anvil route. Anyway, what is this SI bug you have found? Is there going to be a USIP Supplemental as well, perhaps...?

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:37 pm

The SI bug was a mesh error from something I was trying with Open Cities. It had the wrong animation names attached to it was all.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:22 am

So this might really be a TT issue...?

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:17 pm

No, my money is still on M'aiq. If TT/TIE were responsible for it then crippling M'aiq's AI wouldn't have done anything.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:52 pm

No, my money is still on M'aiq. If TT/TIE were responsible for it then crippling M'aiq's AI wouldn't have done anything.

Oh, goodie, so how do we fix him?

Edit: ...test by making a patch with the bash tag for import AI that plucks out each of his AI packages...?

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:35 pm

I simply made a plugin that strips his AI packs off and gives him one new one to stay near his editor location.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:15 am

I guess the lesson we learned today is to never trust a liar oversized cat with a funny hat and a nasty obsession for calipers. in fact, by all means give him a good ol' lobotomy as soon as he misbehaves.

edit: wait a second, calipers? frans? could this be linked to the frans caliper issue? he loves collecting those, so if he picked up buggy scripted calipers something bad could happen. or maybe I'm just imagining things here.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:00 am

Would make sense, but I don't see how he'd get ahold of them unless he went and picked a fight with someone to do it. Unless he can grab stuff like that from corpses. The easiest way to test if that's the root of the issue is to remove ONLY his AI pack that tells him to spend time looking for calipers.

For now though, I've been able to make 3 full round trips from Cheydinhal to Anvil, passing the affected area a total of 6 times, and although it stuttered like mad there even with OSR, it did not crash. If anyone else wants to take a poke at it, grab this: http://www.4shared.com/file/UjHst-2G/MaiqAIHack.html

For best results, load late. It can be merged into the bashed patch. This will confine M'aiq to within 3000 units of his editor location in the eastern forest.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:19 pm

Terra Nova, where did you put M'aiq? Did you mod him out? Console kill him? Move him to Hawkhaven?

I'm thinking of relocating him to a remote island- sort of an homage to Morrowind.

I modded him out via disable.

Anyway I'll be staying out of this topic. *is incredibly pissed*

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:22 am

Would make sense, but I don't see how he'd get ahold of them unless he went and picked a fight with someone to do it. Unless he can grab stuff like that from corpses. The easiest way to test if that's the root of the issue is to remove ONLY his AI pack that tells him to spend time looking for calipers.

For now though, I've been able to make 3 full round trips from Cheydinhal to Anvil, passing the affected area a total of 6 times, and although it stuttered like mad there even with OSR, it did not crash. If anyone else wants to take a poke at it, grab this: http://www.4shared.com/file/UjHst-2G/MaiqAIHack.html

For best results, load late. It can be merged into the bashed patch. This will confine M'aiq to within 3000 units of his editor location in the eastern forest.

Downloaded, thank you.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:56 pm

So. I realize only 8 people have downloaded the AI hack, but can any of you confirm that if you head into the wilderness area along the dirt road to Malada that problems crop back up again because Maiq is being confined in the area? It's the area of forest just west of the Mackamentain ruin.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:31 am

So. I realize only 8 people have downloaded the AI hack, but can any of you confirm that if you head into the wilderness area along the dirt road to Malada that problems crop back up again because Maiq is being confined in the area? It's the area of forest just west of the Mackamentain ruin.

I will be able to report in about a week... Hopefully, some others get back to you before me, haha.