Cumulative Speculation related to TES V #17 : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Mon Dec 07, 2009 2:11 pm

Can we please make this clear: Bethesda Game Studios is NOT making an MMO. This was clearly stated by Pete Hines in the blog post about the continuation of Elder Scrolls.

They are not making it, but it may affect the release date of TES V. Why would there be an Elder Scrolls MMO and a main Elder Scrolls game come out at the same time(within a year or two of each other). This will affect TES V in some way. Also, many fans just see an Elder Scrolls MMO as an abomination.

I posted this in another thread earlier. I was joking a bit with it, but it actually does seem to make a little sense.:

It all makes sense now. The end of the reign of the Septims did mean something was about to change. TES V will be a battlefield, an MMO battlefield. All of it makes sense.

It's not actually going to be TES V, but the lore changes make some sense when an MMO is in the equation.

» Mon Dec 07, 2009 6:07 pm

But that doesn't mean they won't release TESV later because of the MMO. It actually gives them an excuse to do so.

They are not making it, but it may affect the release date of TES V. Why would there be an Elder Scrolls MMO and a main Elder Scrolls game come out at the same time(within a year or two of each other). This will affect TES V in some way. Also, many fans just see an Elder Scrolls MMO as an abomination.

No, they don't, Bethesda Softworks has id games to publish. Bethesda Game Studios is done with Fallout 3. They're making their next game right now. Zenimax Online is making an MMO. The MMO can come out in, say, 2010, and then TESV can come out in 2011. Even taking the MMO out of the picture, TESV will come out in 2011, because it's only been in development since October 2008, and Bethesda games take 3-4 years to make. The MMO and TESV will not interfere with each other if they come out a year apart, because one game is an MMO, and the other is a single player RPG, and those attract different gamers. Saying they will "compete" with each other is like saying Fallout 3 is competing with Oblivion. The profits of both games are going to the same exact company, so they are not competing, and neither will the MMO and TESV.

Besides, if "many" TES fans think the MMO is an abomination, then we don't have to worry about it interfering with sales if "many" TES fans wont buy it, right seti?

» Mon Dec 07, 2009 8:18 pm

The MMO and TESV will not interfere with each other if they come out a year apart, because one game is an MMO, and the other is a single player RPG, and those attract different gamers.

Difficult to see. Always in motion is the gaming industry.

Besides, Bethesda may use the MMO as an excuse to work on something else, like new IP, and put off TESV because all the TES fans will be playing the MMO. What if the game they are working on isn't TESV? What if they let the Skyrim trademark expire? What if it is new IP? :ahhh:

Which means, no TESV for long time.

» Mon Dec 07, 2009 6:11 pm

And here I was thinking that an MMO released prior to a single player game would introduce a whole new group of people to the Elder Scrolls universe and potentially even -increase- sales of the single player game. . .

But then, I guess people only own/play one video game at a time, am I right?

Edit: Oh, and I'm not sure where people get off saying that WoW wa the end of the Warcraft franchise. . . I mean, Blizz has eplictly stated their interest in another RTS, they release books all the time, they're working on a movie. WoW certainly isn't the end.

» Mon Dec 07, 2009 5:27 pm

And here I was thinking that an MMO released prior to a single player game would introduce a whole new group of people to the Elder Scrolls universe and potentially even -increase- sales of the single player game. . .

And give them an excuse to put off TESV till azura knows when...

» Mon Dec 07, 2009 3:31 pm

Difficult to see. Always in motion is the gaming industry.

Besides, Bethesda may use the MMO as an excuse to work on something else, like new IP, and put off TESV because all the TES fans will be playing the MMO. What if the game they are working on isn't TESV? What if they let the Skyrim trademark expire? What if it is new IP? :ahhh:

Which means, no TESV for long time.

Baseless speculation really.

» Mon Dec 07, 2009 6:07 pm

And give them an excuse to put off TESV till azura knows when...

Warcraft 4, where art thou?

» Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:37 pm

Baseless speculation really.

Hence, the title of this thread.

But it is a very real possibility that they could be working on new IP and leave the TES MMO to tide off the TES fans. Somebody wrote they have let trademarks expire in the past but I can't find the post.

Not something I would be looking forward to, but a possible outcome.

Warcraft 4, where art thou?

Exactly... :sad:

» Mon Dec 07, 2009 6:06 pm

Hence, the title of this thread.

But it is a very real possibility that they could be working on new IP and leave the TES MMO to tide off the TES fans. Somebody wrote they have let trademarks expire in the past but I can't find the post.

