CTDs - What‘s wrong? : IV

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:46 pm

I played oblivion for few years now so I am familiar with CTDs, and I managed to reduce them, usually they happen on area transitions, and they were pretty rare.

Then I somehow messed it up... I think I deactivated DarkUId DarN and activated it again to change something (can‘t really remember what) without overwriting any menu files (associated with Oblivion XP, supreme magicka and alchemy advanced)

Now when I start the game, selecting Load/New game results in the game crashing with my favorite "Oblivion needed to close" message (even when I deactivate all mods)

As the game ran almost flawlessly before that it is not a hardware issue, and my load order is fine because I use BOSS...

I can‘t post my load order because they are all deactivated - I‘m uninstalling the game now to reinstall... once again.... (ran out of other ideas)

Any Ideas why this happens?

EDIT: actually here is a list of mods I use, this is NOT the correct load order

Spoiler

Oblivion.esm
ScreenEffects.esm
All Natural Base.esm
Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
Cobl Main.esm
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm
Mart's Monster Mod.esm
Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm
FCOM_Convergence.esm
Armamentarium.esm
BetterMusicSystem.esm
bookplacing.esm
TantrivayliaChimer.esm
Bab.esm
Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp
Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
DLCShiveringIsles.esp
Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp
Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp
Francesco's Optional Leveled Quests-SI only.esp
Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp
FCOM_Francescos.esp
FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp
FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp
LoadingScreens.esp
LoadingScreensAddOn.esp
LoadingScreensSI.esp
Natural_Weather_HDR_with_darker_Nights_by_Max_Tael.esp
Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
All Natural - Real Lights.esp
All Natural.esp
All Natural - SI.esp
Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp
Better Bell Sounds.esp
Symphony of Violence.esp
Atmospheric Oblivion.esp
Brighter_Torches.esp
ChaseCameraMod.esp
ClocksOfCyrodiil.esp
Oblivion Collectible Cards.esp
Landmarks.esp
DLCHorseArmor.esp
DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCOrrery.esp
DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCVileLair.esp
DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCSpellTomes.esp
DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp
Bab.esp
ArmamentariumVendors.esp
FemaleArmorPack1.esp
PTArtifacts.esp
Babarized BladesCeremonialArmor.esp
Babarized ArchmageBattleArmour.esp
Imperial Horse Armor.esp
DLCThievesDen.esp
DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp
KDCircletsOOOOptimized - NPC Equip.esp
FCOM_KDCircletsOOOOptimizedNPCEquip.esp
ExnemRuneskulls.esp
FCOM_ExnemRuneskulls.esp
Cobl Si.esp
OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp
FCOM_Cobl.esp
Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
FCOM_BobsArmory.esp
Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp
FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp
Oblivion WarCry EV.esp
FCOM_WarCry.esp
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp
FCOM_Convergence.esp
FCOM_RealSwords.esp
FCOM_SaferRoads.esp
FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp
FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp
FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp
FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp
PersuasionOverhaul_OOO.esp
PersuasionOverhaul_MMM.esp
BabShop.esp
Cheydinhal Petshop.esp
ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - All the Districts - Merged.esp
ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Castles - All The Castles - Merged.esp
ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Forts.esp
Jagnot- Imperial City Library V1.3.esp
Kragenir's Death Quest.esp
KDQ - Rural Line Additions.esp
Mercenaries.esp
Oblivion Achievements CORE.esp
ScarletMonastery.esp
Tantrivaylia.esp
VHBloodlines 1.2.esp
DLCFrostcrag.esp
DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp
Knights.esp
KnightsBabFemaleArmors.esp
Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp
TOTF.esp
The Lost Spires.esp
AFK_Weye.esp
FCOM_Knights.esp
Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp
FCOM_EnhancedDaedricInvasion.esp
mythsandlegends.esp
bartholm.esp
Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp
DecoratorAssistant with OBSE v1.1.esp
PersuasionOverhaul.esp
Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp
ssjDawnDuskHotkey.esp
Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp
Quest Award Leveling SI.esp
Quest Award Leveller.esp
Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp
Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp
Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp
Alternate Start Revamped.esp
sr_retroactive_health.esp
ConduitMagic.esp
Disenchant.esp
DirenniAlchemyApparatus.esp
EnchantmentRestore.esp
EnchantmentRestore_Wells.esp
Legendary Abilities-Reflect MOJ.esp
Grandmaster of Alchemy.esp
Level_Rates_Modified_x2.esp
Cobl Races.esp
Cobl Races - Balanced.esp
No More Annoying Comments.esp
Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp
All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp
ShadowfangKeep.esp
BladeSong.esp
Expanded Hotkeys and Spell Delete V2a.esp
Oblivion Achievements CORE Version.esm
Display Stats.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp
FormID Finder4.esp
Streamline 3.1.esp
encumberancemodx10.esp
Oblivion XP.esp
SupremeMagicka.esp
SM_ShiveringIsles.esp
SM_Scrolls.esp
SM_SigilStone.esp
SM_DLCSpellTome.esp
SM_EnchantStaff.esp
SM_COBL.esp
SM_OOO.esp
SM_MMM.esp
SM_UnlockSpells.esp
RshAlchemy.esp

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 6:47 pm

UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp << Use the Bashed Patch Tweak instead.

Natural_Weather_HDR_with_darker_Nights_by_Max_Tael.esp
All Natural.esp << Don't use both of these weather mods together. Suggest getting rid of Natural_Weather.

Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp << Problematic, suggest Enhanced Vegetation

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:28 pm

What's wrong, what's wrong...
2 weather mods ran simultaneously, that's what's wrong. You must unpack Natural Weather 2.1.3, remove all textures and meshes related to weather (AFAIRemember - sky folders), remove the weather esp, keep habitat and vegetation only.
And why no esps are merged? Do you use Bashed Patch properly?

On the other hand, Natural Vegetation is not so problematic, I myself run the 200% versions and enjoy large trees at no FPS cost.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:28 pm

I‘ll do that when I reinstall but I doubt that caused the CTDs, as I sad these mods worked together, and I do use bashed patch properly, the problem is somewhere else...

Still thanks for these tips...

» Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:45 am

You could look at your save game in Wrye and see if any masters are missing.

Other than that I assume you use OBMM since you say you deactivated and activated. OBMM does not work well deactivating when you installed other mods after the mod you deactivate. Save yourself future headaches and switch to BAIN.

I would say you are missing files that base oblivion uses, probably from menus folder. My best guess.

If you are hosing the install then try to manually copy the DarnUI files, Oblivion XP, and any others that make use of the menus folders, or just install them again in the original order. A shot in the dark but what else do you have to lose?

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:38 pm

You could look at your save game in Wrye and see if any masters are missing.

Other than that I assume you use OBMM since you say you deactivated and activated. OBMM does not work well deactivating when you installed other mods after the mod you deactivate. Save yourself future headaches and switch to BAIN.

I would say you are missing files that base oblivion uses, probably from menus folder. My best guess.

If you are hosing the install then try to manually copy the DarnUI files, Oblivion XP, and any others that make use of the menus folders, or just install them again in the original order. A shot in the dark but what else do you have to lose?

Well I solved my problem and then I saw this post... you were actually right, it was the menus folder. I was looking at the Darnified UI readme and found that you should backup menus folder before installing.... however this line is not included in DarkUId Darn read me so I didnt do it, so I just tried deleting the whole menus folder (backed it up first XD) and it worked. So I just have to reinstall every mod that has menus folder in it... peace of cake...

Just thought I post it if some1 else has the same problem....

PS: I do use bain, but not for all mods since some of them are in OMOD format, and some I install manually (the small ones which I never uninstall anyway and FCOM related ones)

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 3:07 pm

Good news. I use BAIN primarily but still use OBMM for some installs, especially DarnUI and map marker overhaul. However, when possible, I use BAIN to avoid issues like you had.

If a mod comes as an omod you can extract the omod to a folder which then gives you a BAIN ready archive 95% of the time, provided there are not a bunch of choices. If you want to take the time, you can read the omod script to create a BAIN ready archive. Worth the time I think as BAIN is a MUST if you install and un-install mods or change installatin order.

Either way, glad you fixed it and good luck!