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I was just saying, if there's going to be an Elder Scrolls game in 2010, it will most likely be Elder Scrolls Online and not TES V. But I doubt it anyway.

Because they wouldn't lie to us about a release date just if they officially announced TESV. Seriously why would would Bethesda mess around with us about the release date for kicks and giggles the thing is they wouldn't . That's what you don't understand sheesh :facepalm:

gamesas said over a year ago, maybe two, they have a large enough development team to do more than one game at a time. There is no telling when Elder Scrolls V will be announced and released. It could still be this year. There is a lot of time left in 2010. That being said, I have played Oblivion to death, and just finished the main quest in Fallout 3, and am now playing all the expansions. I will be bored with a new Elder Scrolls title if it doesn't "rewrite the RPG texbooks" so to speak. Oblivion was nice, but the level scaling killed its immersion. Fallout 3 was a better game overall in my estimation, but about halfway through you can't die unless you get up for a beer and forget to pause while being surrounded by four super mutants with mini-guns.

There are enough games to play in 2010 to keep me occupied until a new, groundbreaking, blow Oblivion out of the water, Elder Scrolls game. But I wouldn't mind that game coming out in 2010.

I don't understand why so many reject 2010. We haven't even scratched the surface of this year in terms of what's going to occur. Anything can happen. The only thing that we can say for sure is that TES is definitely not being anounced or coming out in 2009.

I know what you mean. Bioware already announced that they are working on (entering pre-production of) Mass Effect 3, and ME 2 hasn't even come out yet!

The way we eagerly slurp up every word dropped from the lips of Bethesda - knowing that they are dealers in untruths - reminds me of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wwttxW5hMg&feature=related.

Early 2011 seem to me like a very possible date for TESV to be realeased. And I think it will be announced sometime during this spring, a little bit before E3, around april or mars.

Why does everyone seem to assume they won't announce at E3? Think of it, with Oblivion and fallout 3 they've become household names for nerds, the kind of people even gamers who aren't that onto them expect to see make major announcements at E3. Why wouldn't they?

No clue but waiting for June seems like the earliest they will announce a game.

Who announces at E3? I mean, I thought E3 was normally an event to show off revealed technology - not necessarily to announce one's secret project. I guess as long as no one else is announcing their big game would an announcement on Bethesda's part make sense. Otherwise, the announcement would fall with less of an impact against the fury of other competing announcements. It just seems like bad timing to me.

I am more irritated by those insisting on an E3 announcement as if that is Bethesda's only option than I am by those excluding the possibility of an E3 announcement entirely. It's certainly possible, but it isn't their usual MO and as I previously said it seems like a bad time to announce.

We reject it because Bethesda most likely has not worked on TES V much yet. It's been four years since Oblivion, and Oblivion came out four years after Morrowind. People complained Oblivion seemed rushed. I think TES V would need 5 years of development to not be rushed, based on that. Also, Fallout 3 is in the equation, unlike with previous Elder Scrolls games. Fallout 3 would have taken 2-3 years of development time from TES V, pushing TES V's release date back 2-3 years, perhaps to 2012. How can we expect TES V to be great if it doesn't even have as much development time as Oblivion? I think it's possible for TES V to be announced in late 2010, but I highly doubt it would be released in 2010.

I don't think the usual MO counts anymore, is all. Their usual MO was back when they were obscure. The people who do announce things at E3 are generally the big people, first party games or household name companies like Bethesda or Bungie.

I swear to god, two years should be enough to make an A-grade title. That should be the industry standard. Three years at most! Bioware is just pumping out awesome games non-stop, and what is Bethesda doing? By rights, TESV should come out this year. Then again, this is my last year of school, so if it did come out I wouldn't have any time to play it. I'm sure it will be released early 2011 though. It's not like they're making The Witcher or something. Five years is a ridiculously long development time, and if it took Bethesda that long I would be more worried than reassured of the games quality.

Different games take different times to make. Open world games usually take a long time.

Yeah, two years, if you want some short crappy game that you'll toss in the garbage bin when the next new insipid eyecandy comes out.

How long between Starcraft II and Starcraft I? Ten years and counting, at least. But you know it (like Diablo III) will be stellar hits and fly off the shelves like hot-cakes.