Not something I would be looking forward to, but a possible outcome.

Exactly... :sad:

They let the Oblivion trademark expire once, but they still used it.

But ok, here's some more baseless speculation. Considering Zenimax is the one that owns the trademark, Skyrim could be the place the MMO is set in. And the new game Bethesda is working on can be one of the names that Zenimax trademarked the name of but never used.

You see, I can fear monger too.

» Mon Dec 07, 2009 6:38 pm

oh ye of little faith :shakehead:

Blizard is the maker/publisher of both WoW and the RTS Warcraft games. Since WoW is making them oodles of money, they have less insentive to make a single player sequel. Bethesda, on the other hand, won't be getting full revenues from the MMO. Neither will the release of an MMO compete with the release of a single player game. Hence, it is quite illogical to assume that Beth is simply dropping development of their most popular franchise and giving all their potential profits to Zeni-O.

Furthermore, assuming it is such ignores all the evidence we have towards the development of a TES5.

hey SJML, you pleasant baby-blueness means you have something to offer this conversation

» Mon Dec 07, 2009 1:17 pm

They let the Oblivion trademark expire once, but they still used it.

But ok, here's some more baseless speculation. Considering Zenimax is the one that owns the trademark, Skyrim could be the place the MMO is set in. And the new game Bethesda is working on can be one of the names that Zenimax trademarked the name of but never used.

You see, I can fear monger too.

Now thats the spirit! :goodjob:

But by azura by azura by azura, I hope not. :cold:

Now its about time the devs jumped in and gave us our pacifier (an announcement). :hubbahubba:

» Mon Dec 07, 2009 4:06 pm

Now its about time the devs jumped in and gave us our pacifier (an announcement). :hubbahubba:

are you kidding? once anything is announced it will be ten times worse. everyone will be complaining about how each little thing is wrong, about how the game is being dumbed down, and how they should totally use suggestion XYZ from that one thread. speculation will run rampant, and each little bit of news will cause a torrent of "omg beth is doing it wrong" and a river of nerd-drool from the opposing party. i was there for oblivion, i was there for FO3. it may be exciting, but it aint pretty.

» Mon Dec 07, 2009 4:09 pm

are you kidding? once anything is announced it will be ten times worse. everyone will be complaining about how each little thing is wrong, about how the game is being dumbed down, and how they should totally use suggestion XYZ from that one thread. speculation will run rampant, and each little bit of news will cause a torrent of "omg beth is doing it wrong" and a river of nerd-drool from the opposing party. i was there for oblivion, i was there for FO3. it may be exciting, but it aint pretty.

Maybe...

But it would be nice to know for sure if they're making TESV or new IP. But the chance of them just announcing it is low, because as Todd (I think, or was it Pete?) said they like to have "something cool" to show. But just a little teaser (like MW2) and an announcement would be nice, just to know for sure.

» Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:51 am

are you kidding? once anything is announced it will be ten times worse. everyone will be complaining about how each little thing is wrong, about how they chose the wrong province, how they should totally use suggestion XYZ from that one thread...

Hell, people already [censored] about how they potentially chose the wrong province (Skyrim), and how the game will potentially be horrible because they potentially set the game there. It will be a madhouse when the game is actually announced.

Though I'm still working on the ridiculous complaint I'll make when the first picture comes out. Possibly "The color of that tree is too light!," or, "That snow in the middle of town should have been shoveled already! Totally unrealistic!"

» Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:33 pm

They should do an announcement that reads, "We are (still) working on TES:V, that is all."

No info, nothing to speculate with, just word that it is happening.

» Mon Dec 07, 2009 3:21 pm

They should do an announcement that reads, "We are (still) working on TES:V, that is all."

No info, nothing to speculate with, just word that it is happening.

Then we could all breathe a sigh of relief... for a little while.

But I doubt they will do that.

» Mon Dec 07, 2009 11:38 am

No, they don't, Bethesda Softworks has id games to publish. Bethesda Game Studios is done with Fallout 3. They're making their next game right now. Zenimax Online is making an MMO. The MMO can come out in, say, 2010, and then TESV can come out in 2011. Even taking the MMO out of the picture, TESV will come out in 2011, because it's only been in development since October 2008, and Bethesda games take 3-4 years to make. The MMO and TESV will not interfere with each other if they come out a year apart, because one game is an MMO, and the other is a single player RPG, and those attract different gamers. Saying they will "compete" with each other is like saying Fallout 3 is competing with Oblivion. The profits of both games are going to the same exact company, so they are not competing, and neither will the MMO and TESV.

very well put!

Difficult to see. Always in motion is the gaming industry.

Besides, Bethesda may use the MMO as an excuse to work on something else, like new IP, and put off TESV because all the TES fans will be playing the MMO. What if the game they are working on isn't TESV? What if they let the Skyrim trademark expire? What if it is new IP? :ahhh:

Which means, no TESV for long time.

this would blow...hugely blow...cus ive resorted back to playing MW to tide me over till TES5, and i dont want to play oblivion again for another 3 yrs...

oh ye of little faith :shakehead:

Blizard is the maker/publisher of both WoW and the RTS Warcraft games. Since WoW is making them oodles of money, they have less insentive to make a single player sequel. Bethesda, on the other hand, won't be getting full revenues from the MMO. Neither will the release of an MMO compete with the release of a single player game. Hence, it is quite illogical to assume that Beth is simply dropping development of their most popular franchise and giving all their potential profits to Zeni-O.

Furthermore, assuming it is such ignores all the evidence we have towards the development of a TES5.

hey SJML, you pleasant baby-blueness means you have something to offer this conversation

whats this evidence??

» Tue Dec 08, 2009 1:26 am

Hell, people already [censored] about how they potentially chose the wrong province (Skyrim), and how the game will potentially be horrible because they potentially set the game there. It will be a madhouse when the game is actually announced.

Though I'm still working on the ridiculous complaint I'll make when the first picture comes out. Possibly "The color of that tree is too light!," or, "That snow in the middle of town should have been shoveled already! Totally unrealistic!"

hahahhahahaha thats so awsome!!

» Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:32 pm

From my perspective, it makes sense now. The Skyrim trademark that has been extended for months and months now, could be for the MMO, not TESV. That would explain why they apparently have until June or July to announce TESV without filing or extending it, when TESV is not far enough in development. This also means that it is possible that Bethesda's next game is a new ip, although I still think it will TESV. Naturally, though, Skyrim could still be for TES V.

» Mon Dec 07, 2009 8:19 pm

Just please no MMO they svck, if you want to make an MMO do it with a new IP and don't ruin one I love.

» Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:08 pm

Eh, the only hope I have for a TES MMO is the ability to visit all the provinces. I really want to go back to Morrowind and explore the cities I didn't get to see in the mainland. Like Necrom and Narsis.

» Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:26 pm

Though I'm still working on the ridiculous complaint I'll make when the first picture comes out. Possibly "The color of that tree is too light!," or, "That snow in the middle of town should have been shoveled already! Totally unrealistic!"

*looks fondly at sig below* :whistle:

» Mon Dec 07, 2009 4:34 pm

But ok, here's some more baseless speculation. Considering Zenimax is the one that owns the trademark, Skyrim could be the place the MMO is set in. And the new game Bethesda is working on can be one of the names that Zenimax trademarked the name of but never used.

You see, I can fear monger too.

How did I miss that? My post was pointless then.

» Mon Dec 07, 2009 2:19 pm

No, they don't, Bethesda Softworks has id games to publish. Bethesda Game Studios is done with Fallout 3. They're making their next game right now. Zenimax Online is making an MMO. The MMO can come out in, say, 2010, and then TESV can come out in 2011. Even taking the MMO out of the picture, TESV will come out in 2011, because it's only been in development since October 2008, and Bethesda games take 3-4 years to make. The MMO and TESV will not interfere with each other if they come out a year apart, because one game is an MMO, and the other is a single player RPG, and those attract different gamers. Saying they will "compete" with each other is like saying Fallout 3 is competing with Oblivion. The profits of both games are going to the same exact company, so they are not competing, and neither will the MMO and TESV.

so are you saying that with TESV and a MMO there would be no product cannibalization? Hard to believe.

» Mon Dec 07, 2009 11:21 am

so are you saying that with TESV and a MMO there would be no product cannibalization? Hard to believe.

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Bethesda probably isn't going to release the MMO and TESV until after a year the first one comes out. As I said, a year is a very long time in the minds of gamers. TESV wont compete with the MMO if they're spaced apart appropriately. If they were both released, say, a month apart, then that'd be a problem, but Bethesda isn't stupid like that, they'll wait a while. And besides, an MMO attracts different gamers than a single player RPG does.

And before people start saying they'll delay TESV for the MMO, don't. Before this news, we knew that TESV was likely going to be released in 2011 or 2012, as they only started really working on it in late 2008. The MMO was supposed to be revealed in 2009, but was delayed. I'm fairly certain it will be released in 2010, so it wont delay TESV at all.