CTD when giving away a zero value item : IV

» Thu May 19, 2011 11:30 am

Hi there. I'm having a reproducible and rather annoying CTD when trying to sell a zero value item. At first I suspected it's Enhanced Economy's fault and wanted to post the report in its thread but after disabling it (uninstalling via BAIN actually) the problem still persists. I also tried disabling Progress's mercantile levelling and double checked if I have non-LE version of Frans but nothing worked. Here's my current load order:

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.3]02  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]03  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]04  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.73]05  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]06  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]07  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]08  Progress.esm  [Version 2.2]09  FastTravelDoubleFaceFix.esp0A  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.5]0B  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp0C  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0D  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.2]0E  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp0F  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp10  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp11  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp++  Francesco's Dark Seducer Weapons Patch.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]12  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]13  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.3]14  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.3]++  All Natural - MMM Patch.esp  [Version 1.3]15  WindowLightingSystem.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.78]16  Display Stats.esp  [Version 2.0.1]17  Dynamic Map.esp  [Version 2.0]18  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.9]19  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.5]1A  DLCHorseArmor.esp1B  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]++  Mart's Monster Mod - DLCHorseArmor+Slofs .esp  [Version 0.91]1C  DLCOrrery.esp1D  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]1E  DLCVileLair.esp1F  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]20  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp21  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]22  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]**  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp23  DLCThievesDen.esp24  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]25  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]26  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.73]27  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]28  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.09]29  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB5]2A  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.33]**  OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 2.0]2B  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp  [Version 0.9.9beta2]2C  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_SpawnRatesSlightlyReduced.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Spiders.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]2D  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]2E  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]2F  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]30  Geomancy & Gem Dust OOO.esp++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.73]**  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4FCOM.esp31  Ivellon.esp  [Version 1.8]32  Kragenir's Death Quest.esp  [Version 2.1]33  KDQ - Rural Line Additions.esp34  The Ayleid Steps.esp  [Version 3.4]35  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp36  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]37  DLCFrostcrag.esp38  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]39  Knights.esp3A  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.1]**  EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp**  DLC_MOBS.esp3B  The Lost Spires.esp++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]3C  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]3D  LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp3E  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]3F  xulTheHeath.esp40  XulEntiusGorge.esp41  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]42  LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp43  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]44  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]45  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]46  KragenirsDeathQuest-LostCoast patch.esp  [Version 1.1]47  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.3]48  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3.1]49  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.3]4A  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]4B  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]4C  KragenirsDeathQuest-CloudtopMountains patch.esp  [Version 1.1]4D  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]4E  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]4F  xulRollingHills_EV.esp  [Version 1.3.3]50  KragenirsDeathQuest-RollingHills patch.esp  [Version 1.1]51  xulPantherRiver.esp52  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]53  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.1]54  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.7]55  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.1.0]56  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]57  DungeonsOfIvellon-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp58  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.2]59  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp  [Version 1.0.1]5A  xulSnowdale.esp  [Version 1.0.2]5B  OOO-Snowdale Patch.esp5C  xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp  [Version 1.12]5D  OOOCliffsofAnvilPatch.esp  [Version 1.1]5E  KragenirsDeathQuest-CliffsOfAnvil patch.esp  [Version 1.0]5F  MMMDungeons-CliffsOfAnvil patch.esp  [Version 1.0]60  xulSilverfishRiverValley.esp  [Version 1.0]61  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]62  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]63  HUD Status Bars.esp  [Version 4.2.1]64  EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp65  Enhanced Vegetation [125%].esp66  Quest Award Leveller.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Battlehorn Castle.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp67  nGCD.esp68  nGCD Oghma Infinium.esp++  nGCD Skeleton Key.esp69  ProgressMBSP.esp  [Version 2.0]6A  ProgressSBSP.esp  [Version 1.0]6B  ProgressRBSP.esp  [Version 1.0]6C  ProgressRacial.esp6D  ProgressArmorer.esp  [Version 1.0]6E  The Versatile Adventurer.esp++  Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp  [Version 0.78]++  Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag.esp  [Version 0.78]++  AMB.esp6F  bgBalancingEVCore.esp  [Version 10.52EV-D]++  EVE_KhajiitFix.esp70  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]71  bgMagicBonus.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]72  bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp  [Version 1.68EV]73  bgMagicAlchemy.esp  [Version 1.57]74  bgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.esp  [Version 1.68UV]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp  [Version 10.]75  bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp  [Version 10.51EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D1.62EV]**  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversityLAME.esp  [Version 10.5EV-D]76  bgIntegrationEV.esp  [Version 1.0]77  Silverfish&bgIntegrationPatch.esp++  Disable Tutorial Text.esp**  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp  [Version 1.68]78  bgMagicLightningbolt.esp**  FCOM_Archery.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.3]79  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

I would appreciate it if someone helped me find what's cousing it.

» Thu May 19, 2011 10:51 am

Knowing what the Item was could help?...

Also is the Item MOD added?.....after uninstalling things did you wait out the Respawn/reset? Typical is 3 days..

Hmmm...looking at LO didn't II (item Interchange) add value to things??

» Thu May 19, 2011 12:16 am

Any item with 0 value. Bones, torches, quest notes and so on. Surprisingly when I'm selling 1 torch it works but when I try to sell 2 or more it crashes. Items like collar bones seem to crash the game regardless of amount. And yes, I tried to reset game cells.

Hmmm...looking at LO didn't II (item Interchange) add value to things??

I'll give it a try and rebuild bashed patch without it.

edit: still crashes

» Wed May 18, 2011 7:54 pm

Hmmm...looking at LO didn't II (item Interchange) add value to things??

What on earth makes you think that? :rolleyes:

II doesn't "change" any properties of any items and never has.

Vac

» Thu May 19, 2011 5:34 am

If it helps, back when I had EE installed getting merchant to 0 gold by selling other stuff and then trying to sell pretty much anything (at 0 price obviously) was also causing a CTD. It seems there's something wrong with 'giving away' mechanism rather than prices themselves. The 'give away' menu shows up correctly, game crashes after that.

» Thu May 19, 2011 12:04 pm

What on earth makes you think that? :rolleyes:

II doesn't "change" any properties of any items and never has.

Vac

Sorry think it was EE...my bad...

» Thu May 19, 2011 6:34 am

Since I have received one similar report about crashing when giving away items with EE, I assume EE is the cause. Can you post your EE ini file, it may give me a hint about the cause?

» Thu May 19, 2011 5:12 am

I no longer have it installed so unless EE makes some permament changes to the game something else must be causing this. However, if it helps it was default ini without any changes.

» Wed May 18, 2011 11:07 pm

I no longer have it installed so unless EE makes some permament changes to the game something else must be causing this. However, if it helps it was default ini without any changes.

No permanent changes at all (except that prices of items gets stuck in the savegame, but that's true for all mods that changes prices through scripts). And it is interesting to hear that the CTD when giving away stuff was NOT EE's fault. It may be a direct cause of OBSE, they had big problems with some of the new trade functions added in OBSEv19, causing CTD in various situations... I thought all was fixed, but one can never be sure.

» Thu May 19, 2011 4:27 am

Scruggsy is looking into it. Have a look at the OBSE thread. Another user is reporting the same thing and it seems to be an OBSE issue.

» Wed May 18, 2011 7:41 pm

I haven't had that problem recently with OBSE 20 , (I give away Most of my Worthless junk everytime I empty my "Automatic Bags" ) I Did have vendor related crashes in a previous game, but it was certain books, and I'd allready sold the guy about 20 tons of ...

» Thu May 19, 2011 5:39 am

*raises hand* I'm one of those who had the CTD issue when giving away a 0 value item, but removing EE didn't left any problem behind. OBSE 20 runs flawlessly a bunch of plugins on my end with no problem whatsoever. I doubt this is OBSE related. I'm of no help at all, I know.

» Thu May 19, 2011 8:48 am

And strangely enough I've tossed numerous 0 value items at merchants both before and while using EE. Although I don't know if any of that's been done with OBSE 19 or 20 yet.

» Thu May 19, 2011 4:38 am

I've had issues with this as TNO knows.

But I've not had a chance for serious game play or testing this in the last few months.

The crashes I had did not occur as soon as I sold (gave) a 0 value item, but would always occur as soon as the dialogue was exited. In other words I could give away numerous amounts, but then no crash until I exited talking to the merchant.

» Thu May 19, 2011 12:57 am

Just a heads up that Display Stats was causing it. It seems to be obse related problem like AndalayBay suggested. Check the http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1184481-relz-oblivion-script-extender-obse-0020/page__pid__17818780__st__100#entry17818780.