You get what you pay for. What you get out of a project is proportional to how much time and effort you put into it. There's no free lunch, you can't take short-cuts and except something fantastic.

It's like this with mods, like with any other project and large endeavor. Open world sandbox is ambitious enough, let alone attempting to actually get it right and not some tacked-on feature you can boast about on the back of the box but means absolutely nothing with regards to the gameplay.

If they just started out making a "Construction Set" for the next game and all of the models... I don't think it would take ten years.

In-between Morrowind and Oblivion was 4 years.

I doubt they'd just throw TES in the "Pending" box as soon as they started making Fallout 3... I'm sure at least some thinking went into it, I mean, if Infernal City is a bridge between the two games, they must have thought of something.

I do agree, however, that good things take time and that we should be patient if we want a good game.

Granted, I do agree with you in that 'their usual MO' is not the strongest argument. In fact, I'd even say that it's a terrible reason that Bethesda could cite for not announcing at E3. However, I honestly can't think of any big games that have ever been announced at E3. Showing off the progress of a huge game, previously announced - not that's a different matter entirely. Sure, there have been games announced at E3, but none I can think of that amounted to much. :shrug:

Plenty of big games have been announced! Just last year there was Halo: Reach, the latest Final Fantasy game, and more I can't remember.

Were they actually announced, or revealed? Meh...shows what I know!

I'm thinking that it will be in 2012 (I hope not) because acoriding to alot of rumors, that's when 8th generation consoles will be released. I would rather have the next elder scrolls game fresh off a new console, rather then what we've been playing since 2005. I just hope I'm wrong.

I would also love to see TESV be a launch game for the next generation of consoles. I've been hearing 2013 for that leap. With Natal coming out this year, it seems Microsoft thinks there is plenty of life left. Could Bethesda be waiting to announce TESV with the announcement of the next gen console? When would that be? 2012? FIVE years of developement?

As long as the graphics improve slightly I'll be happy. I don't really care if the next game makes a graphical improvement of leaps and bounds. Improved gameplay, new settings, more lore, and more quests are all I want. Graphics take a back seat for me at this point.

Having said that, I have a really hard time seeing TESV being released with the next generation of consoles unless that happens to be within the next year or so.

what like fallout3?


Unlikely. TES5 will probably be for current systems.

Why is everyone talking like it takes 4-5 years for bethesda to dev a game these days. It doesn't!

As the dev team is quite large now, I don't think late this year or first quarter 2011 is much of a stretch at all. It is very plausible.

oblivion - first quarter 2006
shivering isles- first quarter 2007 (it was said by Todd that most of the dev team was working on this iirc)
Fallout 3- summer 2008

Do the math.

I'd say it took like a good 2 years for fallout3. mainly because the tool kit and dev team were well oiled at this point. and no major overhaul of the engine was needed like MW-Ob.

they've been at improving the engine, as they did for fallout, for a solid year now.

I am certain they are well on their way by now

I understand what you are saying, but since they have already been pre-producing (I think its a word) TES 5 for 2 years, they had didn't just start working on it when Fallout 3 finished. So if they work full heatedly on it for two years after Fallout three that will make it four years of production in total, even if part of it was with only a smaller portion of a team. And about the whole Starcraft thing, they didn't necessarily work on it for ten years, considering they had Warcraft 3, WOW, the expansions, and Starcraft Ghost which never came out.


Agreed.

As you said, both of them, also Mario Galaxy 2 and the next Zelda (although no information was give, just the sole concept art). There were a few more that looked cool but not in my particular series' intrest.

as for dev time, open-world games have to take longer. Think, a linear or mission-based game only needs to be debugged along certain missions. A sandbox game needs to be debugged for even longer, and that is JUST post-production. Then there's story, a game with so many factions and side missions along with the main quest needs a ton of writing, acting, coding, etc. Far more than any other genre. Of course, then there's pre-production. If what Todd said is true, and they want to be more original and bring back the cultural feel of Morrowind then even pre-production would take longer because they need to brainstorm and do it hard.

It's gonna take a long time, but I believe it'll be worth the wait.

Am I the only one who sees a connection between the answer to the Test your Knowledge question posted on the Beth Blog and the speculated location for TES V? Or am I just grasping at staws here...or maybe I have the wrong answer... :shrug: